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Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 6:05:19 PM

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What do you think about the current laws and regulations around smoking bans in public spaces, tobacco advertising, health warnings and limitations to merchandising in retail stores?

Depending on where you live, the laws will be different...

Do you think these laws are too severe or too lenient?

Discuss... icon_smile

LadyX
Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 7:11:05 PM

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Well, thanks to you, DD- here's where I out myself as a smoker. LOL

Yes, I know it's terrible for me, and yes, I know I need to quit someday- and I fully intend to! But while I still smoke, I'll give you my experience with the laws.

Here in Dallas, you can't smoke in restaurants, bars, pool halls, dance clubs, or anywhere else that you might go at night. It doesn't cramp my flow for two reasons- 1) I'm not a chain smoker. I don't need to light up ever 20 minutes, so it doesn't bother me to wait a while, and then go outside. 2) When you go outside with the other smokers, it's like a little society of its own. It gives me time to gab with others about whats going on, to commiserate, or to just give myself a 'breather' from whatever's going on inside. When I'm working, I take breaks with the other girls and we can recap what's going on where nobody else can hear us.

I definitely think second-hand smoke is no joke, and I do get dirty looks when I'm walking down the street with a cigarette- which I understand. That's where things are at least more 'decent' here than in California where I'm from. In California, you can't smoke anywhere in public, outdoors or indoors. Some people do anyway, and everyone looks at them like they're igniting a dirty bomb or something. California is very hardline in general on things like this, compared to Texas.

I think eventually, they'll be outlawed, and while I hope that never happens, it's hard to argue that they do anything but kill people....but it still comes back to: that first drag of the day. That calming cigarette after I just got really bad news or am going through a really stressful time. The after-sex cigarette! I can think of others too, and that plus the social aspects are what make me reluctant to go hard-core and just quit. Society is slowly forcing smokers' hands, and health is on their side.
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Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 7:26:14 PM

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I'd be happy if they just reduced the taxes on cigs...I can understand the not smoking in public places...won't argue with that one...
Like LadyX pointed out, smokers have become a "little society of it's own" and the so-called smoking areas in some companies are great gossip hubs as well as other sources of info...reminds me of a job I had in 2006...I was a contractor and get not get any of the info I needed from the people around me because a lot of people are unfriendly to contract employees because of fear they're going to take over their jobs or something...
I was able to get all the info I needed hanging out in the "smoking areas"...actually amazed my boss...


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Rembacher
Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 7:28:59 PM

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LadyX wrote:
Well, thanks to you, DD- here's where I out myself as a smoker. LOL

Yes, I know it's terrible for me, and yes, I know I need to quit someday- and I fully intend to! But while I still smoke, I'll give you my experience with the laws.

Here in Dallas, you can't smoke in restaurants, bars, pool halls, dance clubs, or anywhere else that you might go at night. It doesn't cramp my flow for two reasons- 1) I'm not a chain smoker. I don't need to light up ever 20 minutes, so it doesn't bother me to wait a while, and then go outside. 2) When you go outside with the other smokers, it's like a little society of its own. It gives me time to gab with others about whats going on, to commiserate, or to just give myself a 'breather' from whatever's going on inside. When I'm working, I take breaks with the other girls and we can recap what's going on where nobody else can hear us.

I definitely think second-hand smoke is no joke, and I do get dirty looks when I'm walking down the street with a cigarette- which I understand. That's where things are at least more 'decent' here than in California where I'm from. In California, you can't smoke anywhere in public, outdoors or indoors. Some people do anyway, and everyone looks at them like they're igniting a dirty bomb or something. California is very hardline in general on things like this, compared to Texas.

I think eventually, they'll be outlawed, and while I hope that never happens, it's hard to argue that they do anything but kill people....but it still comes back to: that first drag of the day. That calming cigarette after I just got really bad news or am going through a really stressful time. The after-sex cigarette! I can think of others too, and that plus the social aspects are what make me reluctant to go hard-core and just quit. Society is slowly forcing smokers' hands, and health is on their side.


