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Jacknife
Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:17:12 AM

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Simple test.
I would like everyone who has posted on the latest threads to state something about themselves and their, political standing, religious beliefs etc. Then state a piece of evidence that if it could be shown would cause you to rethink your position. It only needs to be one thing as I'm sure their will be plenty of overlap and I would like everyone to have a chance. I know there are lots of things I can imagine that would make me change my mind

I will go first

I'm an atheist and have come to that conclusion through thought, evidence and observations of life the universe.

I would rethink my position if one of the Bronze age books of a religion transmitted information that could not possibly be known by the authors at the time. Ie the bible says something like "and the lord created the light, which he chose would move at 299,792,458 metres per second, and it illuminated the world"

or the Koran said "and Allah created the Sun, which he decided he wanted to be powered by the fusing of hydrogen into helium,"

The words of course wouldn't make sense to the primitive men, but would therefore prove that they must have been given by some higher intelligence. While this would not prove a supernatural component it would certainly be an option to consider.
Rembacher
Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:41:47 AM

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Great thread idea! I'm going to have to think about my answer for this, and come back later.
Guest
Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:45:28 AM

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ohhh i love this. truly thought provoking. like jeb i think im gonna let it percolate and come back.

bravo jackknife :)
LadyX
Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:23:08 AM

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I believe that a more socialistic system would serve us well here in the US. I believe that if people could get over this selfish mindset that all taxes are bad and the 'gubmit' better keep their hands out of our pockets, that society in general would be better off, people would be happier, and we could eliminate a reality where our own citizens go hungry and without a roof over their heads. The dollars spent probably are not that drastically different for many who struggle to pay for health care, insurance, and basic retirement out of pocket. Who would pay more? The wealthiest one percent; and some politicians have the audacity to cry foul at that group of people contributing more dollars directly toward those in the most need.

I would rethink this if I saw concrete proof or at least solid evidence that government-mandated universal health care, pensions, benefits (including maternity and paternity leave), and stricter regulations on business practices truly wouldn't allow our middle class to survive and expand, our poorest to have a place to live and something to feed their families, and improve overall productivity throughout the whole country.
Rembacher
Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:35:53 PM

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I believe that health care costs per person are lower when the government controls them because the government does not look to make a profit off the health of its people. To be convinced otherwise, I would need to see a country with an entirely privatized health care industry which does not have higher costs than a similar quality public system.
Guest
Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 6:40:12 PM

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ive thought about this all day...and really what jackknife said is my biggest soap box and i totally agree with him...even if the books mentioned the dinosaurs id give them more credence.

so i had to take stock...what do i believe? im an atheist, but like i said thats been done and a evolutionist but that sort of fits that same theme

so i decided to do pro life vs pro choice. i am pro choice and while i used to believe life was life once the fetus was self sustaining. however, due to an early ultra sound that showed my daughter leaping about in my womb at 11 weeks i have changed my thinking somewhat.

so then, what could make me change my mind that life starts at conception? i talked with a friend of mine who is pro life and believes its conception that begins life so i asked him why he felt that way because at conception we are still just a cluster of cells and he said "because it grows. a plant is a cluster of cells too and yet we still call it alive" i thought this was a great point and one i could agree with. so ok. i could maybe get behind that idea over time.

but it would it make me think that a woman should not be able to control what happens to her own body? no. i have to honestly say not. no woman should be forced to play host to any type of parasite, even if it is a human one. so thanks to my friend i would, maybe, over time,be able change my thinking that life begins at conception but so far nothing i can think of would make me change my mind that abortions should be illegal as it is her body and it is for her to say what happens to it and NOT some government entity.
FicklePickleTickle
Posted: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:12:14 PM

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I'm going to choose one already done, but provide my own personal answer.

I now consider myself an atheist. I was once a devout unquestioning christian, a true-believer. I eventually became agnostic, a not-sure-what-to-believer. :) I've since "graduated" (for lack of a better word) into being an atheist, a non-believer. [Before this gets off track with another semantic fallacy like in another topic; "non-believer" is in the dictionary, therefore non-belief is a correct to say. Yes, a person can not believe in something.]

What could change my mind is "God, Himself" telling me "Himself" that "He" is real. I prayed for years & years for even a sign and there was not so much as a peep from "Him".

It's not up to me to believe when there is no reason to do so. I gave him 20 years to show himself. The burden of proof is now in his court.

To paraphrase a famous quote:

When you fully understand why you don't believe in gods like; Shiva, Odin, Thor, Zeus, Buddha, etc, etc.; you will then truly understand why I don't believe in your judeo-christian god anymore.

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Jacknife
Posted: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:20:33 AM

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FicklePickleTickle wrote:
I'm going to choose one already done, but provide my own personal answer.

I now consider myself an atheist. I was once a devout unquestioning christian, a true-believer. I eventually became agnostic, a not-sure-what-to-believer. :) I've since "graduated" (for lack of a better word) into being an atheist, a non-believer. [Before this gets off track with another semantic fallacy like in another topic; "non-believer" is in the dictionary, therefore non-belief is a correct to say. Yes, a person can not believe in something.]

What could change my mind is "God, Himself" telling me "Himself" that "He" is real. I prayed for years & years for even a sign and there was not so much as a peep from "Him".

It's not up to me to believe when there is no reason to do so. I gave him 20 years to show himself. The burden of proof is now in his court.

To paraphrase a famous quote:

When you fully understand why you don't believe in gods like; Shiva, Odin, Thor, Zeus, Buddha, etc, etc.; you will then truly understand why I don't believe in your judeo-christian god anymore.


Sorry when I said it only had to be one thing, I meant more the reasons not the description of yourself. I.e I wouldn't mind if everyone says they were an atheist, I would just prefer their reason or evidence for changing their mind to be different,

Should have made that clearer.
FicklePickleTickle
Posted: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:14:41 AM

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I think you were clear. I just had something nagging me inside, telling me to post on a different subject. It was all me. :P

The reviews are in. Here's what people are saying about FicklePickleTickle:
"BestCukeOnTheVine" - LusciousLola.
"Pickle juice rocks!" - curiousbutterfly.
"Pickles is really a jalapeño" - sw33tang3l
"Will someone make that guy sit down, my kids can't see the movie?!?" - Some guy in at the theater.
"Shouldn't he be wearing clothes if he's going to be in the wedding?" - Your mom.
"If FTP Eats A Pickle, Is That Cannibalism? " Nikki703
"FTP makes me wet. . ." - imhapless.
"Always thought he was dill but he's actually a sweet pickle." - kinkygirl.

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