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yellowdragon
Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:12:15 AM

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I have an idea for an interracial story idea here which most people will find rather novel because it involves an Asian men bedding Caucasian women rather than vice versa. The central character is from Vietnam or China and is the extremely handsome and wealthy playboy son of a tycoon who has dubious dealings with the Asian triads. Upon turning 18, he is set overseas to study in Australia. Now ever since he was a young teen, he has been fascinated by the beauty of the plump and voluptuous Caucasian beauties that he has seen on internet porn sites. The fact that such women are practically non-existent in his own country only serves to add to their appeal. Naturally, upon arriving in Australia, he quickly sets about seducing numerous Aussie females who are fascinated by both his good looks as well as his obvious wealth. They include his classmates, casual acquaintances and even many housewives. Very soon, being as business savvy as his father, he decides to start his own porn site which stars him and his local sexual conquests. These films find a huge audience in numerous Asian nations. He makes both himself as well his lovers plenty of money and is encouraged in this by his father who appreciates his son’s initiative. Eventually, he decides that he wants to move to the U.K where he can tap into the larger Chinese market there for his productions. In the U.K, he finds it even easier to seduce the local Caucasian women since they find him infinitely preferable to the local British men who tend to be rather overweight and boorish. I guess the question that I’m asking is that would anyone enjoy reading this story? Also, would anyone find it racially offensive? Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 5:48:04 AM

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Autobiographical?

You have already started off with stereotypical remarks about both Aussies and British people, that's going to instantly put a lot of people off.

Comments like "British men who tend to be rather overweight and boorish" will instantly ostracise you from potential readers in the British Isles.

To be brutally honest, it sounds like a rich kids fantasy. You might also consider adding paragraphs to your story if you're to proceed.

Great soft shell crab over in Singapore, I must go back there soon, the shopping is wonderful too.
yellowdragon
Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 7:44:43 AM

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nicola wrote:
Autobiographical?

You have already started off with stereotypical remarks about both Aussies and British people, that's going to instantly put a lot of people off.

Comments like "British men who tend to be rather overweight and boorish" will instantly ostracise you from potential readers in the British Isles.

To be brutally honest, it sounds like a rich kids fantasy. You might also consider adding paragraphs to your story if you're to proceed.

Great soft shell crab over in Singapore, I must go back there soon, the shopping is wonderful too.


Point taken about the negative stereotypes. I apologise for considering using them up but they're used so commonly in erotica, especially with regard to racial minorities (eg:thuggish blacks, whimpy Asian men, etc.), that I thought they were more or less acceptable. Also, with regard to Aussies, what negative stereotypes exactly did I raise? If you point them out, I'll refrain from using them as well. And yeah, it is a fantasy but then again, that's true with most erotic stories. However, is there any way that I can make it less revolting to one's sensibilities, if you will? Again, thanks.
yellowdragon
Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 7:46:44 AM

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nicola wrote:
Autobiographical?

You have already started off with stereotypical remarks about both Aussies and British people, that's going to instantly put a lot of people off.

Comments like "British men who tend to be rather overweight and boorish" will instantly ostracise you from potential readers in the British Isles.

To be brutally honest, it sounds like a rich kids fantasy. You might also consider adding paragraphs to your story if you're to proceed.

Great soft shell crab over in Singapore, I must go back there soon, the shopping is wonderful too.


BTW, the part about British men being overweight and boorish is actually an opinion voiced by this British girl that I know. I personally do not hold this opinion and apologise for any offence that I have caused.
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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:06:12 AM

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yellowdragon wrote:


Point taken about the negative stereotypes. I apologise for considering using them up but they're used so commonly in erotica, especially with regard to racial minorities (eg:thuggish blacks, whimpy Asian men, etc.), that I thought they were more or less acceptable. Also, with regard to Aussies, what negative stereotypes exactly did I raise? If you point them out, I'll refrain from using them as well. And yeah, it is a fantasy but then again, that's true with most erotic stories. However, is there any way that I can make it less revolting to one's sensibilities, if you will? Again, thanks.


