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redhotmommacita
Posted: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:48:25 AM

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nicola wrote:
redhotmommacita wrote:
We need a Panic Button..... for when we are at work or creeping online late at night so our other halves don't catch us!


We have one at www.historiaslush.com (bottom right corner).

I am not all that keen on having one here too unless there's pressing member demand. I find them a little distracting and interfere with the site design. It's still doable if necessary.


I know that is where I first saw it and I just wondered why we didn't have one here on lush I am continuously on both sites I have not left one for the other I share my time on them both equally because I love both sites.......No Biggie



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Catnip
Posted: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:04:36 AM

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nicola wrote:
redhotmommacita wrote:
We need a Panic Button..... for when we are at work or creeping online late at night so our other halves don't catch us!


We have one at www.historiaslush.com (bottom right corner).

I am not all that keen on having one here too unless there's pressing member demand. I find them a little distracting and interfere with the site design. It's still doable if necessary.


Isn't it just as easy to click a bookmarked page up on the tool bar of your browser?
Or have two tabs up and close the one you are on.


gav
Posted: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:21:34 PM

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For some of us, our time here on Lush is limited. If I see a story of interest on the home page, or coming through my friends feed (from a story submission, a comment or a score) I want to be able to add this to my "Read it later" queue.

I want to be able to easily add stories to my queue and have the option for them to be emailed to me for offline reading. As soon as they are emailed, or read they are to be removed from my queue. My friends can see what I have in my queue.

Possible?

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Catnip
Posted: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 2:34:42 PM

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I don't want my stories emailed.
I don't mind people printing them, but I wouldn't want them emailed out to people.

The read later que is a great idea though.

Catnip
Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:15:37 AM

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We could have a more specific voting system or add a more specific one next to the one we already got.
I got the idea from this Poetry site in Swedish, and it's really helpful to see what you might need to work on.
Also, it helps a person not get beaten up by an over all 3 when he/she gets a 5 in one of the categories.
The categories they use are:
Language
Structure
Overall
Expression/emotion

Dancing_Doll
Posted: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:17:42 AM

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Catnip wrote:
We could have a more specific voting system or add a more specific one next to the one we already got.
I got the idea from this Poetry site in Swedish, and it's really helpful to see what you might need to work on.
Also, it helps a person not get beaten up by an over all 3 when he/she gets a 5 in one of the categories.
The categories they use are:
Language
Structure
Overall
Expression/emotion


I like this idea, but I'm not sure if it would hinder people from voting in general, as it's just that extra step that a lot of people still tend to forget to do after reading a story. It would be interesting to make this a mandatory requirement for votes of 3 however... like perhaps a tick-box pop-up that asks the voter of the 3-score to click what the weakness of the story was (eg. structure, storyline, writing, expression etc). That would allow them to still remain anonymous, not have to give a comment, but at least allude to the flaws in the story that resulted in their vote. It would be nice to have some kind of feedback after a 3 as I am always left uncertain as to what that voter wishes I had done differently. Anyway, just a thought. I know the voting system 'is what it is'. I would personally love to see a scoring system out of '10' to allow for more variation too, but that's just my personal preference.

DirtyMartini
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:54:27 AM

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Catnip wrote:
We could have a more specific voting system or add a more specific one next to the one we already got.
I got the idea from this Poetry site in Swedish, and it's really helpful to see what you might need to work on.
Also, it helps a person not get beaten up by an over all 3 when he/she gets a 5 in one of the categories.
The categories they use are:
Language
Structure
Overall
Expression/emotion


Jeez C-nip...it's hard enough to get people to vote now if you look at the percentages of viewers that actually vote...requiring an advanced degree in English literature is not going to help the matter in my opinion...

On the other hand I think requiring a psych eval, an IQ test and a criminal background check as part of the membership requirement for joining Lush might be a good idea...