Wow. Great post! While I've never been a smoker, I have from time to time went out with the smokers because I do enjoy the social element of smokers standing around talking. I've even heard of studies that showed smokers tend to gain promotions quicker than non-smokers because of that social/networking aspect.

I do agree with rules to ban smoking from public buildings, but I find it hard to justify banning smoking outdoors. A lot of places around here ban smoking right in front of entrances, which makes sense, but as long as non-smokers have the ability to avoid the second-hand smoke outdoors, then I think it should still be allowed.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:02:20 PM

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LadyX wrote:
Well, thanks to you, DD- here's where I out myself as a smoker. LOL


It's ok, LadyX, we all have our dirty secrets when it comes to this topic. While I have never smoked a cigarette in my life, I actually worked as a promo girl for a large well known Tobacco company that I won't mention here, during my first year at University to make some extra cash. What that meant is that I'd have evening gigs where I dressed in a rather slutty branded outfit and pimp the joys of tobacco at various clubs and bars for special events... which further translated meant... flirt with guys and convince them to buy packs of cigarettes... which they could then go to smoke outside, of course... LOL. I did it because it was fast money and I was a student, but I agree there has always been this stigma about smoking. Sometimes it seems even more "taboo" than recreational drug use in certain circles!

I, however, really dislike second-hand smoke and believe it does have damaging health effects so I applaud the laws to keep it out of indoor venues and covered patios (in Canada anyway). I have heard from some restaurant and bar owners that they've suffered financial losses after the laws went into effect because smokers are no longer willing to hang out at pool halls, casinos and pubs without being able to smoke, so they tend to stay home, or leave early. But the effects it has on hospitality workers that have to inhale all that second-hand smoke as part of their jobs is not fair.

Also in Canada, the retail market has gone dark... which means when you go into a convenience store, you cannot see the product displayed behind the cashier. You have to explicitly ask for the specific brand you want and they get it for you from behind a covering. This was intended to decrease sales to younger kids, with the thinking "out of sight, out of mind." Some have argued that it has the opposite effect as young kids tend to want things that are considered more "taboo" and "illicit" anyway.

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Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:25:33 PM

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I have to say though I don't go out to eat a lot I always HATED having to smell cigarette smoke from the guy in the next booth behind me or even across the room in the "smoking section" I always laughed at that I mean what was there an invisible barrier between areas? I also am thankful they have banned smokes in places like that. Hey I for one have nothin against you smoking you wanna do it your choice I just choose not to be in same area if I can help it.
rxtales
Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:48:28 PM

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I quit smoking about week ago, but let's see how long it will last this time. I had stopped before I started traveling, but when I got to Central America, I started again. Cigarettes were ridiculously cheap and everyone smokes, so you're not a social outcast when you do. I smoked a lot when I was in Central and South America for this reason. When I got to Australia, cigarettes were really expensive and you couldn't smoke indoors. On my budget, I had to quit for the couple of weeks when I was there. They weren't much cheaper in Singapore so I didn't smoke there either. When I got to Malaysia I started again, because they are cheap and everyone smokes them.

I know when I go back to England for a few weeks in September, I will probably stop. Both because of the expense and because of the smoking ban. I don't want to stand outside in the cold when all of my non-smoker friends are inside chatting. I never really found that there was a social gathering outside of pubs and restaurants like Ladyx said. It makes me feel more of an outcast when I am the only one in my group to go outside to smoke. It seems really unsociable.

I don't disagree with smoking bans. I don't mind cigarette smoke, but for those who don't smoke I understand how unpleasant it is to sit in a restaurant eating lunch and having your eyes burn with all of the cigarette smoke. However, I still like to have a fag when I am in a pub drinking, or a night club.

As for smoking warnings on cigarette packs, I don't have a problem with them. I just don't like when they put photographs on them. Looking at bad teath and infectious limbs, does put me off smoking a little. So I guess it does it's job. It just doesn't put me off enough to want to stop smoking. However, the miscarried feotus' are a little upsetting, but don't make me stop smoking. I am not pregnant, and neither is the male smoker next to me, and I haven't been smoking around pregnant women.

