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Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:20:56 AM

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WellMadeMale wrote:


Something great




Fuckin' A.



SatinBatty
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:26:42 AM

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perhaps this may be a topic best left to be closed?
lafayettemister
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:38:19 AM

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My opinion is that it's a load of bunk. The person or persons that make the leap in judgement are only trying to fuel the flames and make an issue out of a non-issue. I came across the topic while on Yahoo or someone posting it on facebook. I don't browse conservative websites. I think this kind of thought is dangerous and is an attempt to keep the races at each others' throats. I'm not a fan of Pres. Obama, that's well known. But if he's trying to improve education then that's fine by me. I would have preferred he start an education excellence program that's all inclusive but it's a start.

All of our children need access to highly effective teachers and principals, safe schools, and challenging college-preparatory classes. I do live in the south, and no that doens't automatically make me a racist, and there are shitty teachers and public schools in the area. The white to black kid ratio is about 50/50 so everyone is getting shafted by the lack of quality education.





When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
LadyX
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:44:43 AM

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SatinBatty wrote:
perhaps this may be a topic best left to be closed?


I think we're back on track. Flare-ups happen, but everyone's an adult here. As long as we keep our heads and stay on topic, all will be fine.
elitfromnorth
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:14:38 AM

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LadyX wrote:


I think we're back on track. Flare-ups happen, but everyone's an adult here. As long as we keep our heads and stay on topic, all will be fine.


Close but no cigarbinky


But back to the topic. I doubt Obama is stupid enough to sign a bill that pretty much says "Black kids will recieve less punishment than white ones!" if I'm reading this crap right. Fair enough, politicians in general aren't the smartest ones around and American politicians doesn't have an image to the outside world as the smartest ones(talking as an outsider looking in), but I doubt anyone of them are retarded enough to actually promote something like that in an election year, unless they are in a constituency where 50% of the voters are KKK members or Black Power members. And as far as I know, the pivot states that Obama needs to win to be re elected are not 50% Black Power...

"It's at that point you realise Lady Luck is actually a hooker, and you're fresh out of cash."
WellMadeMale
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:53:48 AM

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Location: Cakeland, United States
lafayettemister wrote:
My opinion is that it's a load of bunk.


See how easy this is? Depending on how fast you can type a coherent group of sentences (with labels), it takes all of two minutes to state where you stand and clarify ambiguity.

SatinBatty wrote:
perhaps this may be a topic best left to be closed?


I don't advocate selective censorship either, Batty.

I have over 8000 forum posts stretching over nearly three years. Less than 5% of those in the forum games area. Another 5% of those - where I've attempted to say something meaningful.

90% of my posts have been a mishmash of bombastic drivel, sarcasm, hyperbole or ridicule.

That's about the correct ratios of my conversation, if you were to sit across the table from me in a pub...knocking back some cocktails. I won't won't censor your thoughts or speech.

I will however disagree and tell it to your face, if necessary.

I'm more apt to do so, when sober, than after I've denigrated my inhibitions with booze.

Most intelligent people are introspective and doubt themselves while many fucktards are proudly over-confident. - a tip of the hat to Charles Bukowski
oldrascal
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 1:03:55 PM

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Okay, I confess, I'm a conservative. I wonder why some of the liberal minded members castigate conservatives because of their principles. Lady X, do you think I'm a racist because I hold conservative dogma? Do you think I don't want the best for all citizens? Aren't I allowed to have opinions?
Well, here's one. Do you think it's possible that Obama issued this edict to garner votes? What about the last couple findings to twist the laws on illegal immigrants? Garnering votes?

Okay, now I'll put on my helmet, get into my foxhole, and read the shrapnel with a periscope.
LadyX
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 1:42:02 PM

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LOL. Don’t worry, no weapons shall be fired in your direction!

And no, I would never presume you to be racist based on your political ideology (unless that consisted of white supremacy, and presumably it does not), but for all of the valid criticism Obama takes from all sides (and there’s plenty; he’s far from being a great President), there’s a subset of it from the far right, that is certainly tinged with racism. In the realm where sociology meets politics, such as the comments made in the linked articles at the top of this thread, there’s sometimes more than a little racist undertone, and I feel a personal duty to call it out wherever I see it.

