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littlemissbitch
Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:29:45 AM

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http://www.care2.com/causes/on-the-pill-arizona-gop-think-that-should-cost-you-your-job.html

i dont know tons about politics...and i dont pretend to. but this just PISSED me off today!

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sprite
Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:32:54 AM

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I just read that today too. I suggest we amend the bill so that wearing a condom or taking viagra also costs you your job. i can't say WTF loudly enough to even justify my feelings right now. how about if we just make sex illegal? Oh, and yes, that does include masturbation.

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:33:53 AM

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Arizona Republicans have heard the call to up the assault on women’s rights and answered with a proposed new law that would give employers the power to request that women prescribed birth control pills provide proof that they are using the pills for non-sexual health reasons.


No worries, anybody. Republicans aren't anti-women's equality! Don't believe the hype. They love women...as long as they knew their place. I wonder if they have the "way-back time machine" operational yet. 1952 here we come!

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:42:24 AM

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you know what? im old fashioned. i do believe once we become mothers we should stay home at least the first 5 years and raise our kids. i like cooking for my family ... but ill be fucking DAMNED if someone tells me what i HAVE to do or not do. have they met me?? clearly not. women need to seriously revolt. i am beyond freaking pissed off. when the fuck did we become this..this hyper religious hyper christian nation??



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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:49:54 AM

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littlemissbitch wrote:
when the fuck did we become this..this hyper religious hyper christian nation??


The hows and whys of this Republican assault on sexual freedom is a fascinating subject to me. I'm not sure there's a specific time when it started...it's probably worthy of it's own thread.

As for this...yes, there's really no disputing what's going on movement-wise in the Republican party. Their nose is wide open on women's rights at this point; they can hide behind all the bibles and first-amendment screeches they want, but the proof is in the rhetoric, in the dog-whistle politics, and now, in proposed legislation.

Good luck, a**holes. Take your 'moral majority' and shove it up your a**. I don't care how much debt you say you'll cut or what doomsday scenarios you want to paint about those dastardly liberals, stay out of my personal life, and if I have anything to do with it, stay the hell out of elected office!

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sprite
Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:53:48 AM

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i am renewing my BC prescrip on general principal. fuckers. no, really, this is really starting to piss me off. if a single woman votes for one of these assholes or a bill like this, i say we kick her out of the girl club. sorry, i am NOT in think tank mood today - i just feeling like ranting.

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lafayettemister
Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:54:40 AM

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I'm reading the bill now. It's in legal jargon so it's a bit confusing. So far I have not seen anything about terminated employment or that a woman must provide documentation of how it's used. So far what I've gleened from it is that it's the same stuff about a religious group not paying for birth control. Interestingly, the bill was sponsored by a woman.

Having said all that. If it's true what is being reported, then yes it is WAAAAAYYYY far over the line. Out of bounds and bullshit. I don't have a firm grasp on the wording yet so it's a bit fuzzy. I'm on board with not forcing the Cahtolic church to pay for birth control. But if this goes outside of those boundaries then it's over the line. A business man who happens to be Catholic cannot push his religious beliefs onto anyone working in his non-Catholic affiliated business. That is abhorent on all fronts.


edit.. here is the link to the bill. maybe someone else can decipher it a little better than i can. i keep getting interrupted and lose focus..

http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/596074





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LadyX
Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:58:24 AM

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In your defense, Rachel- there's not much to rationally discuss here, unless I'm missing something LOL. I think I might join the Democratic Party over this. The 'lesser of two evils' has been sussed out pretty clearly now.

Obama would have to do something crazy to sway me in the other direction...I mean something really nuts, like, say, discriminate based on gender, or give employers the right to monitor our sexual lifestyles...

oh wait...
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:04:10 PM

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LadyX wrote:
In your defense, Rachel- there's not much to rationally discuss here, unless I'm missing something LOL. I think I might join the Democratic Party over this. The 'lesser of two evils' has been sussed out pretty clearly now.

Obama would have to do something crazy to sway me in the other direction...I mean something really nuts, like, say, discriminate based on gender, or give employers the right to monitor our sexual lifestyles...

oh wait...


well that makes me laugh so i feel a little better now.

and LM im cool with a Catholic owned whatever not providing BC...thats fine. no one HAS to work there. but on a state level or a federal level the answer is NO. a resounding un equivocal NO!