Just to keep the riff-raff at bay...icon_smile


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sprite
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:40:32 AM

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ok while i DO like the idea of changing it to a 1-10 voting system, yeah, having people do more then hit a number isn't going to work here, i fear - i mean, i have had stories with thousands of hits and gotten less then a dozen votes on them, so like Alan says, making it harder isn't really fruitful.

ps - Gav? what about developing a DirtyMartini device of some sort not sure what it is, but sometimes, i feel the need for one... maybe it could ad random bad puns to everyones posts or even stories? *giggles* and yes, i love you too, Alan *blows kisses*

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LadyX
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:22:45 AM

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I think DD's idea about a simple, yet required, choice selection on 3-votes would be good, and helpful to the authors. However, if its all in the effort to deter 3-bombers, I'm afraid that in the long run we'll only make the system clumsier for everyone while never really eliminating somebody's ability to be vindictive and childish with their votes if they're determined to do so.
Jillicious
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:40:54 AM

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What if the voting is already too complicated for some people? Why don't we just go to a thumbs up or thumbs down style of voting? Yes, I liked it or no, I didn't. Then if they vote no we can have a dialogue box pop up that asks them if they want to change their vote. That way everyone is encouraged to get amazing votes and no ones feelings get hurt.

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LadyX
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:47:27 AM

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Jillicious wrote:
What if the voting is already too complicated for some people? Why don't we just go to a thumbs up or thumbs down style of voting? Yes, I liked it or no, I didn't. Then if they vote no we can have a dialogue box pop up that asks them if they want to change their vote. That way everyone is encouraged to get amazing votes and no ones feelings get hurt.


Point taken, you don't think its a big deal or worth talking about, apparently. We get it.

But if the voting system is not to be fussed over or taken seriously, then what other parts of the site should we just not concern ourselves with? It's hard enough to write stories worthy of being shown to the world, and in some cases have courage to post them, only to feel like you're going to get voted badly, for reasons having nothing to do with the quality of the writing.

And save the whole "maybe the story really DOES deserve a low vote" argument. Anyone can attest that what I, and others, am referring too happens a lot. We're not all in our own little love-our-own-writing mode here, sorry.

I'm not saying make drastic changes (see above post), but this is something that comes up over and over again. If you feel like it's just a bunch of members being babies and taking it too seriously, then thats fine, be snide about it all you want. But that opinion is far from a consensus here.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:55:29 AM

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LadyX wrote:
Jillicious wrote:
What if the voting is already too complicated for some people? Why don't we just go to a thumbs up or thumbs down style of voting? Yes, I liked it or no, I didn't. Then if they vote no we can have a dialogue box pop up that asks them if they want to change their vote. That way everyone is encouraged to get amazing votes and no ones feelings get hurt.


Point taken, you don't think its a big deal or worth talking about, apparently. We get it.

But if the voting system is not to be fussed over or taken seriously, then what other parts of the site should we just not concern ourselves with? It's hard enough to write stories worthy of being shown to the world, and in some cases have courage to post them, only to feel like you're going to get voted badly, for reasons having nothing to do with the quality of the writing.

And save the whole "maybe the story really DOES deserve a low vote" argument. Anyone can attest that what I, and others, am referring too happens a lot. We're not all in our own little love-our-own-writing mode here, sorry.

I'm not saying make drastic changes (see above post), but this is something that comes up over and over again. If you feel like it's just a bunch of members being babies and taking it too seriously, then thats fine, be snide about it all you want. But that opinion is far from a consensus here.


I really just see it as a method of feedback for the author, as Catnip was talking about. The scores themselves are not an issue if the voter has a valid opinion. We were just talking about drumming up new ways to provide more feedback for authors.

I do agree with you LadyX that making the system too complicated can easily backfire. It's probably best to keep it as simple as possible.

Dancing_Doll
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:09:03 PM

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One other feedback/suggestion I thought I'd put out there is the idea of having a 10 Top Story Picks for the month and a separate !0 Top Poetry Picks for the month. Most of the time, the top picks for the month are disproportionately taken up by poems (as it is today, 7 out of 10 picks for February are poems). It would be nice to separate them into two different columns so readers can browse the lists according to their preferences. Just an idea... (not something meant to begrudge poetry).

