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WellMadeMale
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:40:56 PM

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Are all fucking ate up. If Obama wins - I'm shitcanning you. Heh...how's this for voter manipulation! evil4 Check out his emailed memo to all 7000 of his company's employees. What a fucking whining, waste of human flesh shitbag.

I'd like to kick him in his nuts (if he had any).

Subject: Message from David Siegel

Date:Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: [David Siegel]
To: [All employees]
To All My Valued Employees,

As most of you know our company, Westgate Resorts, has continued to succeed in spite of a very dismal economy. There is no question that the economy has changed for the worse and we have not seen any improvement over the past four years. In spite of all of the challenges we have faced, the good news is this: The economy doesn't currently pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best.

However, let me share a few facts that might help you decide what is in your best interest.The current administration and members of the press have perpetuated an environment that casts employers against employees. They want you to believe that we live in a class system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. They label us the "1%" and imply that we are somehow immune to the challenges that face our country. This could not be further from the truth. Sure, you may have heard about the big home that I'm building. I'm sure many people think that I live a privileged life. However, what you don't see or hear is the true story behind any success that I have achieved.

I started this company over 42 years ago. At that time, I lived in a very modest home. I converted my garage into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you. We didn't eat in fancy restaurants or take expensive vacations because every dollar I made went back into this company. I drove an old used car, and often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business - hard work, discipline, and sacrifice. Meanwhile, many of my friends got regular jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a nice income, and they spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into this business --with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford to buy whatever I wanted. Even to this day, every dime I earn goes back into this company. Over the past four years I have had to stop building my dream house, cut back on all of my expenses, and take my kids out of private schools simply to keep this company strong and to keep you employed.

Just think about this - most of you arrive at work in the morning and leave that afternoon and the rest of your time is yours to do as you please. But not me- there is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I'm the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. Unfortunately, what most people see is the nice house and the lavish lifestyle. What the press certainly does not want you to see, is the true story of the hard work and sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and people like me who made all the right decisions and invested in themselves are being forced to bail out all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed 42 years of my life for. Yes, business ownership has its benefits, but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds. Unfortunately, the costs of running a business have gotten out of control, and let me tell you why: We are being taxed to death and the government thinks we don't pay enough. We pay state taxes, federal taxes, property taxes, sales and use taxes, payroll taxes, workers compensation taxes and unemployment taxes. I even have to hire an entire department to manage all these taxes. The question I have is this: Who is really stimulating the economy? Is it the Government that wants to take money from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not, or is it people like me who built a company out of his garage and directly employs over 7000 people and hosts over 3 million people per year with a great vacation?

Obviously, our present government believes that taking my money is the right economic stimulus for this country. The fact is, if I deducted 50 percent of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? Who wants to get rewarded only 50 percent of their hard work? Well, that's what happens to me.

Here is what most people don't understand and the press and our Government has chosen to ignore - to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Instead of raising my taxes and depositing that money into the Washington black-hole, let me spend it on growing the company, hire more employees, and generate substantial economic growth. My employees will enjoy the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But that is not what our current Government wants you to believe. They want you to believe that it somehow makes sense to take more from those who create wealth and give it to those who do not, and somehow our economy will improve. They don't want you to know that the "1%", as they like to label us, pay more than 31% of all the taxes in this country. Thomas Jefferson, the author of our great Constitution, once said, "democracy" will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate business, not kill it. However, the power brokers in Washington believe redistributing wealth is the essential driver of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change they want.

So where am I going with all this? It's quite simple. If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, as our current President plans, I will have no choice but to reduce the size of this company. Rather than grow this company I will be forced to cut back. This means fewer jobs, less benefits and certainly less opportunity for everyone.

So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job. While the media wants to tell you to believe the "1 percenters" are bad, I'm telling you they are not. They create most of the jobs. If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the "1%"; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country.

You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.

Signed, your boss,

David Siegel




Most intelligent people are introspective and doubt themselves while many fucktards are proudly over-confident. - a tip of the hat to Charles Bukowski
Magical_felix
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:41:58 PM

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He worked hard for that shit, you idiot.