It might be your liberal use of derogatory adjectives to describe every ethnicity or culture on the planet? What is erotic about racism, Chief? And what erotica have you been reading? 6

Does the John Birch website have an erotica section?

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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:15:58 AM

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yellowdragon wrote:

Point taken about the negative stereotypes. I apologise for considering using them up but they're used so commonly in erotica,


I do agree with your point there...for instance, you never read a an erotic story with an Asian guy with a 12 inch cock...there's a new angle for ya'...

I think Nicola's point is that you don't have to add to it by creating stereotypes about Brits and Aussies, etc...

And btw, be especially careful about what you say about Aussies around here...and no, they don't all ride kangaroos to work...I made the mistake of saying that a couple of years ago, and I still haven't lived it down...

Hey, what did I know?


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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:53:20 AM

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Do I need to quit promoting the stereotype that all Ausse women have delicious tight asses, big boobs. long blond hair and gorgeous faces? Maybe I should toss in a few sexy dark haired ladies?



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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:13:41 AM

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As a Briton, I was mildly offended by that particular stereotype that you introduced somewhat unnecessarily - think about arguments for your protagonist (play on the foreign, exotic thing) rather than against his competition. Maybe it was the fact that you coupled it with that phrase, "infinitely preferable."

I think the nature of your main character ("extremely handsome and wealthy playboy son of a tycoon") might take away from the appeal of such a story because he is not relatable (and he sounds like a bit of a dick). The whole thing sounds more like a high-end porn script than an erotic story.

Wouldn't be my cup of tea.

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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:35:43 PM

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nicola wrote:


Great soft shell crab over in Singapore, I must go back there soon, the shopping is wonderful too.




Great soft shell crabs here in Maryland too. In between a couple pieces of white bread and some will call it a gourmet meal.
yellowdragon
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:32:54 AM

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clum wrote:
As a Briton, I was mildly offended by that particular stereotype that you introduced somewhat unnecessarily - think about arguments for your protagonist (play on the foreign, exotic thing) rather than against his competition. Maybe it was the fact that you coupled it with that phrase, "infinitely preferable."

I think the nature of your main character ("extremely handsome and wealthy playboy son of a tycoon") might take away from the appeal of such a story because he is not relatable (and he sounds like a bit of a dick). The whole thing sounds more like a high-end porn script than an erotic story.

Wouldn't be my cup of tea.


I'm afraid that I have been too exposed to the wrong type of erotica which resulted in this rather inflamatory thread. In fact, I currently feel like an idiot. Is there any way at all that I could create a somewhat decent story WITHOUT offending anyone? Once again, thanks.

P.S:Also,is there any way that I could keep the positive stereotypes while tossing out the negative ones?
yellowdragon
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:34:00 AM

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DirtyMartini wrote:
yellowdragon wrote:

Point taken about the negative stereotypes. I apologise for considering using them up but they're used so commonly in erotica,


I do agree with your point there...for instance, you never read a an erotic story with an Asian guy with a 12 inch cock...there's a new angle for ya'...

I think Nicola's point is that you don't have to add to it by creating stereotypes about Brits and Aussies, etc...

And btw, be especially careful about what you say about Aussies around here...and no, they don't all ride kangaroos to work...I made the mistake of saying that a couple of years ago, and I still haven't lived it down...

Hey, what did I know?


Yes, I've been a moron about the whole thing. Once again, I apologise.
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Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:38:33 PM

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I actually don't mind stereotypes... movies, porn and pop culture is filled with them. You've got the blonde socialite (Paris Hilton), the bumbling englishman (Hugh Grant), the cerebral wise asian guy (Mr Miyagi).

I just think it depends on the way you write the story. Sometimes you can use stereotypes to add a satirical or humorous bent to the plot. I think it's also important to give these over the top perfect characters (the rich, gorgeous and charming ones) a few flaws to make them more realistic and relatable and prevent the dreaded sinkhole of writing by creating a 'Mary Sue' character.

