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Archadia
Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:48:20 AM

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This is sick, bordering on Pedophilia because it sounds is if those responsible could be getting some kind of sexual kick out of it, and not to mention that its definately child abuse. This is an abomination that should be a NSPCC issue, or whatever the USA equvilant of that is, and these purportrators should be arrested and given lengthy prison sentences, im too against this for words, where in the 21st century now, the human race should be well past this, as Sprite rightly put it, barbaric behaviour. I dont even think gender matters here, i thought we were above sex division in 2012. If this happened in UK it would be a national scandal. That is all......
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Archadia wrote:
This is sick, bordering on Pedophilia because it sounds is if those responsible could be getting some kind of sexual kick out of it, and not to mention that its definately child abuse. This is an abomination that should be a NSPCC issue, or whatever the USA equvilant of that is, and these purportrators should be arrested and given lengthy prison sentences, im too against this for words, where in the 21st century now, the human race should be well past this, as Sprite rightly put it, barbaric behaviour. That is all......


There is absolutely NO indication that anyone got any sexual kick out of this. None whatsoever. That is an assumption to the nth degree. Someone said it was "creepy" but there is no evidence of anything sexual. Be against paddling if you like. That is your right. But let's not make this guy out to be a pedophile for no good reason.





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WellMadeMale
Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:01:24 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:


There is absolutely NO indication that anyone got any sexual kick out of this. None whatsoever. That is an assumption to the nth degree. Someone said it was "creepy" but there is no evidence of anything sexual. Be against paddling if you like. That is your right. But let's not make this guy out to be a pedophile for no good reason.


Then let's call him what he was for this occasion.

Inappropriate. Immature. Unfit for the position of authority to which he's been getting paid for however long he's been a HS principal. Time for him to go find another career.

He should not be working in education in a position of authority around juveniles and young adults.

Or can we give him about a dozen swats with a custom made weapon of ass destruction and he gets to keep his job?

I'd be up for that.

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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:06:52 AM

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Then let's call him what he was for this occasion.

Inappropriate. Immature. Unfit for the position of authority to which he's been getting paid for however long he's been a HS principal. Time for him to go find another career.

He should not be working in education in a position of authority around juveniles and young adults.

Or can we give him about a dozen swats with a custom made weapon of ass destruction and he gets to keep his job?

I'd be up for that.


That could be appropriate. If he was overly aggressive or did give her serious bruises or welps or injury then he should be appropriately reprimanded. Whatever the school board deems that to be.







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Archadia
Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:11:43 AM

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lafayettemister wrote:


There is absolutely NO indication that anyone got any sexual kick out of this. None whatsoever. That is an assumption to the nth degree. Someone said it was "creepy" but there is no evidence of anything sexual. Be against paddling if you like. That is your right. But let's not make this guy out to be a pedophile for no good reason.


Thats right, there is no indication, but also dont rule it out, you need to be open to all possibilities, pahaps i sounded too assuming, that wasnt the case, but you cant rule out that there isnt a sexual nature behind this, just as i cant rule out that, the the people responsible might not have any sexual intrests in this whatsoever. But Pedophile or not, there is good reason for serious scrutiny, children being unsupervised in that environment, well, alarm bells are ringing, just think how would you feel if that was your child. And in this day and age, we need to protect children, what with so mch child abuse and sex offending coming to light. Lets be warey though, there are the other extremes, of pointing fingers and screaming pedophile at perfectly innocent people too, that also, something im sure none of us want too see happen. So my tone in the last comment may have sounded assuming and confirmative, but i just wanted to impress the serious of the situation, it was not a direct accusation, just a possibility.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:23:20 AM

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Archadia wrote:


Thats right, there is no indication, but also dont rule it out, you need to be open to all possibilities, pahaps i sounded too assuming, that wasnt the case, but you cant rule out that there isnt a sexual nature behind this, just as i cant rule out that, the the people responsible might not have any sexual intrests in this whatsoever. But Pedophile or not, there is good reason for serious scrutiny, children being unsupervised in that environment, well, alarm bells are ringing, just think how would you feel if that was your child. And in this day and age, we need to protect children, what with so mch child abuse and sex offending coming to light. Lets be warey though, there are the other extremes, of pointing fingers and screaming pedophile at perfectly innocent people too, that also, something im sure none of us want too see happen. So my tone in the last comment may have sounded assuming and confirmative, but i just wanted to impress the serious of the situation, it was not a direct accusation, just a possibility.


If there's no indication, then assuming would be counter productive and takes away from the real issue. The child was not unsupervised, there was a female school employee observing the paddling. We do need to protect our children, but not at the cost of proclaiming every adult as a possibly assumed pedophile. And being that neither the student nor the mother said that anything sexual happened, then we can assume that indeed nothing sexual happened. They don't seem shy and if there was any sort of sexual slant to it they would have brought it up.

