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Guest
Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 9:59:00 AM

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Are members of Congress paid enough?
By Chris Moody

Everyone complains about their job now and then, and members of Congress are no exception.

A few lawmakers have suggested in recent months that despite a $174,000 annual salary, generous health care and pensions, and perks for things like travel and mail, being one of the elite 435 ain't always what it's cracked up to be. And when you calculate the hours they put in, the pay isn't stellar either, they say.

The Florida Capital News reported last week on a speech Steve Southerland, a Republican representative, gave to a retirement community in Tallahassee in which he complained about some of the parts of his new job:
"He said his $174,000 salary is not so much, considering the hours a member of the House puts in, and that he had to sever ties with his family business in Panama City. Southerland also said there are no instant pensions or free health insurance, as some of his constituents often ask him about in Congress.

"'And by the way, did I mention? They're shooting at us. There is law-enforcement security in this room right now, and why is that?" Southerland told about 125 people in an auditorium at the Westminster Oaks retirement community. "If you think this job pays too much, with those kinds of risks and cutting me off from my family business, I'll just tell you: This job don't mean that much to me. I had a good life in Panama City.'
"...He added that 'if you took the hours that I work and divided it into my pay,' the $174,000 salary would not seem so high."

Southerland, a freshman, ran a family funeral home business in Panama City and earned about $90,000 before joining Congress in January.

His sentiments were not unlike those expressed by Sean Duffy, a Republican representative from Wisconsin, when he said in March it was a "struggle" to pay his mortgage and student loans with his congressional salary. "At this point, I'm not living high on the hog," Duffy, a father of six, said. (Compared to his colleagues, Duffy is one of the least wealthy members of Congress.)

At the height of the debate over a possible government shutdown last spring, Linda Sánchez, a Democratic representative from California, said during an MSNBC interview that she was living "paycheck to paycheck" on her congressional salary. And she wasn't the only one. Renee Ellmers, a Republican representative from North Carolina, was asked if she would forgo her pay in the case of a shutdown. Ellmers declined, saying, "I need my paycheck."

Are times really so tough that even members of Congress are struggling to get by? The numbers suggest otherwise. A recent analysis of congressional pay found that members of Congress earn about 3.4 times the salary of the average American worker. Using that standard, members of Congress are among the highest paid legislators in the developed world.

This talk probably won't help Congress' approval rating. The federal government is the worst-rated industry in the country, viewed favorably by only 17 percent of Americans, according to a new Gallup survey.
Volition
Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:01:25 AM

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People in poverty struggle every single day making FAR less than these members do. If I was making 175k a year, living paycheck to paycheck, would be an absolute crime.
iceman7570
Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 11:30:20 AM

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They think they are low paid? How about the military people who average so many cents an hr and getting shot at to earn it........after 20+ yrs what do we get 1/2 pay for retiring too. Wife and I supported ourselves and our 2 kids on one income not to mention the time I was deployed here and there, and he is worried he is not making money at his buisness he has 2 incomes what a dummy..............
Guest
Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:19:11 PM

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Police officers, Firemen, Military, and many others put themselves in harms way and work long hours for less pay and less benefits. And they don't get the perks either.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:27:53 PM

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My suggestion to the members is that they do what I and a lot of the people I know do. *LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS!!! See why the country is a mess? They can't budget. He's making 84k more than before and he's complaining that he's hurting? I know a lot of people that own their own business and everyone of them tell you it's not a 40 hour work week. What a puss.

*dumbass*
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He only go the worser, which is a shame, but Keith nicely shows several reasons why he is full of shit.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:44:59 PM

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Ah yes, the disclaimer. Many politicians love to throw that one out there in order to ingratiate themselves to constituents.

The true bottom line will not be revealed, but the easy way out, is. I work 80-90 hours a week and only make this. Yeah, well, single mums and dads work for far less and work far more, then go home and work a second job, raising the future of this nation. And you want me to fell sorry for you and your measly 174 grand? You have escorts, who after 911 and Mrs. Giffords shooting, are touted as a necessity. Senior Perry is using the same excuse in order to fight against revealing his bottom line.

Lets see, pensions, undisclosed assets, a pretty swanky support system in order for you to make the tough choices and decisions. Sorry dude, no habla bullshit.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:20:00 PM

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chefkathleen wrote:
My suggestion to the members is that they do what I and a lot of the people I know do. *LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS!!! See why the country is a mess? They can't budget.


Congress can't even budget themselves...and people wonder why the country has a deficit?

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Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:21:31 PM

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Seriously! Really, come on don't feed us that shit. Last year I made just over $15k and I even bought a house. There are much better things the money could be used for like education. Here is something I saw on facebok a while back and I think it would be a good fit here.
THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!!
by Steve Roth on Sunday, August 7, 2011 at 5:15pm
This is something that makes sense to me and I hope you all read it all the way through.
The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it.
That was in 1971...before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.
Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land...all because of public pressure.
This is one idea that really should be passed around.
Congressional Reform Act of 2011
1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.
3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.
THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!!


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easy_rider75
Posted: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:39:17 PM

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chefkathleen wrote:
My suggestion to the members is that they do what I and a lot of the people I know do. *LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS!!! See why the country is a mess? They can't budget. He's making 84k more than before and he's complaining that he's hurting? I know a lot of people that own their own business and everyone of them tell you it's not a 40 hour work week. What a puss.

*dumbass*



This is congress you are talking about the kigs of not knowing how to live with in their means. I mean seriously close to 100k a year and they can't survive on that? Fuckwad should try to live on what I make when I can damn useless duchebags at times.

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Sniffle.... you poor, poor man I feel so bad for you......GRRRR

I cant even continue this sarcastic statement, all in all you ALL deserve MASSIVE PAY CUTS!!!! (I know caps locks is immature but I need to show my rage about this.) I love how cutting there pay wasn't even thought of during the budget debate (Maybe It was. I wasn't following that closely) The entire time they were acting like babies about Americas future and now someone has the nerve to complain about how much they get..... anyways both sides were acting stupid. What gets me is if any other profession people would be fired for there unprofessionalism (lack of a better word)

God knows how many things at my back water retail store are considered "unprofessional"

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Posted: Thursday, November 3, 2011 8:07:11 PM

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I don't understand why whether or not the congress gets a raise is not a question on the voter ballot every two years when they hold the congressional elections. So the citizens can decide whether or not those politicians earned a raise.

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Buz
Posted: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 6:03:48 AM

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Politicians should be paid on a reward system like a salesman on commission. When they overspend and government agencies prove to be wasteful and useless then Congress and the president should have to take a pay cut.

I like the idea of the actual voters deciding in a referendum vote whether or not Congress and the president get a pay raise or a pay reduction. They certainly deserve a substantial reduction right now.





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