I would rather see a story about a mysterious, brooding asian MMA fighter sent overseas on the training/fight circuit than a cheesey faux-007 playboy. When it comes to sex and erotica, I think a dark and angsty past and a bit of bad boy edge is definitely going to make him a hotter ticket than just superficial wealth, tuxedos and good looks.

Just ideas... Don't be discouraged Yellowdragon! In the end, it's all about the quality of the writing and the story... and you have to be invested in both. Just start writing and see where it takes you! icon_smile

yellowdragon
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:36:54 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
I actually don't mind stereotypes... movies, porn and pop culture is filled with them. You've got the blonde socialite (Paris Hilton), the bumbling englishman (Hugh Grant), the cerebral wise asian guy (Mr Miyagi).

I just think it depends on the way you write the story. Sometimes you can use stereotypes to add a satirical or humorous bent to the plot. I think it's also important to give these over the top perfect characters (the rich, gorgeous and charming ones) a few flaws to make them more realistic and relatable and prevent the dreaded sinkhole of writing by creating a 'Mary Sue' character.

I would rather see a story about a mysterious, brooding asian MMA fighter sent overseas on the training/fight circuit than a cheesey faux-007 playboy. When it comes to sex and erotica, I think a dark and angsty past and a bit of bad boy edge is definitely going to make him a hotter ticket than just superficial wealth, tuxedos and good looks.

Just ideas... Don't be discouraged Yellowdragon! In the end, it's all about the quality of the writing and the story... and you have to be invested in both. Just start writing and see where it takes you! icon_smile

Hey, I actually like your idea a lot. Would it be okay with you if I were to ''poach'' it? Thanks!
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Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:50:16 PM

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yellowdragon wrote:
Dancing_Doll wrote:
I actually don't mind stereotypes... movies, porn and pop culture is filled with them. You've got the blonde socialite (Paris Hilton), the bumbling englishman (Hugh Grant), the cerebral wise asian guy (Mr Miyagi).

I just think it depends on the way you write the story. Sometimes you can use stereotypes to add a satirical or humorous bent to the plot. I think it's also important to give these over the top perfect characters (the rich, gorgeous and charming ones) a few flaws to make them more realistic and relatable and prevent the dreaded sinkhole of writing by creating a 'Mary Sue' character.

I would rather see a story about a mysterious, brooding asian MMA fighter sent overseas on the training/fight circuit than a cheesey faux-007 playboy. When it comes to sex and erotica, I think a dark and angsty past and a bit of bad boy edge is definitely going to make him a hotter ticket than just superficial wealth, tuxedos and good looks.

Just ideas... Don't be discouraged Yellowdragon! In the end, it's all about the quality of the writing and the story... and you have to be invested in both. Just start writing and see where it takes you! icon_smile

Hey, I actually like your idea a lot. Would it be okay with you if I were to ''poach'' it? Thanks!


For sure, go for it! I look forward to reading it! :)

yellowdragon
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 7:14:32 PM

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In terms of using stereotypes, I'd like to emphasize how the protagonist used his prowess in the sack to amaze his sexual conquests, especially the married ones, who had hitherto never seen Asian men in a sexual light. Also, he he finds himself mesmerized by the beauty of the Caucasian women in both Australia and the U.K. Are these examples of stereotypes that you would like to see, Dancing_Doll? Again, thanks. I'd also like to retain the porn element but I'm not sure how to go about it. Maybe he decides to make those porn tapes at the request of his lovers who later go on to sell them.
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yellowdragon wrote:
In terms of using stereotypes, I'd like to emphasize how the protagonist used his prowess in the sack to amaze his sexual conquests, especially the married ones, who had hitherto never seen Asian men in a sexual light.


Yeah, this would be a solid stereotype (and correct assumption among most girls I know actually... LOL).

Maybe his physicality, discipline and strength through MMA will give him that edge in bed to wow his conquests? You could play on that idea.
And maybe his lovers want the porn tapes because they are MMA groupies and he's a big star.