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:06:16 PM

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i think that the next sexual revolution needs to be fought, not with words, but with weapons. somebody, get me a case of beer and a six shooter. i'm getting on my Hog and headed for Arizonia after making a quick stop at HA headquarters to pick up my body guard! those guys OWE me!

btw, i would never seriously suggest violent protest. but dammit, wtf! if Santorum, by some miracle, wins this election, i'm holing up with Doll and renouncing my US citizenship!

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:06:40 PM

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Are we totally sure this isn't a joke?

Sorry to say this, but as a Canadian, y'all are sounding kind of backward down there. happy8

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:09:08 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
Are we totally sure this isn't a joke?

Sorry to say this, but as a Canadian, y'all are sounding kind of backward down there. happy8


Hey, notice this shit isn't coming out of WA or CA or OR! *grumbles about wanting to succeed from 75% of the US and start our own West Coast Of America up*

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:09:56 PM

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From the bill....

Z. Notwithstanding subsection y of this section, a contract does not fail to meet the requirements of subsection Y of this section if the contract's failure to provide coverage of specific items or services required under subsection Y of this section is because providing or paying for coverage of the specific items or services is contrary to the religious beliefs of the employer, sponsor, issuer, corporation or other entity offering the plan or is because the coverage is contrary to the religious beliefs of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.� If an objection triggers this subsection, a written affidavit shall be filed with the corporation stating the objection.� The corporation shall retain the affidavit for the duration of the contract and any renewals of the contract. This subsection shall not exclude coverage for prescription contraceptive methods ordered by a health care provider WITH prescriptive authority for medical indications other than for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes.� A corporation, employer, sponsor, issuer or other entity offering the plan may state religious beliefs or moral convictions in its affidavit that require the subscriber to first pay for the prescription and then submit a claim to the corporation along with evidence that the prescription is not in whole or in part for a purpose covered by the objection.� A corporation may charge an administrative fee for handling these claims.

I'm in agreement with you LMB. If it ain't a church, you can't put your church views onto your employees. That would have huge HUGE potential for abuses allll over the system. I was once a very religious person but I lost my faith a long time ago. Even then I wouldn't have forced my views onto someone else. What a stupid fucking bill.





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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:11:20 PM

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I'm sorry to offend anyone, but in my personal experience, Arizona is the most backward state in the country. angry7

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:11:38 PM

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
Are we totally sure this isn't a joke?

Sorry to say this, but as a Canadian, y'all are sounding kind of backward down there. happy8


today is a day im embarrassed to be an american. and god doll i do hope its a joke and i posted too fast...because its damned unbelievable!

can someone whos good at research..hint hint xuani..figure out if its legit or not?

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Dancing_Doll wrote:
Are we totally sure this isn't a joke?

Sorry to say this, but as a Canadian, y'all are sounding kind of backward down there. happy8


No kidding. :(

I've got my whole life basically ahead of me, and now I'll be responsible for the life of another. Do I really want to spend it in Rick Santorum's America? Maybe, maybe not...but it's something I think about. The way things are aren't guaranteed to be the way things will be in the not-so-distant future, and that applies to everything.

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wow this really is fucked up, yes like LM i support that if certain religion dont aprove of certain procidures they shouldnt be paying for them, BUT this is crazy!! so if my boss decides he/she doesnt aprove of me taking the pill he/she can fire me?? whats next if he/she doesnt like that i where tampax instead of reusable modess he/she is gonna fire me also???
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To be honest, you would think an employer would PREFER that female employees be using contraceptives. Last I heard, having half your staff out on maternity leave constantly isn't the best for productivity and cost-efficiency.

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Some people have issues; clearly some people in Arizona have issues that make them excessively more noticeable then everyone else’s issues :P
I mean, I can at least see why people don’t like the abortion thing, but seriously, birth control pills are pretty much on a different level all together.

Thus, I have come up with a solution, if a girl wants to have sex, she must kick the male in the balls excessively hard if she doesn't want kids. I'm sure all the anti pill guys will agree with me that this is an excellent solution!


