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Jacknife
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:25:20 AM

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As a follow up to the recent Ground Zero issues that have been happening, a lot has been made of the recent poll out that included a section on President Obama's religion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11027568

So 18% of people positively identified Obama as a Muslim, to say nothing of the 45% who didn't know.

I have to ask is 18% of America truly that uninformed that they would answer in that way? While
you can disagree with the man on his policies surely characterizing him so badly just makes you seem stupid insane or just uninformed.

Add this to all the heat that Obama took about being a part of Rev Wright's christian church from the right, I don't understand how so many people can not know that he is a Christian. Can any Americans closer to the situation explain it to me?
SweetPenny
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:39:29 AM

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It could be the 740,000 people who saw and misunderstood this youtube video:
Guest
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:45:34 AM

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I have to ask is 18% of America truly that uninformed that they would answer in that way?


Yes they are. They're easily led as well. Just watch what's popular on the television and that's what they will be buying into next. It's hard to make up your own mind and do your own research on any given subject but, it's much easier to follow what someone else says.
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Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:54:46 AM

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At this point, the fact that a percentage of the population also believes our President wasn't born in the US should be brought up.

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MrNudiePants
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:49:21 AM

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Jacknife wrote:

I have to ask is 18% of America truly that uninformed that they would answer in that way? While
you can disagree with the man on his policies surely characterizing him so badly just makes you seem stupid insane or just uninformed.


There's a whole industry dedicated to the task of convincing people that things are not what they really are. It's called "advertising". Marketers sell all kinds of products by convincing consumers that their competition is crap, but they're the best. It doesn't matter if it's gasoline, skin lotion, or a politician. Gore lost the 2000 election because a small, well funded organization managed to portray him as incompetent, unpatriotic, and one step away from being a traitor. (run a Google search on "Swift Boat Ads") to see what I mean.

For Obama, the same money that trashed Gore was spent in a concerted effort to convince Americans that he was:

1. Not an American citizen
2. A Muslim
3. A terrorist
4. A Socialist
5. A criminal
6. Etc.

These are the ones that come to mind, right off the bat. I'm sure there are plenty more. Fact is, if you spent enough money, you could convince a majority of ANY nation that the Earth really revolves around the moon, not the other way around. No matter what society you're talking about there are enough suckers that con men will never starve. These days, the big money in running cons is in politics.


Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 10:57:17 AM

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I don't know if it's so much that a certain percentage of Americans actually believe that he's Muslim or not even born in America rather it's the fact that those people want to discredit him.

Not that being Muslim would discredit someone but in certain American minds it does.



Rembacher
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:37:38 AM

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MrNudiePants wrote:
There's a whole industry dedicated to the task of convincing people that things are not what they really are. It's called "advertising". Marketers sell all kinds of products by convincing consumers that their competition is crap, but they're the best. It doesn't matter if it's gasoline, skin lotion, or a politician. Gore lost the 2000 election because a small, well funded organization managed to portray him as incompetent, unpatriotic, and one step away from being a traitor. (run a Google search on "Swift Boat Ads") to see what I mean.

Wasn't the Swift Boat thing about John Kerry?
Guest
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:17:19 PM

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agree with Chef...yes most of us are that stupid...like cows

and i agree with MF saying he's a muslim is a great way to discredit him here. remember we are a nation that refuses to even learn another language and gets pissed off when public sign-age is in spanish. there are moments when im embarrassed to even be an american to tell the truth

personally i dont care what he is...ill go so far as to say it bugs me hes religious at all (but maybe thats for another thread)
MrNudiePants
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:37:16 PM

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Jebru wrote:
MrNudiePants wrote:
There's a whole industry dedicated to the task of convincing people that things are not what they really are. It's called "advertising". Marketers sell all kinds of products by convincing consumers that their competition is crap, but they're the best. It doesn't matter if it's gasoline, skin lotion, or a politician. Gore lost the 2000 election because a small, well funded organization managed to portray him as incompetent, unpatriotic, and one step away from being a traitor. (run a Google search on "Swift Boat Ads") to see what I mean.

