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WellMadeMale
Posted: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:25:38 PM

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I consider myself to be a pretty liberal dude, but this has got to be one of the stupidest damned things I've ever read concerning sex education policy towards grades 1 through 12, in America.

The fourth paragraph leaves me wondering who the hell is in charge within that particular school district. I'm all for sex education by the time kids start their junior high years; typically in America...that's age 12-13, nearly before or just after the onset of puberty. But this is ludicrous, imo.

There was nothing close to sex education for me when I was in Junior to Senior High in the mid to late 1970's, except one biology teacher who started discussing the odds of how many girls in my particular class would wind up pregnant and not be able to finish HS. He was talking to us when we were all 14 to 15 years old.

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Posted: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:40:00 PM

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My son, a 5th grader, had sex ed this past year. the curriculum covered puberty and the like but this, this is asinine! In what world does it seem necessary to explain oral sex to an 11 year old! Im all for kids knowing the truth about where babies come from but come on!

and as for anatomical terms..well, ive always used the correct ones with my children. think made up fluffy names are unnecessary and a bit silly but to specifically teach it in kindergarten?!?!

seriously, what are these people on?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:51:53 PM

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OMG are you kidding me? That's beyond stupid... I would pull my kids out and teach them at home.


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Posted: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:58:19 PM

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I heard of one case where they plan on teaching it to kindergardeners. i had sex ed in 5th grade and all they talked about was what puberty was. Small childeen do not and should not need to know all about sex. With the childern i have seen though are getting worse and worse with knowing things about sex at a young age. for instance i know of a friend of mine that had sex when he was 8. i know 5 year olds that know all about sex and what giving head is and hand job and that is not right in my mind. They are children and like to copy thing so this is just opening them up do doing these things at a younger age. Maybe a real sex ed class should be taught in 7 and 8th grade because i know far too many kids that are messing around and having sex at that age
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Posted: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:59:49 AM

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bloody hell............yes in the UK sex ed is basics still about pregnancy and protection, puberty etc only........and geez homosexuality still not allowed to be mentioned full stop! yet they want to teach this to little kids?????
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Posted: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:32:35 AM

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When I was in high school, I was in a play that toured schools focused on child abuse prevention. It was created in a format that had short skits, singing, dancing etc and covered topics like sexual molestation by strangers or family members, flashers, and other child abuse topics. We used the proper anatomical words for sex, and body parts and the main message was to "tell" someone if something inappropriate had happened to them. Parents were required to sign a waiver to allow their children to see this play (the kids were in grades 2-8). Beforehand, we staged evening previews of the play where parents could come watch it so they understand what their kids would be seeing. Many had issues with the language and content of the play, and used the argument "let kids be kids". To be frank, the more people hide behind this, the more you set up young children to be vulnerable and potentially ashamed and/or too terrified to tell an adult if something sexually inappropriate happened to them. Unfortunately we live in a different world than the whole "let kids be kids" mentality that worked well pre-1960. When these programs are aiming at educating kids, they are meant to empower them with the correct language and knowledge and remove the secrecy and the 'shame' element. They are not meant to 'promote' young children having sex. Kids are growing up fast these days... why not give them the tools to be safe (within reason).

Consider some of these facts on child sexual abuse and disclosure. If you make your kids afraid or ashamed of anything to do with body parts and sex, then that child is going to be a lot less likely to feel comfortable coming to you (or another adult) if someone has violated them. If they don't understand what is happening to them is inappropriate, how will they even know that they should tell someone? I felt strongly about the positive impact of the play I was involved in and I saw the first hand results when on occasion, very young children would come up to chat with us (as the actors) after it was over and admit that something "icky" had happened to them and they finally felt empowered enough to tell someone about it.

Child Sexual Abuse ~ Disclosures

Victims may be embarrassed or reluctant to answer questions about the sexual activity.
Source: Berlinger & Barbieri, 1984.