Maybe it's just me, but I see the issue here as the paddling itself. Not the possibility of some covert sexual deviant behavior. Sometimes things just are as they seem.





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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:14:07 PM

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Ok in my opinion she asked for it she got her punishment. Yeah same gender punishment I sgree men do tend to have a much heavy hand when it comes to hitting, so maybe a female was due in this case. Same goes if it was a guy that gets the punishment gets spanked by a male. When I was 16 I whent to mexico and ended going to school there for a year and my ass, hands and ears wore punish places there. And let me tell u the parents are only notified after the punishment is done. I got spanked/paddled on my ass I got hit with a ruler at the top of my hands also with a small thin stick on the inside of the wrist, and hot my ears pulled. Yes it hurt like a bitch but it was my punishment for not doing big projects, no homework, or even fighting at school. Punishments are suposed to hurt so I think she just figured it would be easy so she took that punishment.
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If the kid requested it, and it's not against the law what's the problem?
"hit me with a piece of wood" what part of that implies bruising may not happen?
Common sense..

I'd rather have a bruise than in-school suspension. I.S.S. Is the fancy term for you miss all assignments, couple of tests? Oh well you get an an F. it pretty much ruins your grades for a quarter. she got out easy
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1ball wrote:
You didn't understand when I said that I saw the need for a same-gender observer? And if both men were gay, femme and submissive, the creep factor might be way lower than if a sadistic lesbian was in with her alone. Agreed?

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Well, first off this (below) is exactly what you typed: This is the first thing I saw you blurt out. The second thing you uttered which didn't give you a hall pass. And your comment about the mother taking photographic evidence of her own child's rear end is just fucking weird - why would THAT be of concern to any normal human being? A parent who raised that child from birth, changed their diapers, probably saw them running around in their house in their skivvies, swimwear...all their young lives? What...Seriously?


I see another one of your problems is causing you to misread. What is it with the hyper-emotionalism you display? It has the appearance of compensatory behavior for insecurity. I wrote:

"I don't understand the need for a same-gender policy. I understand the need for an observer of the same gender. Bruising? It seems like not such a big deal if kids get bruised in phys ed classes, so it seems like being hit memorably hard might be acceptable, if it's only bruising. I'm more concerned about a mother taking photos of her daughter's ass. If it's going to be evidence of an assault, that should be the responsibility of someone else."

Which is what you should have read. but your dysfunction caused you to read font changes and see red. I addressed the issues in order of how they were presented. A male vice-principal administered one or more swats. A female observer was present. And then a mother did what it seemed no honest mother would do. She apparently didn't take her daughter to the hospital, for the sake of her health and where experts in child abuse would have seen her. Why not? Maybe she didn't really think it was bad enough to meet the standard. If she did take her, they may have told her something she didn't want to hear. She apparently didn't enlist the support of the police or CPS either. The police would have had someone trained in taking evidence photos. Instead, she took photos of her daughter's ass. I can't imagine a parent not realizing this could lead to charges of kiddie-porn. And she showed them to who? ABC? Why is she trying her case in the court of public opinion? Her behavior just doesn't pass the smell test. I think she smells money.

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No male authority figure should be swatting any non adult females ass in grade school, junior high school nor high school.


It might be poor judgement on his part, but only because of how it fuels those prone to staging an outrage fest in order to mount a soapbox and preach about corporal punishment. There's a double standard against men and people like you perpetuate the belief that women are a victim class. This guy should be held to the same professional standards as women, but instead there's a presumption of guilt. Gullible people fall for that shit routinely.

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You don't have kids do you?


No. That's why I don't consider myself qualified to judge the mother for allowing the corporal punishment in the first place. She did, and then she conveniently comes up with an excuse that might lead to money?

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I mean you never had children (neither did I) but it almost sounds as if you weren't really raised by parents who loved or liked you either.


One did and the other was, like you, someone who displays the symptoms of NPD. I don't automatically think parents are trustworthy. Plenty of evidence that many aren't.

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It doesn't even fucking matter at all if there is a female authority figure/observer in the same room or not. No adult male should be issuing physical/corporal punishment to any girls or young women who are still in High School. That's fucking Jacked up with a capital J.


There's that hyper=emotionalism again. binky

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You're not going to weasel out of your original sentence stated by now tossing in the words - gay or femme or Domme or calling into question the authority figure's sexuality ... in an effort to either clarify your creepy statement or throw lame ad hominems at me. It's not working. This isn't a case of adult consensual spanking sex play ... although it might be for that male adult HS Principal.


I'm just not into double standards. Clearly you think you're qualified to judge on behalf of all men and proclaim yourself as an alpha male, something that a true alpha would have no reason to do, but that's not the only thing that calls your judgement into question. You puff up your chest and fan your tail-feathers and preen like a peacock, but it comes off as bluster and braggadocio. You don't reason at all like someone who engages their brain well before engaging their typers.