I definitely think smoking shouldn't be advertised. You can't do that in the UK. We all know smoking isn't healthy, there is no need to encourage. The same could go for alcohol, chocolate and fast food I guess.

I am in two minds about the taxes on cigarettes. As a smoker, I would like them to be lower, but it does make me smoke less when I am in countries that have a high tax on cigarettes. It's a good way to make money, but I don't necesarilly understand it for other reasons. Sure they are unhealthy, but so are plenty of other things.
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Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:21:04 PM

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I am allergic to cigarette smoke so I actually like the laws. It isn't a deathly serious allergy, it just causes hay fever like symptoms; runny nose and itchy eyes. Occasionally the smell will even cause me to vomit. Not something I particularly enjoy. Someone's choice to smoke can seriously inhibit my ability to breathe. I can smell someone light up a cigarette from a rather far distance. Some of my friends have even commented on how sensitive I am to the smell. Campfires have a similar effect on me but not nearly as intense. I usually just have to wipe the crusties out of my eyes in the morning.

Considerate smokers don't bother me at all. It is the inconsiderate smokers who cause me the most grief. Those who smoke and expect everyone to tolerate it no matter the situation. The smokers who are mindful of those nearby usually end up with a big thank you from me.

I can understand why smokers would be upset about the laws. If a law passed outlawing the drinking of Diet Coke anywhere indoors or in any public location I'm sure I would be rather peeved. Then I would have to say things like, "I'm sorry, does my Diet Coke bother you? I could go drink my Diet Coke over there if you would like." So I understand smokers' frustration, but it has made my life a little more pleasant.

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DamonX
Posted: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:33:10 PM

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I remember the time when smoking was allowed in bars and clubs. I didn't think anything of it at the time because it seemed like the status quo. Coming home with your clothes smelling like smoke was commonplace. It then became law, in BC that cmoking be prohibited in bars. I didn't realize how much of a difference it made though, until I went to another province that, at the time, still allowed smoking. I had to leave the bar constantly because my eyes were burning from the smoke.

Where I live, the bars usually have a smoking room or area that is open to the sky. Fine by me. I even spend quite a bit of time in there, accompanying friends that feel the need to smoke every 30 mins.

But in public...I'm all for the strictest bans. I think cigarettes are a bane on society, and everything should be done to eradicate them. It is an industry that preys on the addiction of its consumers without offering any benefit at all. Hey, at least other drugs makes you high!

I know that many smokers get terribly defensive, but they generally don't realize how uncomfortable it is for non-smokers. When I walk out of a building into a cloud of noxious tobacco fumes, it makes me gag. (Cause we all know that most smokers don't follow those 15m regulations). And smokers tend to congregate outside doorways.

And yes, the second hand smoke thing is an issue. Every family holliday for me leads to a huge battle as the smokers are segregated from the nonsmokers (especially the young kids) making for a tense situation to say the least. My gandpa died from lung cancer, which in itself isn't really the tragedy since he chose to smoke for his entire life, (plus he was pretty much the worst person on the face of the earth.) but when it affects other people, that's where I draw the line.

I don't blame tobacco companies. They're just trying to make a buck. Its a person's choice when they put that cig to their lips. It pisses me off when people try to sue big tobacco and claim that "they didn't know it was bad for them."

If you want to smoke, then go ahead. The taxes made on your cigarettes go to help fun our healthcare system. Just don't get get upset when other people don't want to breath the same stuff.

I say make the bans as strict as possible. And tax the hell out of it. I'm not sure if putting pictures of dead fetuses on packages will actually make a difference though.
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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:21:40 AM

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Well, talk about dredging up my sordid past.

I started smoking at age 14 just to look 'grown up'. As I grew up I hated the decision. I was never a heavy smoker and always disliked it when a club or restaurant was so smoke-filled that it hurt my eyes. I half-heartedly tried quitting, however, I think social pressures (the reverse of today's) and my job at the time precluded any success.