Rembacher
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:09:37 PM

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LadyX wrote:
Jillicious wrote:
What if the voting is already too complicated for some people? Why don't we just go to a thumbs up or thumbs down style of voting? Yes, I liked it or no, I didn't. Then if they vote no we can have a dialogue box pop up that asks them if they want to change their vote. That way everyone is encouraged to get amazing votes and no ones feelings get hurt.


Point taken, you don't think its a big deal or worth talking about, apparently. We get it.

But if the voting system is not to be fussed over or taken seriously, then what other parts of the site should we just not concern ourselves with? It's hard enough to write stories worthy of being shown to the world, and in some cases have courage to post them, only to feel like you're going to get voted badly, for reasons having nothing to do with the quality of the writing.

And save the whole "maybe the story really DOES deserve a low vote" argument. Anyone can attest that what I, and others, am referring too happens a lot. We're not all in our own little love-our-own-writing mode here, sorry.

I'm not saying make drastic changes (see above post), but this is something that comes up over and over again. If you feel like it's just a bunch of members being babies and taking it too seriously, then thats fine, be snide about it all you want. But that opinion is far from a consensus here.


Sarcasm aside, I actually like the thumbs up, thumbs down idea for creating more votes. Stories tend to be a subjective thing, better suited to quantitative feedback rather than objective, qualitative feedback. A simple "yes" it was good, or "no" it wasn't would be effective, with the option to clarify the reason for your vote in the comment section. The top stories list would then be based on the percentage of yes votes.

But again, this all depends on what you want from the stories. Do you want quality, or quantity in votes? The multi-faceted voting system suggested earlier gives the writer a lot more useful feedback, but those who are here just to enjoy stories won't vote because they don't want to think about all those aspects while trying to get off on the story. If you just want confirmation that you did a good job, a yes or no would be fine.

Personally, I do appreciate the public comments and votes on my stories, but I find that for my growth as a writer, the feedback I receive in messages and conversations is most useful.

I don't think we are ever going to find a perfect system. I don't know if the stats back this up, but I think the votes/read have gone down since we required people to comment after leaving a 1 or 2 vote. A 3 vote sucks when not warranted, but it's actually a vote saying your story was average. If we restrict people from calling a story average, we might as well force comments on every single vote, and live with the lower vote totals.
DirtyMartini
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:16:17 PM

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LadyX wrote:


But if the voting system is not to be fussed over or taken seriously, then what other parts of the site should we just not concern ourselves with? It's hard enough to write stories worthy of being shown to the world, and in some cases have courage to post them, only to feel like you're going to get voted badly, for reasons having nothing to do with the quality of the writing.



I understand how you feel Xuani, believe me...the whole idea of someone coming along and giving a story a low vote just because that's how they "get their kicks" on something you've spent a lot of time on is hurtful...I can understand...

All I can say is "get over it"...I've been doing this writing thing for two years now next month, and have seen and heard this voting thing discussed more times than I can count. There really is no solution. Since I've joined Lush in '09, I've seen it go from where you had to add a comment if you gave a 1 vote...now you have give a reason for a 1, 2 or 3 vote...the next step is you have to explain yourself if you feel a story deserves anything less than a 5...do you really want that???

I've had plenty of stories where all the votes were 5's except for one 1 or 2 vote...I think it's obvious that the 1 vote was simply malicious, and you should realize that too.

You have to understand that any changes to the voting system don't just affect stories going forward...it would affect the rankings of all stories currently posted on the site. Who is to say that a story that was posted on Lush a year ago would not have a higher ranking if it posted today where you have to give a reason when you give a 3 vote? Should all those 2 and 3 votes on older stories be removed??? They were given without reason...