Wasn't the Swift Boat thing about John Kerry?


Damn. Yes, you are correct, sir. Had a brain fart, there.
LadyX
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:38:28 PM

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sprite wrote:
At this point, the fact that a percentage of the population also believes our President wasn't born in the US should be brought up.


LOL, ya those people are my favorites. No matter how much evidence there is that he was born in the US, they say it's all fake, and it's a giant conspiracy, and he's really from Kenya, or something. I wonder if they also think we filmed the moon landing in a warehouse.

About that video, it's pretty well known by everyone that what he said in the video was a speech mistake, it could happen to anyone. But it's not as much fun to be truthful as it is to sling mud and create an issue where there's not one.

But what mud is there really to sling? Why would it matter if he was Muslim anyway? I think the answer is that it doesn't, unless you're one of those that thinks all ________ are _________, and therefore all Muslims are "evil doers." It scares me how many people really equate being Muslim with being Evil, and even if they don't come out and say it, that clearly is what they mean by 'accusing' him of being one. I couldn't care less, although personally I'd rather have an atheist president if I have a choice.

So yes, people take one out of context quote and a verbal slip and make another wedge issue out of it, and if people want to believe it- since using your brain is lots harder than watching FoxNews or MSNBC- then you will. As long as he says he's not Muslim, I guess I'll believe him, but I really won't care either way.
MrNudiePants
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:50:50 PM

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LadyX wrote:
But what mud is there really to sling? Why would it matter if he was Muslim anyway? I think the answer is that it doesn't, unless you're one of those that thinks all ________ are _________, and therefore all Muslims are "evil doers." It scares me how many people really equate being Muslim with being Evil, and even if they don't come out and say it, that clearly is what they mean by 'accusing' him of being one.


No, the argument goes like this:

"It's in the Ko-ran that a Muslim can hold no allegiance before their obedience to Allah. Therefore, in any matters of state, if there's a conflict between what's best for Allah and what's best for America, Allah will always win. Do YOU want your President putting Allah before America...?"

And:

"It says in the Ko-ran that it's okay for a Muslim to lie and be a traitor to others, as long as it's in the service of Allah, and for the greater good of spreading the Muslim religion across the world. Do YOU want YOUR President to be a traitor to America...?"

Of course there are those mouth-breathers that insist ALL Muslims are terrorists, it's just that some haven't actually DONE anything yet. And the marketers reinforce this message by any means available to them.
Remington
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:55:14 PM

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First off, I don't like Obama one bit. I never have and I never will. But to say he's Muslim is ignorant in itself. We have much bigger issues to deal with then argue over whether or not he's Muslim.

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imharmless
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:00:11 PM

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As an American, just let me say that you can never underestimate the intelligence of the American people.
savanna
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:02:06 PM

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Ooops What am I doing here? Im not an American,,, But May I ask does it matter where he was born? Is he doing a good job? I'm sure if your all dig deep into you History you may just have been born, on Mars. Oh man I just found out that you cannot be President you were not born in America. Is that true?

There go's my future job.

Oooops let me out of here before the Immigration Police kick me out. After all I do want to enter legally there soon.
imharmless
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:02:52 PM

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didn't mean to hit post twice!
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imharmless wrote:
As an American, just let me say that you can never underestimate the intelligence of the American people.


um....yeah i can.
imharmless
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:11:59 PM

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LittleMissBitch wrote:
imharmless wrote:
As an American, just let me say that you can never underestimate the intelligence of the American people.


um....yeah i can.


Maybe I meant "You can never overestimate it" then. :)
Guest
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:17:35 PM

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imharmless wrote:
LittleMissBitch wrote:
imharmless wrote:
As an American, just let me say that you can never underestimate the intelligence of the American people.


um....yeah i can.


