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WellMadeMale
Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:35:17 PM

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The new research doesn't address the question of panspermia, the not entirely crazy idea that life arrived on our planet fully formed as viruses or bacteria that developed on another world. If that turns out to be the case — if we find microbes on Mars or on a meteorite, for example, with DNA identical to ours — we might face the disturbing fact that we're the contamination on a formerly pristine planet.

What the new research does is reinforce an idea that astronomers and biologists — and, increasingly, the people who call themselves astrobiologists — find very convincing: since the raw materials of life are common in the universe, and since we now know that planets are common as well, it's hard to imagine how the Milky Way could not be teeming with life. Our species may continue to be special in a lot of ways — but perhaps a little less so than we thought.




Most intelligent people are introspective and doubt themselves while many fucktards are proudly over-confident. - a tip of the hat to Charles Bukowski
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:46:14 PM

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WellMadeMale wrote:
If that turns out to be the case — if we find microbes on Mars or on a meteorite, for example, with DNA identical to ours — we might face the disturbing fact that we're the contamination on a formerly pristine planet.



Exactly. And we're doing the same to this one.
nazhinaz
Posted: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:29:28 AM

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My dear Dancing Doll and others who venture to post their opinion on this issue; may I ask?
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO A COBBLER TO GET YOUR TOOTH EXTRACTED?
Obviously NO.
If you wanna understand Evolution; Please, Please go to the dentist and not a cobbler.
I don't mean to insult any profession; but please understand that every knowledge (Science) has been specialized because of hugely and daily addition to every branch of knowledge.
Please understand that now there can't be an all knowing Socrattes or Plato.
Even Einstein, the greatest scientist of the Millinieum was a Mathmetican and a Physicist.
He would have told you to go to a pharmacist if your asked him about Penecillin.
Go to the Specialist.
Learn what is the process of evolution, as known to the mankind by now.
Well, sure, we need to know much more, but the path of finding still greater evidence and knowledge has been laid.
IT IS PROCESS OF EVOLUTION.
If you don't follow that; well, there are human beings still, who create idols with their own hands and yet worship them.
One can't do much for those who are not prepared to go forth and learn.
Dancing_Doll
Posted: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:39:48 PM

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nazhinaz wrote:
My dear Dancing Doll and others who venture to post their opinion on this issue; may I ask?
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO TO A COBBLER TO GET YOUR TOOTH EXTRACTED?
Obviously NO.
If you wanna understand Evolution; Please, Please go to the dentist and not a cobbler.
I don't mean to insult any profession; but please understand that every knowledge (Science) has been specialized because of hugely and daily addition to every branch of knowledge.
Please understand that now there can't be an all knowing Socrattes or Plato.
Even Einstein, the greatest scientist of the Millinieum was a Mathmetican and a Physicist.
He would have told you to go to a pharmacist if your asked him about Penecillin.
Go to the Specialist.
Learn what is the process of evolution, as known to the mankind by now.
Well, sure, we need to know much more, but the path of finding still greater evidence and knowledge has been laid.
IT IS PROCESS OF EVOLUTION.
If you don't follow that; well, there are human beings still, who create idols with their own hands and yet worship them.
One can't do much for those who are not prepared to go forth and learn.


Uhmm... What??

I don't understand the point of this post or how it relates to my skepticism of the Star Child or Pye's theories. Or have you completely misread my posts and decided that I am anti-evolution?

I highlighted your line about creating/believing in idols because I believe this gets dangerous when we put our faith into unproven, unscientific theories about the origins of man. Not everything is known, agreed (this statement by itself will always be an impossibility). But we do rely on substantiated scientific theories in so far as evidence has been provided... And we reject the hocus-pocus bullshit of some guy selling a theory because he found a weird looking skull that he refuses to hand over to neutral, unbiased labs for testing, and is now basing his own money-making business around it. That's what I call 'false idol worship'.