But the thrust of my criticism on this subject has to do less with racism itself, than with the right’s insistence on taking everything Obama says or does and performing some or all of the following on it: a) assuming the worst possible result of his ideas, b) taking his comments wildly out of context, or c) representing ideas and intentions that he himself doesn’t actually have, all to serve the larger narrative of this President being not only ineligible because he clearly was born in Kenya, but also the worst president ever because he’s a socialist, hates freedom, hates money, is a Muslim,…blah blah.

And the Republican Party abets the worst of this ignorance, perversion of truth, and yes, racism, by being coy, making sly or veiled comments, and looking the other way instead of denouncing it (see: “birthers”).

Yes, this sort of thing happened to Bush (minus the racial component), so no, it’s not unique to conservatives. I don’t care. Both are wrong, and two wrongs don’t make a right.
oldrascal
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 3:21:08 PM

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Xuani, Thank you for the truce. I guess I can stick my head out for awhile. Also for the reasoned response, much of which I concur with. But, I take issue with the part about the Republicans sticking there head in the sand and not speaking out on these subjects. Sure, there's fat-head Repubs, just as there are Dems. I try to digest from both sides, on radio, the net, and print. That's how I get my opinions. I venture to ask if you have ever listened to Michael Medved, an avowed conservative that has spoken out on these subjects repeatedly, He is one I reccomend trying. I vote Republican most times as I believe in small government and most of the tenets that Repubs assert, but although I liked Bush very much as a person I can certainly see the warts in his presidency. I guess what I'm trying to say is, you seem to be basing your opinions all on the progressive agenda, most of which I strongly disagree with.
As far as the subjects you brought up; I doubt he was born in Kenya, but I don't see what difference it makes now, I wouldn't call him a socialist but he certainly has socialistic tendencies, he certainly doesn't hate his own freedom to circumvent the law when it meets his agenda but I worry about the rest of us. he certainly doesn't hate money as he's accrued a great deal lately, as for his religion, In my personal opinion, he has no strong feelings either on Muslimism or Christianity.
Should I duck back in my hole now?
As a moderator you're probably fuming as I seem to have left the main subject. If you'd like to continue in private chat I guess I can type from my foxhole.
nicola
Posted: Friday, August 03, 2012 5:26:00 PM

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WellMadeMale wrote:


Is there room up there Jack, to stand next to you, on your bully pulpit milk crate?

If someone is going to create a thread starting post, which refers back to an article anywhere from the internutz, especially in The Think Tank - he or she should at the very least...type out their own idea(s) - along with their URL hotlink and alarming copy-n-paste rhetoric they've retrieved from elsewhere.

Otherwise, that person could be construed as silently agreeing with whatever commentary or hotlink they are simply billboarding.

Your audience doesn't know if you're actually trying to shine a flashlight on the cockroaches, attempting to highlight hypocrisy or corruption, calling truth to power - or being a propaganda stooge/tool.

Just passing along hot air to attempt to get a reaction - works well in the Lounge, The Pub, any of the relationship threads...(that is part of the schtick, show & flash)

In The Think Tank - your opinion and comments matter, and give the rest of us the opportunity to determine what we think about you. If you don't give a shit about your online persona ... simply post inflammatory URLs and links back to sexist, racist, homophobic, militaristic/corporatist - anti-social bullshit and then... don't add your own comments.

Leave it up to people (like Jack and myself - and others) to call you out. To us...when you don't say anything to clarify your own position - we think you are agreeing with what was spit out on the internutz... at whatever shithole website you found the tripe which you wanted to share with the Lush community.

There are unspoken forum rules, and those rules have been since the dawn of community billboard systems. Learn 'em or suffer the public education. That is, if you give a shit about your anonymous online personality.

There is still room on this soapbox - if anyone wishes to stand up here next to Jack and I.


My 2 cents
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