Victimization occurred before age eight for 22 percent of boys and for 23 percent of girls.
Forty-two percent of the women and thirty-three percent of the men reported never having disclosed the experience to anyone.
1 of every 7 victims of sexual assault were under age 6;
Source: Finkelhor et al., 1990.

Young victims may not recognize their victimization as sexual abuse.
Source: Gilbert, l988.



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Posted: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:52:34 AM

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If grade 5 is too young to learn about intercourse, what age is appropriate? It seems that television and movies are more sexualized than ever, and kids are emulating the behaviour they see. If kids are participating in intercourse, or even oral sex in 6th grade, then I think they should be taught about it before that, so they learn the facts, not rumours and speculation from their friends.
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Posted: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:55:26 AM

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doll you are right of course..we should be open about sex with our kids. they must know they can come to us..i know my son does. it is my rule that if he asks the question he gets the real answer no matter how uncomfortable it may make me to give it. and saying wee-wee over penis is just ridiculous.

however, we must keep things within the scope. an 11 year old does not need to know about anal sex. he needs to know about his body's changes and what they mean. he needs to know how babies are made (and not the damn stork story) and also about disease and prevention.

they must also, from a young age be taught the difference between good and bad touching but oral sex? anal sex? all the "frills" of sex so to speak..that can wait for a later date. information is power and we must arm our youth but too much too fast is also dangerous. as with all things in life we must strive to strike a balance.

The right thing, the right place, the right time. its so important to try and align these things for balance. this proposed sex ed program does not do that in the least. lets allow our kids to be kids. they only need to know what they need to know. no more, no less. Balance.
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Posted: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:16:35 AM

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LittleMissBitch wrote:
doll you are right of course..we should be open about sex with our kids. they must know they can come to us..i know my son does. it is my rule that if he asks the question he gets the real answer no matter how uncomfortable it may make me to give it. and saying wee-wee over penis is just ridiculous.

however, we must keep things within the scope. an 11 year old does not need to know about anal sex. he needs to know about his body's changes and what they mean. he needs to know how babies are made (and not the damn stork story) and also about disease and prevention.

they must also, from a young age be taught the difference between good and bad touching but oral sex? anal sex? all the "frills" of sex so to speak..that can wait for a later date. information is power and we must arm our youth but too much too fast is also dangerous. as with all things in life we must strive to strike a balance.

The right thing, the right place, the right time. its so important to try and align these things for balance. this proposed sex ed program does not do that in the least. lets allow our kids to be kids. they only need to know what they need to know. no more, no less. Balance.


Well, details about the frills don't necessarily need to be taught at a young age. I think it also depends on where you live and demographics. Some corners of the world (or country) have kids having sex at a much younger age than others. I think it's better to hear it from an intelligent adult source, then from misinformed friends. Even girls are starting to menstruate earlier than they did 20 years ago. Every child will be different depending on various factors.

But when pedos use language like "I want to kiss you... there".... it may be oral technically, but manipulation of language can make a kid question whether it's considered wrong or inappropriate.

I think kids can sense when we are uncomfortable about certain topics, and fear/shame can be a strong motivator to stay silent. Even when it comes to a girl in puberty getting pressured to have sex with her boyfriend (or whatever constitutes a 'boyfriend' at that age... LOL).

And with the media and internet being what it is today... the likelihood an 11 year old will be learning about anal, oral, and everything in between is... probably not very far out of the realm of possibility. I'd just want to make sure they learned accurate information. This is coming from a girl that was snooping at the age of 10, and found all kinds of "interesting things" in my mom's bedroom and in the bedrooms of my friend's parent's homes... happy8

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Posted: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:27:26 PM

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When I was in High School, we (the student body) was able to successfully change the school districts stance on sex education. Im from an extremely conservative part of Texas and the original position was abstinence only. We were able to get it changed to actual education. Job well done.
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Posted: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:22:31 AM

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Good god...
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Posted: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:59:18 AM

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xXmtbkingXx wrote:
When I was in High School, we (the student body) was able to successfully change the school districts stance on sex education. Im from an extremely conservative part of Texas and the original position was abstinence only. We were able to get it changed to actual education. Job well done.