Maybe I meant "You can never overestimate it" then. :)


there ya go! ;)
MrNudiePants
Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:56:00 PM

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Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:40:24 PM

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To answer Savanna: Yes, one of the requisites for Presidency is being a natural-born citizen, the other is being at least 35 years of age. Is he doing a good job? The republican party would say no, actually they would adamantly say NO. Of course this is after an 8 year run by one of the dumbest presidents to hold the office. Nothing against republican, just dumb republicans. It takes a long time to clean up the mess after a hurricane.

To the original question, unfortunately yes, it seems that if the average american sees something in writing or more likely watches it on TV, and a statement is made about 20 times, then it becomes fact. No questions asked. If you want a fun game to play, watch a few broadcasts of two news sources and compare...1st CNN (which cubans in miami call the Castro News network) and then watch the same topic being discussed on FOXNews. In the end Americans are not very well read, and it all starts in our school system but that is another whole branch of the cherry tree. Much easier to be told what to do, than to figure out what to do.....gooble gobble...one of us, one of us.
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eiotis123 wrote:
To answer Savanna: Yes, one of the requisites for Presidency is being a natural-born citizen, the other is being at least 35 years of age. Is he doing a good job? The republican party would say no, actually they would adamantly say NO. Of course this is after an 8 year run by one of the dumbest presidents to hold the office. Nothing against republican, just dumb republicans. It takes a long time to clean up the mess after a hurricane.

To the original question, unfortunately yes, it seems that if the average american sees something in writing or more likely watches it on TV, and a statement is made about 20 times, then it becomes fact. No questions asked. If you want a fun game to play, watch a few broadcasts of two news sources and compare...1st CNN (which cubans in miami call the Castro News network) and then watch the same topic being discussed on FOXNews. In the end Americans are not very well read, and it all starts in our school system but that is another whole branch of the cherry tree. Much easier to be told what to do, than to figure out what to do.....gooble gobble...one of us, one of us.


All I can say is you have hit it right on the nose. but you left out how americans are like old bitties that sit around and gossip all day without getting their facts straight. and that we are only intrested in other peoples problems are over seas and we are blind to see what our problems are like: lack of decient housing, mediacl care, help for the unemployed, or that we still have not fixed our affected areas like lousiana and parts of florida that were destroyed years ago by hurricanes. NO we only worry about the rich and helping them and their pockets grow deeper and bail them out of their poor finacial situations. have we even noticed that we are supposed to be the best country in the world but we are the most ignorant and uneducated or undereducated.. our companies have to bring in people from other countries to fix our technical problems and our border problem is not even a big deal you try to get your crops picked without a migrant or get your dirty work like cleaning a public toilet cleaned without a migrant to do it. no american wants to do it because it is a minamal paying and demeaning Job!

Just remember that while we Bitch and moan about his first year in office Obama has to clean up all the disasterous Bull Shit that ex president Bush left for him and he has to finish and do all that Bush left half ass done for our first year with a new president.. Maybe just Maybe he will get to do something he has promised he would do. so we need to all pray a bit to who or what ever God we each believe in, that it will all improve soon... Hopefully



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Posted: Friday, August 20, 2010 11:16:23 PM

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WOW is all I can say here...

To think that anyone let alone some well educated people can actually think Obama is doing a good job is mind blowing. He has sunk to the level of being the worst President we have ever had and that is saying some thing considering what Jimmy Carter did to our country. It will take years if not decades to clean up the mess that Obama, Pelosi and Reid have done to what is the greatest Country the world has ever seen. Obama has not spent time cleaning up messes he has created them all on his own. And every hard working American will pay dearly for years to come to undo and pay for the mess he alone has created.
LadyX
Posted: Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:25:05 AM

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Politics aren't off limits (in Think Tank only, and if it's without flaming or insults), but we're getting a little off topic here.

If you want to discuss Obama's job performance, or what's responsible for what problems, then you're welcome to start a thread for it.

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Remington
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Thank you, Ferguson.

I'm so sick of seeing the blame being passed on to Bush. If you want to pass blame, then pass it to Clinton. That's where your problems begin. In Bush's first term, he had a RECORD NUMBER JOB GROWTH with a Republican led Congress and Senate. His second term is when things really began to get shitty here. The DemocRATS took over and now we are in the mess we're in. Obama is making it so much worse with his useless and out of control spending with money we don't have..