There is an author who writes on the site I started on who used to take voting more "serious" than anyone I've ever met...she would literally send you a PM if she thought you might have given one of her stories less than a 5...she eventually came around to a rather "enlightened" view of voting last year (OK, and about 120 stories later)...
Her attitude now is that when someone comes along and gives one of her stories a low vote and knocks her off the Hottest Author list, it gives someone else a chance to get on it...

You know, I think she sleeps better at night...

If you're going to really get bothered by one low score some anonymous idiot gave you, I don't think the voting system is the problem...

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LadyX
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:26:40 PM

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You know what? I'm bothered a lot less by 3-bombing than by the attitude displayed above every time anyone even mentions this subject. We're babies for trying (admittedly in vain) to minimize it? That's fine. Understand that its awfully pompous to assume that only your concerns are worthy of being spared ridicule.

EDIT: and just to be clear, yes I understand that we can't just change the entire vote structure, for the reasons that Dirty Martini laid out. As far as I'm concerned, its almost beside the point.
sprite
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 12:58:33 PM

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i will have to tell you about the wine incident one day soon...

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gav
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 4:11:38 PM

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sprite wrote:
ok while i DO like the idea of changing it to a 1-10 voting system, yeah, having people do more then hit a number isn't going to work here, i fear - i mean, i have had stories with thousands of hits and gotten less then a dozen votes on them, so like Alan says, making it harder isn't really fruitful.

ps - Gav? what about developing a DirtyMartini device of some sort not sure what it is, but sometimes, i feel the need for one... maybe it could ad random bad puns to everyones posts or even stories? *giggles* and yes, i love you too, Alan *blows kisses*


Meanwhile, somewhere in Alan's brain, I managed to extract these goodies:

1. A bicycle can’t stand alone; it is two tired.
2. A will is a dead giveaway.
3. Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
4. A backward poet writes inverse.
5. In a democracy it’s your vote that counts; in feudalism, it’s your Count that votes.
6. A chicken crossing the road: poultry in motion.
7. If you don’t pay your exorcist you can get repossessed.
8. With her marriage she got a new name and a dress.
9. Show me a piano falling down a mine shaft and I’ll show you A-flat miner.
10. When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds.
11. The guy who fell onto an upholstery machine was fully recovered.
12. A grenade fell onto a kitchen floor in France resulted in Linoleum Blownapart.
13. You are stuck with your debt if you can’t budge it.
14. Local Area Network in Australia : The LAN down under.
15. He broke into song because he couldn’t find the key.
16. A calendar’s days are numbered.
17. A lot of money is tainted: ‘Taint yours, and ‘taint mine.
18. A boiled egg is hard to beat.
19. He had a photographic memory which was never developed.
20. A plateau is a high form of flattery.
21. The short fortuneteller who escaped from prison: a small medium at large.
22. Those who get too big for their britches will be exposed in the end.
23. When you’ve seen one shopping center you’ve seen a mall.
24. If you jump off a Paris bridge, you are in Seine.
25. When she saw her first strands of gray hair, she thought she’d dye.
26. Bakers trade bread recipes on a knead to know basis.
27. Santa’s helpers are subordinate clauses.
28. Acupuncture: a jab well done.
29. Marathon runners with bad shoes suffer the agony of de feet.
sprite
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:32:20 PM

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gav wrote:
sprite wrote:
ok while i DO like the idea of changing it to a 1-10 voting system, yeah, having people do more then hit a number isn't going to work here, i fear - i mean, i have had stories with thousands of hits and gotten less then a dozen votes on them, so like Alan says, making it harder isn't really fruitful.

ps - Gav? what about developing a DirtyMartini device of some sort not sure what it is, but sometimes, i feel the need for one... maybe it could ad random bad puns to everyones posts or even stories? *giggles* and yes, i love you too, Alan *blows kisses*


Meanwhile, somewhere in Alan's brain, I managed to extract these goodies:

1. A bicycle can’t stand alone; it is two tired.
2. A will is a dead giveaway.
3. Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
4. A backward poet writes inverse.
5. In a democracy it’s your vote that counts; in feudalism, it’s your Count that votes.
6. A chicken crossing the road: poultry in motion.
7. If you don’t pay your exorcist you can get repossessed.
8. With her marriage she got a new name and a dress.
9. Show me a piano falling down a mine shaft and I’ll show you A-flat miner.
10. When a clock is hungry it goes back four seconds.
11. The guy who fell onto an upholstery machine was fully recovered.
12. A grenade fell onto a kitchen floor in France resulted in Linoleum Blownapart.
13. You are stuck with your debt if you can’t budge it.
14. Local Area Network in Australia : The LAN down under.
15. He broke into song because he couldn’t find the key.
16. A calendar’s days are numbered.
17. A lot of money is tainted: ‘Taint yours, and ‘taint mine.
18. A boiled egg is hard to beat.
19. He had a photographic memory which was never developed.
20. A plateau is a high form of flattery.
21. The short fortuneteller who escaped from prison: a small medium at large.
22. Those who get too big for their britches will be exposed in the end.
23. When you’ve seen one shopping center you’ve seen a mall.
24. If you jump off a Paris bridge, you are in Seine.
25. When she saw her first strands of gray hair, she thought she’d dye.
26. Bakers trade bread recipes on a knead to know basis.
27. Santa’s helpers are subordinate clauses.
28. Acupuncture: a jab well done.
29. Marathon runners with bad shoes suffer the agony of de feet.


I should mention, i know have the biggest crush ever on you Gav *dreamy sigh*

Live, love, laugh.
magnificent1rascal
Posted: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:30:20 PM

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Regardless whether it was all Gav or if he really was channeling Alan, that list was absolutely hilarious!

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sprite
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:09:20 AM

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sprite wrote:
i will have to tell you about the wine incident one day soon...


My ex-bf (leading candidate for worst bf ever – in fact, I think he is still being used as a template for really awful bfs) was into wines. He’d been collecting vintage wines for a while when I moved into his place, had a nice wine rack set up, all that fancy stuff, and liked to show them off proudly. At the time, my tastes ran more towards the occasional beer. Not the good stuff, just the average stuff. He tried to get me cultured and really, I tried, but it all tasted like… well, wine. It was nice, but I was just as happy with a bottle of white zin off the shelf at the Safeway, or whatever.

He teased me, and sometimes, he’d get a little angry because I really wasn’t all that impressed when he broke open a bottle for a special meal. I called him a snob once or twice, a reaction to being branded an unsophisticated bimbo, and began to resent the whole wine collecting thing.

This came to a head one night when he caught me in the kitchen, drinking two buck chuck (I was fairly drunk) while pouring generous dollops of one of his prized bottles into the red sauce. He got rather upset when I explained that he should be happy, cause it was going to be the best God-damned spaghetti dinner he’d ever eat…

The point? Some people read stories here and look for artistry, cleverness, literary gems. Others just want something that will make them either wet or hard and get them off in the 10 minutes they have to spare before the spouse comes home. The former are going to look at tales like, well, let’s take Doll for examples, and revel in them, admire them, get fiercely turned on as the words slowly unfold. Someone else is going to want something that is pure smut, quick and dirty and fast – it might not be pretty, but it gets the job done. That’s what they are looking for and, if they come across something where the payback is slow, or not to their particular taste, they going to stop fairly quickly, hit that 3 button, and look for something that will get them off FAST before the wife comes knocking on the study door.

Sure, those who take a lot of time to carefully craft their stories will be discouraged by this approach – let’s face it, our ego IS tied up in what we write, no matter how much we try for it not to be – getting those 3’s, when you write what you think is THE best thing you’ve ever done, is like getting the air let out of you sails at times, especially when you see the Two Buck Chuck stories getting raved about and straight 5’s.