Yes it is. Knowledge is power. Especially in this instance.
Sassygirl
Posted: Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:56:15 PM

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I consider myself to be very liberal, especially in the area of sex education. I do not believe we should be teaching it in K- thru 5th grades. Somethings should start at home at those ages. I've been teaching high school for a long time, and in my every year, i've had a student turn up pregnant. With that being said, I do strongly believe it should be taught in high school. I do teach it in my Biology classes. I start with the reproduction organs in males and females, engaging students in how easily STD's can be transmitted and how easily a female can get pregnant. You can only imagine the questions I receive from students and I answer within the boundries of the laws of my state. I also send letters home, to be signed, making sure parents are aware of exactly what is being taught and discussed in my class. I have learned from my students what THEY learn on the "playground" and 99% of it isn't true.
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Posted: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:24:06 PM

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My daughter who is 7 knows about intercourse. Look around- The masses are educated through the public schools- generally people are aimless and stupid because of it. I take it upon myself to educate my daughter above and beyond what the schools will provide. Besides I don't trust the schools to teach my daughter our family values about sex. Teachers could take it upon themselves to poison my child with hyper conservative values.

I have always been very sexual I started masturbating at age six. At age six I was ready to discuss why I had those feelings and that it was perfectly ok. When you observe and communicate with your child you will know what level of information you should provide them. The key here being don't let the schools be your child primary source of information.

Talking about sex does not lead to more sex.
Taking the pill does not lead to more sex.
Providing youth with condomns does not lead to more sex.
Not providing information and tools leads to stupid sex, ie disease, abortion and being vulnerable to abuse.

I had a great lover who had a sex ed class in high school where they learned about how to stimulate a woman and how men were stimulated. It was more like a -how to have good sex- sex ed class. Now lets have more of that!!!!!!!

May your orgasms be multiple.
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Posted: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:22:25 AM

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I think the aim of teaching the 5th graders about oral/anal is that they know it counts as sex, and so are at risk of catching disease from it and at that age that it's still "wrong" or inapropriate. This way they cant be tricked and told that it's not "real sex" so it's ok.
I dont think they plan on teaching them the "joys" or the mechanics of oral or anal so much as just that it happens and that if you do that there are still risks.

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Posted: Monday, July 19, 2010 8:29:30 AM

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When I was ten years old, and my brother was eight, my parents gave us a primer on where babies come from. They did use the clinical terms and then explained them to us so we could understand as best we could. A few years later they also told my youngest brother, about the time he was seven.

I think they handled the birds-n-bees talk about as well as could be expected, especially since their own parents had not mentioned this to them, in their childhoods.

But they didn't explain cunnilingus, fellatio or anal sex. There was no talk beyond why boys and girls are different and what those basic reasons are useful for.

A year later I was listening to a friend talking about fucking, he was getting it from his older siblings who were sexually active and whose parents were split up and not involved in parenting. The older siblings were doing that chore.

Later that summer I was accosted by a 40 year old neighbor down the street, while I was swimming in his backyard pool with six of my buddies of like age.

My 36 year old father rearranged the entire fellow's physique, starting with his eyebrows, all the way down to his asshole. I knew enough at the age of eleven to know that Cleve had done things he should not have done, taken liberties no other adults would.

Both of my brothers introduced their children to the topic of sex (no frills) when those kids all hit 2nd grade, between the ages of six and seven. As they too, knew that if they didn't do so themselves, their kids would hear about it from older kids in their schools and neighborhoods.

The sad fact is that not all kids have parents, or parent's who act responsible towards their offspring.

I am not against sex/birth/STD/orientation/penetration position/oral technique education, I am against dishing out all 32 flavors of it to children, when a vanilla conversation will suffice.