Anyway... just thinking out loud. Am a bit drunk, so don't take this as the perfect plot recipe for a winning story. Regaeman Man

Ultimately it's your story, so just work with what turns you on. Don't worry too much about stereotypes but more on developing the characters so that they don't become totally cliche. Get over the 2-dimensional character types and make them complex.

Have fun with it! :)

yellowdragon
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Dancing_Doll wrote:
yellowdragon wrote:
In terms of using stereotypes, I'd like to emphasize how the protagonist used his prowess in the sack to amaze his sexual conquests, especially the married ones, who had hitherto never seen Asian men in a sexual light.


Yeah, this would be a solid stereotype (and correct assumption among most girls I know actually... LOL).

Maybe his physicality, discipline and strength through MMA will give him that edge in bed to wow his conquests? You could play on that idea.
And maybe his lovers want the porn tapes because they are MMA groupies and he's a big star.

Anyway... just thinking out loud. Am a bit drunk, so don't take this as the perfect plot recipe for a winning story. Regaeman Man

Ultimately it's your story, so just work with what turns you on. Don't worry too much about stereotypes but more on developing the characters so that they don't become totally cliche. Get over the 2-dimensional character types and make them complex.

Have fun with it! :)


You may be intoxicated right now but I still think that your ideas are excellent and certainly intend to use them. Once again, thanks!
yellowdragon
Posted: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:47:37 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
yellowdragon wrote:
In terms of using stereotypes, I'd like to emphasize how the protagonist used his prowess in the sack to amaze his sexual conquests, especially the married ones, who had hitherto never seen Asian men in a sexual light.


Yeah, this would be a solid stereotype (and correct assumption among most girls I know actually... LOL).

Maybe his physicality, discipline and strength through MMA will give him that edge in bed to wow his conquests? You could play on that idea.
And maybe his lovers want the porn tapes because they are MMA groupies and he's a big star.

Anyway... just thinking out loud. Am a bit drunk, so don't take this as the perfect plot recipe for a winning story. Regaeman Man

Ultimately it's your story, so just work with what turns you on. Don't worry too much about stereotypes but more on developing the characters so that they don't become totally cliche. Get over the 2-dimensional character types and make them complex.

Have fun with it! :)


As far as the stereotype about Asian men being generally sexually undesirable, I just came across a posting which suggests that the situation may be somewhat different in Australia. So there's a negative stereotype in the States vs. a more positive one in Australia. Not sure which one I should incorporate though..


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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:26:48 AM

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yellowdragon wrote:
Is there any way at all that I could create a somewhat decent story WITHOUT offending anyone?


Probably not...in general, anytime you write anything, someone out there will be offended...believe me, quite a few people are offended by stories in the most popular categories here on Lush...namely incest and reluctance...

You just try not to offend whole countries or continents unnecessarily...happy8


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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:40:39 AM

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yellowdragon wrote:
I have an idea for an interracial story idea here which most people will find rather novel because it involves an Asian men bedding Caucasian women rather than vice versa. The central character is from Vietnam or China and is the extremely handsome and wealthy playboy son of a tycoon who has dubious dealings with the Asian triads. Upon turning 18, he is set overseas to study in Australia. Now ever since he was a young teen, he has been fascinated by the beauty of the plump and voluptuous Caucasian beauties that he has seen on internet porn sites. The fact that such women are practically non-existent in his own country only serves to add to their appeal. Naturally, upon arriving in Australia, he quickly sets about seducing numerous Aussie females who are fascinated by both his good looks as well as his obvious wealth. They include his classmates, casual acquaintances and even many housewives. Very soon, being as business savvy as his father, he decides to start his own porn site which stars him and his local sexual conquests. These films find a huge audience in numerous Asian nations. He makes both himself as well his lovers plenty of money and is encouraged in this by his father who appreciates his son’s initiative. Eventually, he decides that he wants to move to the U.K where he can tap into the larger Chinese market there for his productions. In the U.K, he finds it even easier to seduce the local Caucasian women since they find him infinitely preferable to the local British men who tend to be rather overweight and boorish. I guess the question that I’m asking is that would anyone enjoy reading this story? Also, would anyone find it racially offensive? Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.