TheGulfCoaster
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:49:58 PM

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He should be charged with one count of voter intimidation for every email address he sent that message to.
LadyX
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:36:36 PM

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No amount of "I'm butthurt because I'm being called on my selfishness" sanctimony changes the truth about their stance, nor will it make their imaginary "lazy people just want to take" narrative true, regardless of how many 19th Century French Theorists give them cover. As has been readily admitted once called on their rhetoric, nobody vilifies wealth itself, but that's the kind of guy that fully deserves vilification.

Aww, he started his business in his garage! He worked so hard! How precious. Please proceed to the Caribbean as promised. Hopefully, you'll be mugged repeatedly and hassled by banana-republic bureaucrats that make your guy Obama seem like Adam Smith. So-called job creators that use politics as an excuse to absolve themselves of the same responsibility that they love to hold over others' heads deserve nothing in the way of concessions driven by fear.
CleverFox
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:17:52 PM

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If I received an e-mail like that from the owner of the company for which I worked I would start looking for a new job. I wonder how many good employees he will lose because of this e-mail?

I wouldn't care if the e-mail was right wing or left wing.

And if his taxes going up will hurt him so badly then why was the economic heyday of the United States back in the 1950's when the tax rates were at the highest they have ever been? There were steel mills and textile mills and automobile factories and rubber factories and all sorts of manufacturing plants across the country.

And don't tell me they moved because of the greedy and lazy unions. The employees at those manufacturing plants worked hard because they had to take care of their families and they knew their income depended on those factories producing a quality product.

I also remember how Republic Steel tried to cut my grandfather's pension payments back in the late 1970's. The union stopped that because that was my grandfather's money that he he earned when he was working for Republic Steel and was told if he invested his money in the company then he would be paid a certain interest rate when he retired. Republic Steel was trying to rob my grandfather of his hard earned cash.

From what I have seen, the reason Japanese manufacturing plants do so much better quality wise is because their philosophy is to build quality into the products instead of trying to repair flawed finished products. That means if there is a problem on the assembly line then the problem is fixed on the assembly line instead of after the fact. That is a MANAGEMENT decision, not the laborer's.

So go cry into your drink on the beach in the Bahamas. Make sure that you take a good look around you and realize that most of the people there are very poor with very few rich people and I hope you realize that is where your economic vision of supply side capitalism inevitably leads. Just like the Dark Ages in Europe.

If your company is really needed then others will be happy to fill the need so feel free to leave anytime you like. That is how capitalism works.
tazznjazz
Posted: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:35:31 PM

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I will be sure to pick any company but Westgate resorts the next time I want this sort of service. Hows that for capitalism at work? He has damaged his company singlehandedly with his lunatic threats.
1ball
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:30:14 AM

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His message is "If this guy wins reelection AND if it results in new taxes directed at me, THEN I will respond to protect my interests." That's so simple, he shouldn't even have needed to state it, but apparently he's aware of how economically naive the people who vote for this guy are.

It's no more voter intimidation than when Alec Baldwin and other Hollywood "luminaries" promised to leave if Bush got reelected.


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TheGulfCoaster
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:09:37 AM

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1ball wrote:

It's no more voter intimidation than when Alec Baldwin and other Hollywood "luminaries" promised to leave if Bush got reelected.


Did you read the email? Calling it intimidation is kind. It was an out and out attempt at coercion and a direct threat on his employees. What Alec Baldwin, et. al. said they would do did not affect the livelihood or quality of life for 7000 people dependent on them for income the way this asshole was doing. We definitely do not need to go back to the policies that created this mess to begin with, I hope he is charged. What he did is illegal.
LadyX
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:14:46 AM

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I'm not sure it's illegal to say what he said, but it's definitely grade A douchebaggery. I'm sure he's a real joy to work for.

If I was in a position to work elsewhere for similar compensation (which many aren't, contrary to conservative theory), I'd flee his company as soon as possible, leaving a note behind for Mr. Siegel: "I've now done my part to help you reduce your expenses. Enjoy, asshole."
TheGulfCoaster
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:56:09 AM

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LadyX wrote:
I'm not sure it's illegal to say what he said...


