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Having being lurking around in certain areas of the forum and seen a somewhat lively debate about things like the word "hence" and "while vs whilst", it got me thinking about archaisms: words or phrases that may be considered "old" or "outdated".

Who here uses them, either in erotica, or everyday life? I do, quite a bit. Should we use them? Do they detract or add to the story or however you use them? It would be nice to see some opinions on this because I think archaisms rool! Also, how old, in your opinion, does a word have to be before it's considered "archaic"?

Fire away, archaism lovers or haters!
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Having being lurking around in certain areas of the forum and seen a somewhat lively debate about things like the word "hence" and "while vs whilst", it got me thinking about archaisms: words or phrases that may be considered "old" or "outdated".

Who here uses them, either in erotica, or everyday life? I do, quite a bit. Should we use them? Do they detract or add to the story or however you use them? It would be nice to see some opinions on this because I think archaisms rool! Also, how old, in your opinion, does a word have to be before it's considered "archaic"?

Fire away, archaism lovers or haters!


Good thread!

I often write or speak in messages/chat with what some would call an "old-fashioned" style. It can make me sound a bit loved up sometimes, and the meaning of my original words can sometimes be interpreted as something "more" to the modern reader. But I do have a truly innocent meaning, and to those who read such ramblings and understand know the difference. I try only to write like that with certain people who I know "get" that style of writing.

I often use words like "betwixt" in poetry, because it suits the lands where my imagination wanders. But I use words like "hence" (did it earlier in a PM, actually!) and "whilst" regularly, and they are not unusual when they crop up from the mouths or typing of other people.

I do think a lot of the time people label things archaic if they don't hear the word in their day-to-day living naturally. For instance, words we use in the UK are not always found in the States - we often have to translate for our family over there. But they automatically assume it's a "British" ancient way of talking. I recently explained the orgins of "tosser" and "tosspot" as being from a medieval legend of one of Arthur's knights. It's not true (because I made it up), but I do believe it's slightly more modern than that.

Anything can sound old depending on who says it, in what context, and in what attitude. And especially, it depends on the hearer or reader.

All languages (except for some made up recently) are archaic, and ever changing and developing. But just because one word isn't used and then falls into obscurity doesn't make it any less of a word, or lessen the impact of it's use, necessarily.

I think the way we string words together often has more impact than the actual words themselves, and therefore, the style, setting and skill of the writer has more to do with it than the individual components. Using big or less-known words for the sake of it is pretentious, but using them for their beauty and definition is, in my book, wonderful, and I enjoy reading them.

I have seen that most people tend to be more disdainful when they don't understand a word, and don't like writers to use words they may not have come across before. But I think it's great to look for new words and old ones, and discover their meanings to make our writing and abilities richer and deeper.

I like making my own words up too - when we have family visiting from the States, I make up words and explain their pretendy meanings. It's brilliant.
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I too enjoy using made up words - it's one of my favourite things about the English language. I remember one time this awful nasty bully was trying to intimidate me and I simply confused him, thus making him run away, buy saying "get thee back from whence you have come." Suffice to say that particular archaism saved my bacon.

I'm always being told not to use "big words" (the like of which, I can't remember just now and this is how I'd speak if I was having a conversation, I'm not just using the archaism or unusual turn of phrase to make a point, I genuinely speak like this) but I usually just politely explain what the word means and usually they're ok with it.

I personally see nothing wrong with using old or uncommon words, it keeps this beautiful language alive and I think that it actually helps in the creation of new words or phrases. The word "the", for example, is as old as the hills and everyone uses it, knowing full well what it means. The misspelling if "the" ("teh"), however is pretty new and accepted as an alternative, so using archaic words, in my opinion, is a wonderful thing.
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I like archaic words and phrases, but seldom use the King's English either in writing or speech. If I did, I suppose I'd use it correctly, having studied Shakespeare and other texts of that era. I do, though, use whilest by choice, when appropriate - a gift from my great-grandfather, I suppose, passed down through the generations.
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I love using Shakespare English. It confuses people but then again I am from a small town and any intelligent jokes with wit and banter that uses old fashioned or words that go over the top of the people's minds makes them look like morons.

To me anyways, they think I am eccentric.

Go figure.
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I love using Shakespare English. It confuses people but then again I am from a small town and any intelligent jokes with wit and banter that uses old fashioned or words that go over the top of the people's minds makes them look like morons.

To me anyways, they think I am eccentric.

Go figure.


Go you! Being eccentric is fun, it gives us artistic license!
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I love being unconventional ;) Makes things interesting. lol.
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I love being unconventional ;) Makes things interesting. lol.


Yes and interesting is good. Archaism of the day: get thee behind me, Satan! I love using thee, btw.
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For years I followed the convention, which states that when making a simple declarative statement, or when one wishes to show one is taking into consideration the other person’s wishes, one should use "will."

E.g. “If you plan to be home tomorrow I will come for a visit.”