I, for one, am glad you have thought out your story in such detail. But I do have to ask, is this a story for Lush or for a novel? As a story verifier for lush, I can honestly say that readers do appreciate detail, but not too much.

If you are concerned about insulting people (and I do agree that at the moment there are too many stereotypes in your brief), do you have to write an 'interracial' story? Would you be happy keeping your original idea minus the races?

eg.

Quote:
I have an idea for an story. The central character is an extremely handsome and wealthy playboy son of a tycoon. Upon turning 18, he is set overseas to study in Australia. Now ever since he was a young teen, he has been fascinated by internet porn sites. Arriving in Australia, he quickly sets about seducing numerous females who are fascinated by both his good looks as well as his obvious wealth. They include his classmates, casual acquaintances and even many housewives. Very soon, being as business savvy as his father, he decides to start his own porn site which stars him and his local sexual conquests. These films find a huge audience. He makes both himself as well his lovers plenty of money and is encouraged in this by his father who appreciates his son’s initiative. Eventually, he decides that he wants to move to the U.K...


Without all the stereotyping, this could be a rather interesting serial story.







yellowdragon
Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:34:18 AM

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Fugly wrote:
yellowdragon wrote:
I have an idea for an interracial story idea here which most people will find rather novel because it involves an Asian men bedding Caucasian women rather than vice versa. The central character is from Vietnam or China and is the extremely handsome and wealthy playboy son of a tycoon who has dubious dealings with the Asian triads. Upon turning 18, he is set overseas to study in Australia. Now ever since he was a young teen, he has been fascinated by the beauty of the plump and voluptuous Caucasian beauties that he has seen on internet porn sites. The fact that such women are practically non-existent in his own country only serves to add to their appeal. Naturally, upon arriving in Australia, he quickly sets about seducing numerous Aussie females who are fascinated by both his good looks as well as his obvious wealth. They include his classmates, casual acquaintances and even many housewives. Very soon, being as business savvy as his father, he decides to start his own porn site which stars him and his local sexual conquests. These films find a huge audience in numerous Asian nations. He makes both himself as well his lovers plenty of money and is encouraged in this by his father who appreciates his son’s initiative. Eventually, he decides that he wants to move to the U.K where he can tap into the larger Chinese market there for his productions. In the U.K, he finds it even easier to seduce the local Caucasian women since they find him infinitely preferable to the local British men who tend to be rather overweight and boorish. I guess the question that I’m asking is that would anyone enjoy reading this story? Also, would anyone find it racially offensive? Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.


I, for one, am glad you have thought out your story in such detail. But I do have to ask, is this a story for Lush or for a novel? As a story verifier for lush, I can honestly say that readers do appreciate detail, but not too much.

If you are concerned about insulting people (and I do agree that at the moment there are too many stereotypes in your brief), do you have to write an 'interracial' story? Would you be happy keeping your original idea minus the races?

eg.

[quote]I have an idea for an story. The central character is an extremely handsome and wealthy playboy son of a tycoon. Upon turning 18, he is set overseas to study in Australia. Now ever since he was a young teen, he has been fascinated by internet porn sites. Arriving in Australia, he quickly sets about seducing numerous females who are fascinated by both his good looks as well as his obvious wealth. They include his classmates, casual acquaintances and even many housewives. Very soon, being as business savvy as his father, he decides to start his own porn site which stars him and his local sexual conquests. These films find a huge audience. He makes both himself as well his lovers plenty of money and is encouraged in this by his father who appreciates his son’s initiative. Eventually, he decides that he wants to move to the U.K...


Without all the stereotyping, this could be a rather interesting serial story.







[/quote

It was meant to be a novella of sorts, posted chapter by chapter. Also, the interracial theme is integral to the story since its central premise involves a young Asian man who finds himself deeply immersed in western culture for the first time. It's also a matter of having readers re-examine traditional sexual relations between Asians and Caucasians.
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