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Posted: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:24:16 AM

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good for your dad WWM! i applaud him! i know id do it for my kids and i wish someone had done it for me. and i agree with all that you said. yes they need to know what they need to know about sex, reproduction, disease, prevention and protection. but no, some of the 32 flavors they can experience on their own.

i just got done having the oh so fun conversation with my 11 year old that parents have sex a lot and not just to have babies (evidently he heard us..im soundproofing our room now! haha) that having sex is the greatest expression of love and a sign of a healthy marriage. that indeed you dont have to love someone or be married to someone to have sex with them. and my awesome son replied, but mom isnt it better when you do love them? when its right for you both? i hugged him tight and said....EXACTLY! he looked at me and said, then thats what ill do. i swear i almost cried! my kid rocks! :)
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"teaching erotic art to ninth through 12th-graders"

What's next? hands-on demos?

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Posted: Friday, December 13, 2013 10:29:28 PM

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I am 59 years old and I had sex education in Junior High. Which I feel is the right time to have it. I am glad they did it then...
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I am of a very old era and we were told nothing at all about (sex, -whisper) Even when my sister started her periods, they talked in hushed tones if I was there. I grew up knowing only what other kids had talked about. Later I scoured my mom's magazines for adverts for bras! Today, access to the internet has opened up the world of sex to kids at a very young age and shows all kinds of actions. I think it important that they should know that this is not real, it is not how everyone behaves all the time, and the dangers of disease. Education should start early, both in school and at home, being graduated according to age, possibly starting about masturbation and going on from there. We can't keep porn from the kids, let it be put in it's proper place, - as a spectacle only, and real sex life explained.


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Hell look at kids's networks like Nick and Cartoon Network, there are hints of sexualized humor all over the place. Parents need to just stop being prudes, relying on schools for this stuff, and be the ones to tell their kids about these things. What age is appropriate? I don't think it matters, but I also agree it should be at parental discretion; I think we undervalue the intelligence of the young minds. It's a part of reality. I was aware of what sex was by age 6, my parents explained it to me when I walked in on them watching a show with a nude couple getting frisky. I wasn't traumatized by it and it didn't negatively affect me. You can ask yourself when is it too early, but also consider when is it too late.
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Dancing_Doll wrote:


Well, details about the frills don't necessarily need to be taught at a young age. I think it also depends on where you live and demographics. Some corners of the world (or country) have kids having sex at a much younger age than others. I think it's better to hear it from an intelligent adult source, then from misinformed friends. Even girls are starting to menstruate earlier than they did 20 years ago. Every child will be different depending on various factors.

But when pedos use language like "I want to kiss you... there".... it may be oral technically, but manipulation of language can make a kid question whether it's considered wrong or inappropriate.

I think kids can sense when we are uncomfortable about certain topics, and fear/shame can be a strong motivator to stay silent. Even when it comes to a girl in puberty getting pressured to have sex with her boyfriend (or whatever constitutes a 'boyfriend' at that age... LOL).

And with the media and internet being what it is today... the likelihood an 11 year old will be learning about anal, oral, and everything in between is... probably not very far out of the realm of possibility. I'd just want to make sure they learned accurate information. This is coming from a girl that was snooping at the age of 10, and found all kinds of "interesting things" in my mom's bedroom and in the bedrooms of my friend's parent's homes... happy8


I agree with you Dancing doll.

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I say do it, but they shouldn't give kids too much information. The same idea with drugs, or I think it's just putting the pieces together for them to do things. That's what they don't want.

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I also say do it but the bare bones and hope that the parents do the rest! My son was lucky that he had me and my mom and dad teaching him about sex because if he had to learn from his friends I would have been in trouble LOL

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My sons had all sorts of misconceptions about sex, which I learned of mainly from driving them to hockey. I took advantage of the moment and explained clearly and simply what the terms were, what they meant, and any other questions they had. I'm glad to say that they began to talk openly about sex and freely asked questions.
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