However, to demonstrate determination, or when the wishes of the other person is not being considered, one should use "shall."

E.g. “Come hell or high water, I shall be there.”

Unfortunately, using uncommon or beautiful words when writing advertising copy for radio or television -- which I did for over a decade -- can garner one much criticism for one's “archaic word choices” and “unnatural speech patterns.” To continue earning a living, I cured myself of following that convention and have all but eliminated “shall” from my vocabulary.

To compensate, I am very harsh with people who don’t observe the difference between flotsam and jetsam.
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I love the word shall. It's so much more definite than will. I use it a lot and when I want to show that I'm even more definite I say indeed at the end. Also I like using indeed. I suppose that's pretty archaic.
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IMHO, there is no right or wrong when writing commercial fiction, just effective and ineffective. That said, it's my understanding that editors tend to frown upon exotic words that risk obscuring the message. By exotic, I mean any word that calls attention to itself including both foreign words and those so archaic readers in the target audience are thrown out of the story trying to figure them out.

Again, that's not wrong and if a writer feels using that sort of language enhances their story or just floats their boat, then they should go for it.

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I often use words like "betwixt" in poetry, because it suits the lands where my imagination wanders.



I thought "Betwixt" was a cereal...no? I sort of remember an old ad with the slogan "Silly rabbit, Betwixt are for kids"...but, I might be wrong...

Maybe I should start using these type of words in my next story here...I could easily see myself coming up with sentences like...

"Whilst I hasten uponeth thy wench to bejoin me betwixt thy sheets, hence we in time of merriment shall cummeth..."

Oh yeah, I could see this really catching on here on Lush...

Btw, try using all these words in a poem or story...

20 Great Archaic Words
http://listverse.com/2011/10/21/20-great-archaic-words/

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I've never used these types of words other than a few times in life.
Believe it or not, I felt dirty afterwards. I'm just not comfortable using them.
Not that there's anything wrong with them, It's just not my style.

It makes me feel like I'm trying to be somebody that I am not.
If one was to write an old style story, I think it's fine though.
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I thought "Betwixt" was a cereal...no? I sort of remember an old ad with the slogan "Silly rabbit, Betwixt are for kids"...but, I might be wrong...

Maybe I should start using these type of words in my next story here...I could easily see myself coming up with sentences like...

"Whilst I hasten uponeth thy wench to bejoin me betwixt thy sheets, hence we in time of merriment shall cummeth..."

Oh yeah, I could see this really catching on here on Lush...

Btw, try using all these words in a poem or story...

20 Great Archaic Words
http://listverse.com/2011/10/21/20-great-archaic-words/


Call me insane but that poetic verse kinda turned me on. I think you're right about the cereal, I'm sure I've heard of that somewhere (I believe it was Family Guy that did a skit in one of their silly cutaways). Ans nice list, I'm bookmarking that page so that, henceforth and post haste, I can use more archaic words.
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From the linked list or archaic words.

Twattling ... someone who makes a fuss over a pet.


So someone Tweeting pictures of their dog or cat on Twitter is Twattling?

We should bring that word back into use, don't you think?
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So someone Tweeting pictures of their dog or cat on Twitter is Twattling?

We should bring that word back into use, don't you think?


Yeah The Young S...maybe there should be a whole site for that purpose...we could call it Twatter...

Then again, maybe not...

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Twitter Twaddle has a nice alliterative ring, plus it's got a good beat and is easy to dance to. I'd give it a....

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One interesting thing about the use of "thee" or "thou" is it is the last example of a formal mode of speech "you" being the formal you used for strangers and your so called social superiors. and "thee" and "thou" for the familiar. Consequently you could subtly insult someone by the mode of speech you used which can still happen in many other European languages. Another interesting and perhaps surprising fact is that US English is more archaic than the UK's.
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I use the word 'methinks' in every day speech. Or try to.

I always forget to litter my speech with them. But there are a few that I'm trying to revive.

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Archaisms are pretty cool. Of course my brain chooses this very moment to fart, so I can't even type out the ones I use on a regular basis. But I will say this, my speech/typing pattern in general always makes people think I'm much older than my 23 years...but I don't mind. It just gets weird online when everyone is already generally untrusting of everyone...so I find myself insisting upon my age more often than not.duslYqCRPQcKl6QJ

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I just came across a good one when I was Googling random words (I do that sometimes, along with reading dictionaries). Wame: it's an old Scottish word, meaning belly and a form of the word womb. It's first documented use goes back to about the 1500s and seemed to die out sometime in the 1800s. I like leaning new things, makes me happy.
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I love them. Love, love, love, love, love them!

I use them especially when I'm talking, but some of my favorites are "henceforth", "verily", and "forsooth" - which I have started a thing amongst some folk (ooh, "folk") I know converting it to mock gangsta speak "fo sooth!".

I use lots of others also, and I'm sure I'll be back to this thread when I've given it more thought, but right now I'm having a kind of an attention-deficit sort of a night. Cheerio!