My mind (and science) is always open. But we need a standard of scientific proof to give credibility to a theory if we are to go past what we understand about evolution today. 'Til then, it's just guesswork, con artists, cults and bullshit.

nazhinaz
Posted: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:19:56 PM

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Dancing Doll;
I tried to convey that the future researh in the issue of origin and development of life in confined to ONE DIRECTION; Evolution.
It is a scientifically proven fact now. Hardly a theory. It is as much a theory as Einstein's Theory of Relativity & General theory of relativity. Both have been proved beyond any shadow of doubt and all further research is based on it.
Similarly, Darwin's evolution has been proved beyond doubt. Scientifically fossiles, mutations, genetics, DNA all add up to prove & strengthen that evolution is the general direction to which all energies should be focused to understand the origin and development of life and various forms of life. Hubble, Big Bang and other experiements being carried out through out the scientific world are all uni directional- Evolution is the basic foundation stone of the origin and development of life.
My sentence highlighted by you is vividly clear. If any one wants his faith to rule over the scientific proofs, well then they do & can create their idols with their own hands & worship it and no one can object to their beliefs.
You can hardly challenge any belief, while a scientific formulation can always be challenged, disputed and even rejected.
To the effort to present alternative so called theories of Star Child & Pye theories, sufficient to say that such efforts are designed to create a foggy outlook for the future of scientific investigation and bring back people to faith based understand. Such efforts shall always continue.
May I point out that even now, when it has been proved beyond doubt that the Skies do not exist and it is just the limitation of the eye sight, theology teaches our children that the GOD created Seven Skies (Heavens) and 7 Earths in 7 days.
Those who haave an axe to grind with such faith based beliefs, they shall always try to make the scientific investigations look foggy, doubtful and unbelievable.
Scientific investigations begins with a declaration with we do not have full knowledge but we seek and shall continue to seek knowledge in a certain direction. This is the scientific approach. Not like a heavenly book declaring that GOD the infalliable created Heaves and earths in 7 days. Put your belief in it or you are destined to hell.
Beware of unscientific approaches as they push you to the path of belief based confused thinking, pulling away from scientific investigative understanding and approach.
fish1212
Posted: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:49:16 PM

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Does this mean we are all going to die?

I fail to see the significance and passion of this argument/thread.

What we are talking about is who/what was the big bang that got the ball bouncing. Why should we give a rat’s ass? Certainly something got the ball rolling, does it really matter other than dotting the i’s & crossing the T’s whether it was the big guy in the sky who bounced it out in 7 days or the bacteria infested asteroid or the big volcanic burp. Evolution is indeed a science that traces how organisms have changed and modified to suit the environment they occupy but then so has the auto industry, what’s so profound about that?

The concept of infinity is what is so hard to absorb, humans have about as much chance of understanding infinity and time as a dog does multiplication tables. My personal belief is that our entire existence of billions of years and all the knowledge, our universe, scientific discoveries, etc etc, ever accumulated by anything anywhere, is contained in nothing more than a drip of water from some cosmic faucet on its way to its inevitable splat in the sink. Our only hope is that the length from the faucet to sink will allow us another few zillion eons of time.

nazhinaz
Posted: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:07:29 AM

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My dear fish1212,
Why is it that every thing, person or action (Big Bang) should have a starting button pushed by a finger, mortal or immoratal?
If there was a big finger to pres the button; wherefrom that finger came? Well, all forms of life has to transform into another form, may not be life again, but another form of matter or energy.
Even mountains, stars, planets, all are dying even at this moment, as almost every Galaxy, including ours, has a black hole.
What is a black hole? Its a different story. But they pull & put stars to death as when stars come closer to black holes, they rotate ( because of the great & Massive gravity of black hole) at a speed greater then light,
i.e. 300,000 K.M. per second and thus no process can be seen.
What is presumed as yet is that all matter transforms into energy. Maybe this energy again transforms into matter.
Well, I won't ask you to go into further details of it as it is a scary movie.
But all life has to change into another form, including that of man and this World is predicted to last habitable for humans for another mere 6 billion years.
Well, lets not dabble into that. Lets leave it to posterity.
For now, you & me, all of us, including our cherished GOD has to die.
Perhaps he died much earlier, when the knowledge started transending borders and limits of time and space.
This is a reality & we must all face it squarely.
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