Check http[colon][forward slash][forward slash]definitions[dot]uslegal[dot]com[forward slash]v[forward slash]voter-intimidation[forward slash] (or Google voter intimidation law)

among other things it says, is, "Economic threat is another method of voter intimidation. A company supporting a particular party induces the workers to vote for that particular party which the company favors."
1ball
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:37:51 AM

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TheGulfCoaster wrote:
Did you read the email?


I read it. He said, "Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best." and then he pointed out where their interest might lay if they wish to remain employed.

Quote:
It was an out and out attempt at coercion and a direct threat on his employees.


He did not say, "If this guy wins I will fire you." He did not say, "If you vote for this guy, I will fire you." He has a right to freedom of speech and he has informed his employees of his concerns so that they can act with the knowledge of what might be at stake.

Quote:
What Alec Baldwin, et. al. said they would do did not affect the livelihood or quality of life for 7000 people dependent on them for income the way this asshole was doing.


Alec Baldwin's threat was to 350 million people, but I agree it would be no big loss.

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We definitely do not need to go back to the policies that created this mess to begin with, I hope he is charged. What he did is illegal.


I actually hope he is charged also. It would be a great first amendment case and great publicity for the sake of informing economically naive people about the consequences they can expect when they support socialism.


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TheGulfCoaster
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:07:02 PM

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You cited the email in which the employer said, "In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best." and then he pointed out where their interest might lay if they wish to remain employed."

That is the essence of voter intimidation.



1ball wrote:


I actually hope he is charged also. It would be a great first amendment case and great publicity for the sake of informing economically naive people about the consequences they can expect when they support socialism.



I think the employer is screwed, and rightfully so. You seem to be confusing socialism with democracy - I attribute that to too much Fox News Channel. You write well, I love your stories, but you let others do your critical thinking for you. Sad.

1ball
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:15:46 PM

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TheGulfCoaster wrote:
You seem to be confusing socialism with democracy


Lfunny

Bread and circuses.

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LadyX
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:19:47 PM

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1ball wrote:


Lfunny

Bread and circuses.


Did somebody say bread? drunken Is it gluten-free?
Ruthie
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:16:10 PM

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1ball wrote:
His message is "If this guy wins reelection AND if it results in new taxes directed at me, THEN I will respond to protect my interests." That's so simple, he shouldn't even have needed to state it, but apparently he's aware of how economically naive the people who vote for this guy are.

It's no more voter intimidation than when Alec Baldwin and other Hollywood "luminaries" promised to leave if Bush got reelected.


It's so wonderful to have people like 1ball who are willing to stand up for the rich and powerful no matter what they do. It just makes it worthwhile to be alive, doesn't it?
1ball
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:08:21 PM

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CoopsRuthie wrote:
It's so wonderful to have people like 1ball who are willing to stand up for the rich and powerful no matter what they do. It just makes it worthwhile to be alive, doesn't it?


It would be a groupthink tank without somebody pointing out the existence of the live and let live morality. evil4

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keoloke
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:17:40 AM

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If a single human being can have a home that's just shy of 100,000 square feet, it means that whatever service or product this person is selling he's charging way too much and paying way too little his employees. The windows in this home cost millions of dollars.

He should be higly rewarded for what he was able to build in this free country, with the almost free modern day slavery of must spend what you earned. But nowhere close to this extreme, and now he even cries?

He should get reprimanded for the suggestive email, but I'm not telling anyone what to do. Just what's in your best interest. Haaaaaa

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1ball
Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:48:17 AM

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keoloke wrote:
If a single human being can have a home that's just shy of 100,000 square feet, it means that whatever service or product this person is selling he's charging way too much and paying way too little his employees.


You would trust a government that would decide "he's charging way too much and paying way too little his employees"? When the billionaires have disappeared, such a government would drain the millionaires, then the thousandaires, except for the cronies of the politicians of course. This guy could have quit building his business long ago. He could have stopped at 100 employees. Paying people what the market decides their value is reduces inflation.


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