Then, one day, a couple of months or so before my wedding, I just decided to stop. Cold turkey. It was not easy (made even less so by my fiancee continued puffing). That was 21 years ago, and since that day I have been inconsiderate and down-right rude (at times) to my former social smoking buddies. I just cannot abide the smell of smoke or of a filthy ashtray any longer and have welcomed the draconian anti-smoking laws.

Where I live now smoking is banned in all public building, including bars & restaurants, however, 'smoking dens' have formed and various street corners/alleys have been taken over by our latest social pariahs so that we can all still get our dose of second-hand smoke.

So, in answer to the original question, and, despite my admiration of Ladyx, in the spirit of my ever continuing hypocrisy, I do not think the laws go far enough.

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Guest
Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:06:04 AM

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I love the laws! and i hate when people stand outside the door to whatever building they came out of and smoke so that i have to walk thru it gagging.

frankly id love to see cigarettes outlawed. it amazes me that we so freely partake in a drug that is in the same drug class as heroine, and that is just as addictive. how about we switch it? turn all the tobacco crops into marijuana crops. that way we can all smoke, not be addicted and maybe be a little nicer to each other ;)

the potato chip industry will BOOM! hahahaa!
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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:30:39 AM

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LittleMissBitch wrote:
I
frankly id love to see cigarettes outlawed. it amazes me that we so freely partake in a drug that is in the same drug class as heroine, and that is just as addictive. how about we switch it? turn all the tobacco crops into marijuana crops. that way we can all smoke, not be addicted and maybe be a little nicer to each other ;)

the potato chip industry will BOOM! hahahaa!


Here you go LMB!
I agree... opinions often differ when it comes to marijuana. I would love it if they were sold pre-packaged. I'm pathetic at rolling joints... happy8




LadyX
Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:53:22 AM

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LittleMissBitch wrote:
how about we switch it? turn all the tobacco crops into marijuana crops. that way we can all smoke, not be addicted and maybe be a little nicer to each other ;)

the potato chip industry will BOOM! hahahaa!


IDEA OF THE YEAR!

I would quit tobacco cold-ass turkey if this happened!

One other thought- I sometimes think/realize that smoking is hurting my bottom line, and I don't just mean the money I pay for cigarettes. Maybe LMB has my solution- just smoke more weed.

This is my new quit-smoking plan- whenever I put it into effect (but not yet!)- I'll roll spliffs until I wean myself off of tobacco. My guess is that you all will know when I'm trying to quit.happy8
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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:44:13 AM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
LittleMissBitch wrote:
I
frankly id love to see cigarettes outlawed. it amazes me that we so freely partake in a drug that is in the same drug class as heroine, and that is just as addictive. how about we switch it? turn all the tobacco crops into marijuana crops. that way we can all smoke, not be addicted and maybe be a little nicer to each other ;)

the potato chip industry will BOOM! hahahaa!


Here you go LMB!
I agree... opinions often differ when it comes to marijuana. I would love it if they were sold pre-packaged. I'm pathetic at rolling joints... happy8





lmao doll! wouldnt it be great ;)
WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:09:32 AM

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I have smoked, off and on since 1978. I managed to quit smoking between 1983 and 1989 and again between 1996 and 1999, most recently I quit for 8 months in 2008.

I smoke, apparently because I like it, first...then I become addicted to the nicotine. It's a potent and very addictive drug. It's also a key ingredient in some pesticides. I won't be litigating any outfit when I start to develop symptoms of lung cancer. I have invited this into my own body willingly.

I also refrain from infecting anyone else with my second hand smoke.

But I find it humorous that those of us who don't smoke cigarettes, think nothing of firing up the internal combustion motors of the vehicles we operate, which then spew out tons more noxious fumes for a 30 mile trip to the beach or mountains, than a year of my smoking, produces.

So, before you rant against us smokers for us polluting the air you breathe, think about that the next time you turn the ignition key to your vehicle or pull the starter cord to your weed eater, chainsaw, leaf blower or you operate anything else which creates a stew that poisons you, your loved ones - and me.

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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:30:52 PM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
I have smoked, off and on since 1978. I managed to quit smoking between 1983 and 1989 and again between 1996 and 1999, most recently I quit for 8 months in 2008.