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littlemissbitch wrote:


can someone whos good at research..hint hint xuani..figure out if its legit or not?



ask and you shall receive. :)

http://www.votesmart.org/static/billtext/38588.pdf

The significant item here re: termination, is that they struck the following clause from the current laws on the books:

Quote:

E. A religious employer shall not discriminate against an employee who independently chooses to obtain insurance coverage or prescriptions for contraceptives from another source.
F. For the purposes of this section, "religious employer" means an entity for which all of the following apply:
1. The entity primarily employs persons who share the religious tenets of the entity.
2. The entity serves primarily persons who share the religious tenets of the entity.
3. The entity is a nonprofit organization as described in section 6033(a)(2)(A)i or iii of the internal revenue code of 1986, as amended.



The result of this, based on countless analyses and opinions, is that they can, by law, terminate a woman who uses the birth control for contraceptive, not explictly disclosed medically necessary, reasons.

This is not a joke or a dream.

Yay, America!
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magnificent1rascal wrote:
I'm sorry to offend anyone, but in my personal experience, Arizona is the most backward state in the country. angry7


y'all haven't been to all 50 states then. it gets worse.

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sprite wrote:
i think that the next sexual revolution needs to be fought, not with words, but with weapons. somebody, get me a case of beer and a six shooter. i'm getting on my Hog and headed for Arizonia after making a quick stop at HA headquarters to pick up my body guard! those guys OWE me!

btw, i would never seriously suggest violent protest. but dammit, wtf! if Santorum, by some miracle, wins this election, i'm holing up with Doll and renouncing my US citizenship!


WHOA you Americans are really effed up!


Rachel, if for some reason Ash doesn't have room for you. You're always welcome to stay with me. I do live in the burbs though. We are surrounded by pixies, butterflies, kitties and dungeons. I hope that will suffice! dog

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Whoa, major eye opener. Eh?

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WHOA you Americans are really effed up!


Rachel, if for some reason Ash doesn't have room for you. You're always welcome to stay with me. I do live in the burbs though. We are surrounded by pixies, butterflies, kitties and dungeons. I hope that will suffice! dog


ahem - hurry up and get home - it's getting cold sitting out here on your doorstep on top of my suitcase. :)

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:12:22 PM

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ahem - hurry up and get home - it's getting cold sitting out here on your doorstep on top of my suitcase. :)


wait wait! you dont have to go to cold canada! come to new mexico with me! we have giant balloons that float in the sky and we are a sane and normal state! we even give insurance to same sex couples!

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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:14:34 PM

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The result of this, based on countless analyses and opinions, is that they can, by law, terminate a woman who uses the birth control for contraceptive, not explictly disclosed medically necessary, reasons.

This is not a joke or a dream.

Yay, America!


thats what i was afraid of. thanks xuani. also, can you tell me when you will be running for office so i have plenty of time to move to your state?

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wait wait! you dont have to go to cold canada! come to new mexico with me! we have giant balloons that float in the sky and we are a sane and normal state! we even give insurance to same sex couples!



Insurance? Sorry babe, we got you beat:

On July 20, 2005, Canada became the fourth country in the world and the first country in the Americas to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide with the enactment of the Civil Marriage Act which provided a gender-neutral marriage definition.

Most areas of Canada are not that cold, and let's not forget that sexy boots and a long scarf can look pretty damn hot. :)

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ahem - hurry up and get home - it's getting cold sitting out here on your doorstep on top of my suitcase. :)


This is so rediculous it has to be true!!

Rachel, you can always move to Iceland with Ann and I. It isnt as cold as everyone thinks and it has the most amazing natural hot baths. Just think how sexy it woud be to soak in a hot spring under the Northern Lights. LOL!!

And same sex marriage is legal, as a matter of fact the PM married her GF in 2010!!
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y'all haven't been to all 50 states then. it gets worse.


yes it does. There's one state (Alabama) in which a majority of voters believes Obama is secretly Muslim, despite the fact that....well, he's not.
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ahem - hurry up and get home - it's getting cold sitting out here on your doorstep on top of my suitcase. :)


I just got home and you aren't on my doorstep crybaby

Did you call someone else to come and pick you up? Damn you Ashleigh! sad3


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