Really, we can change the scoring all sorts of ways, but in the end, I don’t think it matters – it’s going to make someone unhappy, and I’ve suddenly realized that, hey, getting on the top 10 for even a short while (I was, after 6 days at #1 for February, knocked completely off the list today) is pretty cool, and yeah, maybe it was someone else’s turn to feel kind of cool for a while and hey, people who, in my opinion, are the vintage wines here, have given me praise, and I think that’s what matters to me most.


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Guest
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 1:34:28 AM

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I think there should be a 'fuck me' button instead of poke or have both. When someone receives the notice it should say 'fuck back'
DirtyMartini
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 1:50:33 AM

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alessandro_alex wrote:
I think there should be a 'fuck me' button instead of poke


I think there is one already...it should be right next to this key on your keyboard...




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Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 2:48:41 AM

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gav wrote:
For some of us, our time here on Lush is limited. If I see a story of interest on the home page, or coming through my friends feed (from a story submission, a comment or a score) I want to be able to add this to my "Read it later" queue.

I want to be able to easily add stories to my queue and have the option for them to be emailed to me for offline reading. As soon as they are emailed, or read they are to be removed from my queue. My friends can see what I have in my queue.

Possible?

confused1


oh I would love to have that and 1-10 voting system seems very reasonable
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Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:58:03 AM

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I often wonder why it's so common for every complaint anyone has anymore to be met with, essentially, "Fuck it! There's nothing you can do about it. Lay down and let the assholes win. Don't bother coming up with a solution. Don't let it bother you even though someone is repeatedly spoiling your fun."

I don't know if it comes across the same way to others, but that's the way that it always sounds to me.



The reviews are in. Here's what people are saying about FicklePickleTickle:
"BestCukeOnTheVine" - LusciousLola.
"Pickle juice rocks!" - curiousbutterfly.
"Pickles is really a jalapeño" - sw33tang3l
"Will someone make that guy sit down, my kids can't see the movie?!?" - Some guy in at the theater.
"Shouldn't he be wearing clothes if he's going to be in the wedding?" - Your mom.
"If FTP Eats A Pickle, Is That Cannibalism? " Nikki703
"FTP makes me wet. . ." - imhapless.
"Always thought he was dill but he's actually a sweet pickle." - kinkygirl.

LadyX
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:37:27 AM

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FicklePickleTickle wrote:
I often wonder why it's so common for every complaint anyone has anymore to be met with, essentially, "Fuck it! There's nothing you can do about it. Lay down and let the assholes win. Don't bother coming up with a solution. Don't let it bother you even though someone is repeatedly spoiling your fun."

I don't know if it comes across the same way to others, but that's the way that it always sounds to me.



Same here. And since this issue has been brought up before, it's pretty clear that it's more a division of attitude than anything. If there's nothing that can be done, that's fine, and I suspect that's the case, unfortunately.

Anyone who emotionally invests in what they do here, and owns up to it publicly, is an easy target, so maybe that's at least one lesson to take from this. Is somebody investing too much into received votes if it really irks them to get dinged with intentionally low scores? Maybe so, but then we'd have probably picked the wrong site to not be concerned about voting, given that the whole thing is based on, and the stories judged on, quantity and value of votes. That being so, there's a pretty strong case for taking its integrity seriously, no?

This is probably my last comment on this subject. I trust those that actually turn the gears here at Lush to do what they can, and look out for the writers; they always have. But for those that fire shots back whenever the subject of votes and 3-bombing comes up: if you're going to criticize that sentiment, at least explain why you feel there's no good solution at the end of the rainbow (a la Dirty Martini) instead of just waving it off as spoiled members demanding nothing but high scores all the time. It's both the issues with voting, and the reactions to those issues, that becomes a fun-sapper for many here.
Magical_felix
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:09:06 PM

Rank: Wild at Heart

Joined: 4/3/2010
Posts: 5,666
Location: California
My last story I wrote was three bombed like 20 minutes after I hit the top author list. Was it annoying? Yes. Did I see that I had 8 5s then 2 3s and wonder to myself what the intention of those 3s were? Yeah I did. It was someone that didn't like me or someone that validates their existence by being on the top author list...