I smoke, apparently because I like it, first...then I become addicted to the nicotine. It's a potent and very addictive drug. It's also a key ingredient in some pesticides. I won't be litigating any outfit when I start to develop symptoms of lung cancer. I have invited this into my own body willingly.

I also refrain from infecting anyone else with my second hand smoke.

But I find it humorous that those of us who don't smoke cigarettes, think nothing of firing up the internal combustion motors of the vehicles we operate, which then spew out tons more noxious fumes for a 30 mile trip to the beach or mountains, than a year of my smoking, produces.

So, before you rant against us smokers for us polluting the air you breathe, think about that the next time you turn the ignition key to your vehicle or pull the starter cord to your weed eater, chainsaw, leaf blower or you operate anything else which creates a stew that poisons you, your loved ones - and me.


Bravo WMM...

I am a on and off smoker and when I have giving up in the past, it wasn't smoke that made me gasp for air in public places.... it was exhaust fumes, over powering perfume, bad BO, onion and garlic breath that oozed out off every pore, people that reek of alcohol or marijuana (I have been guilty of this in the past), people burping and farting in shopping centers They may not affect ones health as second hand smoking does, but they sure made me sick...

I do agree with the current laws in Australia that smoking is banned in public buildings and pubs and restaurants.... and also a newly placed one where you cannot smoke in a private vehicle with a child under the age of 16... but to ban smoking completely in all public areas is an overkill and also discriminative.

Now, I am off to have some chest x-rays and have a lung scan done evil4 .... See you all hopefully *cough cough* soon
MrNudiePants
Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:44:46 PM

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When I was a smoker, I was just under the assumption that people who complained about the smoke were whiny little bitches. After all, not only was I around the "second-hand smoke", I was taking the shit in FIRST-HAND, and it wasn't making ME cough and gag was it? And as far as smoking being BAD for you... honestly, I started smoking when I was 15; it wasn't hurting my ability to carry on my daily activities any. I worked, I played, I drank, and partied, and fucked myself silly... I figured, "What's the big deal?"

When I started training in the martial arts, I found out that yes, smoking was indeed hurting me - at least it was hurting my ability to perform at the level I wanted to perform at. It took a lot of serious effort to quit, but once I had, and my body had started to detox from all the negative effects cigarettes had on me, I was amazed. The benefits from quitting FAR outweighed all the "cool" points I felt I got as a smoker. Not only that, but suddenly, that "second-hand" smoke that all the whiny bitches had been complaining about became very real. I couldn't be around a smoker without coughing and having a hard time breathing. Fucking hell!

I'm in favor of any legislation that would actually be effective in keeping non-smokers away from people who are smoking. I tend to think total outdoor smoking bans are horseshit, though. I mean - if I'm outdoors and someone lights up, I just move. Or I ask HIM to move. Whatever. I'm generally against "sin taxes" of any kind. I see no real reason why smokes are ten buck a pack or more because of some stupid tax. That's just our representatives being assclowns, trying to legislate morality. You can't pass a law about morals - people will smoke if they want to, no matter WHAT asinine laws you pass.

And in reference to WMM's "car exhaust" complaint, I invite you to have a gander at this little tidbit:

Quote:
The air pollution emitted by cigarettes is 10 times greater than diesel car exhaust, suggests a controlled experiment, reported in Tobacco Control.

Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, which is the most dangerous element of air pollution for health. Levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors, because new engine models and lead free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car exhausts, say the authors.


Link.


WellMadeMale
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Nice experiment using what sounds like the best case scenario with a newer engine, low sulphur premium fuel, and what amounts to three smokes smoldering (with no inhales and lungs doing the scrubbing) in an ashtray.

I would venture to guess that 40% of the vehicles in North America are not that clean.

But, if I had to choose between sitting next to a smoker in a bar or next to the exhaust pipe of a unleaded gasoline burning vehicle or small 2 cycle engine...I'd take the rude smoker any day. icon_smile

I won't smoke where there's a no smoking ban in place. I will choke down several cigs while hurrying in my car (polluting our air) to catch a flight across the country (polluting our air), so I can rent a car and drive to my hotel, then drive to my data center workplace...