November 2nd, we'll see a big shift in power once again and hopefully it's not too late, which I'm afraid it is... angry7

Sorry to get off topic, but I needed to get that out. evil4

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Posted: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:57:42 AM

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Jacknife wrote:
As a follow up to the recent Ground Zero issues that have been happening, a lot has been made of the recent poll out that included a section on President Obama's religion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11027568

So 18% of people positively identified Obama as a Muslim, to say nothing of the 45% who didn't know.

I have to ask is 18% of America truly that uninformed that they would answer in that way? While
you can disagree with the man on his policies surely characterizing him so badly just makes you seem stupid insane or just uninformed.

Add this to all the heat that Obama took about being a part of Rev Wright's christian church from the right, I don't understand how so many people can not know that he is a Christian. Can any Americans closer to the situation explain it to me?



Do you have your answer now? evil4 angry7
Jacknife
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chefkathleen wrote:
Jacknife wrote:
As a follow up to the recent Ground Zero issues that have been happening, a lot has been made of the recent poll out that included a section on President Obama's religion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11027568

So 18% of people positively identified Obama as a Muslim, to say nothing of the 45% who didn't know.

I have to ask is 18% of America truly that uninformed that they would answer in that way? While
you can disagree with the man on his policies surely characterizing him so badly just makes you seem stupid insane or just uninformed.

Add this to all the heat that Obama took about being a part of Rev Wright's christian church from the right, I don't understand how so many people can not know that he is a Christian. Can any Americans closer to the situation explain it to me?



Do you have your answer now? evil4 angry7


To be honest not really! not an answer to the question I asked anyway. The only real progress I got on that issue was that people are definatly led by the media and that Muslim is a buzz word in america for terrorist. Now even as a Brit I know mental Fox news is, but I also know alot of people watch it. It is rather unfortunate that so many people can be led like sheep. You just couldn't get away with the things they do on that channel certainly in Britain and still call yourself a source of information.

Now this topic has fallen into a debate on Obama's performance as President, which I think someone else could start up if they wished.
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Posted: Saturday, August 21, 2010 3:16:37 PM

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Yes, they're uninformed and/or really don't care that much to learn more on the subject. They listen to gossip or whatever pundit is spouting off at the time and follow that. As long as it doesn't effect their lives day to day they're really unconcerned. As someone else said they're, and I mean a percentage of the population, like the biddies that sit around talking about something they really know nothing about. The politicians count a great deal on the American people having short memories. It's how they get elected time and time again even though they screw up constantly.
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cant really expect too much from a nation that worships holllywood and treats sports stars like gods. WE're more concerned about OUR starlets going to jail than the truth about of OUR gov't and presidents background. WE steal cable and sue OUR neighbors cuz the fruit from their tree falls into OUR yards. WE are loud, arrogant and cant see past OUR own noses and have an inappropriate sense of entitlement. for a nation that was born on the back of labor WE are some lazy ass people.

and terd (you know i love ya) and remington..our problems go back wayyy farther than bush clinton regan and ford, decades even. so you cant lay all the blame on obama or really any one of them.. WE've been going downhill for a long time now.
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A large proportion of my relatives are American, and they firmly believe Obama is either a Muslim or is some "secret tool of muslim imperialism." Trying to talk intelligently with them is like talking to children.

They also think that Missouri is the Garden of Eden though.
MrNudiePants
Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:52:54 PM

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DamonX wrote:
Trying to talk intelligently with them is like talking to children.



That's not a strictly American problem, but it's common enough that I have no problem believing you. Do they also watch professional wrestling, and get upset when the bad guy wins the belt? Because I know a lot of people like that.



DamonX wrote:
They also think that Missouri is the Garden of Eden though.



And have you ever BEEN to Missouri? Scorching summers and numbing winters aside, there are some very nice places there.
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