Do I want to be that person? Fuck no.

I actually start thinking about how sad a person like that must be. Do I say let them give me a 3. I got better shit to worry about. Less pathetic things to do.

I'm not calling anyone a baby for not just taking the 3s. Hell I do deserve a 3 if my mistakes distracted you too much or the story didn't make sense. But on the last one the timing was so obvious and just a little sad. I think whoever did it gets happier doing that than I get annoyed by it. Let them have their win nothing victory.



Lisa
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 1:00:22 PM

Rank: Moderator

Joined: 3/3/2009
Posts: 5,168
Location: Victoria, Australia
It’s frustrating seeing good authors receive low scores just to take them off the top spot. It’d be different if the people giving those scores included a reason for their vote. Their feedback could turn out to be valuable to a writer who takes pride in their work.

I don’t think there’s a solution here though. Any kind of competition just brings out the worst in some people. You could extend the voting range to a ten point system but that just gives those who sabotage stories more power. If the Top Authors list was removed it would still leave the “most popular” and “most viewed” tabs in each category. Unfortunately it’s all a part of competition. The majority of people involved are good sports, but there’s a small number who aren’t. I hope none of you let those people discourage you. At least you can be happy knowing they'll never be able to manipulate the Editor’s Pick category. That's based on story quality rather than the author's popularity.
BigDaddyRich
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 2:10:00 PM

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Well that's just my opinion, sorry if you don't like.

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DirtyMartini
Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 2:22:28 PM

Rank: Purveyor of Poetry & Porn

Joined: 10/19/2009
Posts: 5,849
Location: Right here on Lush Stories..., United States
Hate to go back into this voting thingy, because believe me I've heard it all before in the last two years...yes, I've been doing this before I started here on Lush...and thanks for acknowledging LadyX that I try to give a reason behind my madness...just want to add a few final thoughts...

Just to show that I have a bit of experience on the subject...I know Nic doesn't like mention of other sites, and btw Lush really is the nicest site, but here are my score tallies from the site I started on in April 2009...that site gives you the total votes...

Overall
Score:
4.232
out of 5

based on
1096 votes

130 19 64 137 746 1096

Your adjusted score is 4.369 out of 5. what is this?

I know it's not totally clear, because the graphics don't copy...but I have 130 "1" votes, 19 "2" votes, 64 "3" votes, 137 "4's" and 746 "5" votes out of 1096 total...
Here's the thing...is it clear to me that the 1 votes are simply malicious to knock me off the lists when I have more 1 votes than 2 and 3 votes combined? I think that's a fair conclusion, and I think most would agree...

Here is the thing...and I think we're all adult enough here to realize this...voting is not always an objective rational act based solely on the quality of your story...

It does not take a rocket surgeon to figure out that someone with a lot of "friends" and "fans" will tend to get more and higher votes...the opposite also holds true...
People who get involved in some "drama" on the site, whether it is in the forum or chat rooms are also targets of low votes...people use low votes as "weapons" against authors...

The worst, most deplorable act I've seen in my time on Lush happened in early 2010. At the time, the scores that someone gave a story were still visible on a members profile page, that changed shortly after this incident btw...

Another member apparently had a grudge against Bunny12 for some reason or another, and this "person" (I use that term loosely) decided to take out their anger by attacking Bunny's stories with 2 votes across the board...I noticed it because the attacker happened to be on my friends list at the time, and the votes showed up on my friend's activity screen...

I went to the attacker's profile page and used a screen capture program to record the activity...I sent a copy to Bunny and about 20 other authors I knew on the site I thought should be aware...
That "person" is long gone...Thank God...

The point is, votes are caste for a variety of reasons...the people who vote are not always paid professionals with high moral standards...
If you want a more objective rating for your stories, post on a site where you have no "friends" or forum posts...and there are sites with no voting or Top Author lists...

But, I can tell you, it's less fun...it does feel good to get up on the list...even if only for a few days...


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