And I gotta have air condition powered by electricity from coal fired electrical plants (you get my drift by now).



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Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:29:58 PM

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I can't attest for conditions everywhere, but here in America, ANY on-road diesel vehicle burns low-sulfur fuel. Cars in the age of catalytic converters are cleaner running and pollute less than most any other machine man uses. Doesn't matter if they're diesel cars or gas cars. I'm not trying to get you to quit smoking, mind you - that's your choice, and you pay for it each morning you wake up with a mouth full of ashtray. I'm just trying to keep you honest. Cattle produce more pollutants than modern cars do...

Besides - our politicians made such a big deal about this so-called "clean coal technology", last election -- how DARE you criticize our wonderful coal-fired generating plants... Whistle
WellMadeMale
Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:14:58 PM

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MrNudiePants wrote:


And in reference to WMM's "car exhaust" complaint, I invite you to have a gander at this little tidbit:

Quote:
The air pollution emitted by cigarettes is 10 times greater than diesel car exhaust, suggests a controlled experiment, reported in Tobacco Control.

Environmental tobacco smoke produces fine particulate matter, which is the most dangerous element of air pollution for health. Levels indoors can far exceed those outdoors, because new engine models and lead free fuels have cut the levels of particulate matter emissions from car exhausts, say the authors.


Link.




I'll admit that my comment was hyperbole. However, from these 1997 studies, gasoline burning engines (and there are how many million of them in North America) still produce far greater amounts of pollution than all the smokers of the the same continent do.

And it is not just cars. How many people own a lawnmower, chainsaw, weed trimmer, motorcycle, snowmobile, jetski, sport/fishing boat.

Granted, you're probably not going to encounter those inside a restaurant or a nightclub, either. And, if you do...invite me - sounds like a lot of fun! geek

http://esa21.kennesaw.edu/activities/smog-cars/doe-veh-pollutants.pdf <-- Link

FFS's

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MrNudiePants
Posted: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:34:52 PM

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But people don't stick their lips to the tailpipes of their cars and willfully suck in the pollution cars produce... According to the American Lung Association:

Quote:
Cigarette smoking is the major cause of COPD and lung cancer. Cigarette smoke can narrow the air passages and make breathing more difficult. It causes chronic inflammation or swelling in the lung. This can lead to chronic bronchitis. Over time cigarette smoke destroys lung tissue, and may trigger changes that grow into cancer.


However, to be fair:

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Secondhand smoke, outdoor air pollution, chemicals in the home and workplace, and radon can all cause or worsen lung disease. Make you home and car smoke-free. Test your home for radon. Avoid exercising outdoors on bad air days. And talk to your healthcare provider if you are worried that something in your home, school or work may be making you sick.


So there! Wait... what were we arguing about again?
WellMadeMale
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I forget now, but I've smoked half a pack, while searching for links to rebut you.

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Posted: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:08:14 AM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:

I agree... opinions often differ when it comes to marijuana. I would love it if they were sold pre-packaged. I'm pathetic at rolling joints... happy8


You know what's funny? I've been smoking weed off and on since the late 1980s, and I still fumble with joints. Comes with mostly using a pipe, I guess. My best friend rolls 'em up in two seconds flat, perfect every time, but he calls my joints "weed burritos."

Ah well. I prefer bong hits anyway.
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Dancing_Doll wrote:

I agree... opinions often differ when it comes to marijuana. I would love it if they were sold pre-packaged. I'm pathetic at rolling joints... happy8


You know what's funny? I've been smoking weed off and on since the late 1980s, and I still fumble with joints. Comes with mostly using a pipe, I guess. My best friend rolls 'em up in two seconds flat, perfect every time, but he calls my joints "weed burritos."

Ah well. I prefer bong hits anyway.


Yeah, I use the "One hitter" (with the wooden dugout box) system myself. I have low tolerance for all drugs, so it works perfectly for me. I do however admire the skills of rolling a joint. I've tried, but it always ends up looking rather mangled, so I don't bother anymore (unless someone else is making it for me).

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