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Just when I think you might be an okay guy...


Seriously, being liked by a guy that displays your symptoms is far from my priority list.


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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:03:12 PM

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That's what you got from what I wrote?


Yeah, I don't know how they do things in Canada, but in the US, if a teacher observes someone allowing someone else to copy, that teacher's opinion is as good as a legal ruling. I didn't see anything about the girl disputing the charge, so I'm guessing she was caught red handed and accepted that punishment was justified.

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The punishment should've fell on the one doing the copying.


It probably was. That wouldn't necessarily have been mentioned.

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Roast her mother for that one. The child agreed to it. The mother agreed to it and didn't clarify who would administer it. The school agreed to it. The brat probably wanted an easy out. The school probably shouldn't do it because it isn't worth the legal risk. The mother? She wouldn't get my vote for MOTY.


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1ball wrote:


Roast her mother for that one. The child agreed to it. The mother agreed to it and didn't clarify who would administer it. The school agreed to it. The brat probably wanted an easy out. The school probably shouldn't do it because it isn't worth the legal risk. The mother? She wouldn't get my vote for MOTY.


Can't argue with any of that.
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sprite wrote:
this just sounds barbaric to me, quite honestly.


LadyX wrote:
It is.


Both the mother and the daughter were given choices. Agreed?



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Agreed. I have a general objection to that method of discipline even being on the table, though.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 7:37:04 PM

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LadyX wrote:
Agreed. I have a general objection to that method of discipline even being on the table, though.


Me too, but parents in some places want it on the table. Punishing children by rewarding them with time off from learning always seemed a little fishy to me. Kids don't necessarily think about the long term consequences from suspensions and expulsions. This girl apparently did. Her mother might have just smelled money.

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Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:33:14 PM

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1ball wrote:

No. That's why I don't consider myself qualified to judge the mother for allowing the corporal punishment in the first place. She did, and then she conveniently comes up with an excuse that might lead to money?


But you're more than qualified to judge the mother as being a gold digger. Injecting your own brand of wealth envy into this scenario. Because...

Because you're on the take ... everyone else is? Props to Scooter for sniffing you out earlier.


1ball wrote:
I'm just not into double standards. Clearly you think you're qualified to judge on behalf of all men and proclaim yourself as an alpha male, something that a true alpha would have no reason to do, but that's not the only thing that calls your judgement into question. You puff up your chest and fan your tail-feathers and preen like a peacock, but it comes off as bluster and braggadocio. You don't reason at all like someone who engages their brain well before engaging their typers.


Hey, you're the one labeling me as an alpha male. I've never once indicated that. As for judging all men? Pfft... You apparently own some male inferiority complex and are transferring it to this discussion. Men are so picked on, WMM is claiming all men are sadistic perverts!

No, I simply called your original commentary out for what it is. Fucked up.

I clearly have stated that no male authority figure should physically punish any juvenile female student...and you completely ignore all those adjectives which you choose to.

I see how ya are. Everyone else does too. I bet you're a real hit in your neck of the woods. I'm guessing you're henpecked and living close to hermit status on the gov'ment dole. Are we paying for your dial up too?

Let's pass the hat for an extra $15 a month so 1Ball can have some DSL and migrate into this century (technologically speaking) with the rest of us.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:39:55 AM

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WellMadeMale wrote:


Hey, you're the one labeling me as an alpha male. I've never once indicated that.


Apparently you don't read your own posts in other forums. Lfunny

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Great, I'll open a paypal account for you and all the other gullibles. Can't get DSL here though. Gotta be satellite. evil4

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1ball wrote:


Both the mother and the daughter were given choices. Agreed?



i have to wonder how those choices were presented tho:

scenario one: we can give you daughter a paddling in a safe enviornment while a responsible adult in a place of authority keeps an eye on the proceedings or we can ruin her plans for college and mess up the rest of her life...

scenario two: we can yank your daughter pants down around her ankles and then beat her ass until it's black and blue...

my guess is the first one was what was presented, while the second one is what actually occured...



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sprite wrote:


i have to wonder how those choices were presented tho:

scenario one: we can give you daughter a paddling in a safe enviornment while a responsible adult in a place of authority keeps an eye on the proceedings or we can ruin her plans for college and mess up the rest of her life...

scenario two: we can yank your daughter pants down around her ankles and then beat her ass until it's black and blue...

my guess is the first one was what was presented, while the second one is what actually occured...



If either of those scenarios happened, we'd know about it. The choice is in the student handbook, she made her decision without coercion or we'd know. The mom would have mentioned it and there would already be a lawsuit.

No one yanked down anyone's pants to their ankles and beat her bare ass.





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I am 100% behind corporal punishment. I find the youth of today to be somewhat disrespectful and would lay some of the blame on the doing away with corporal punishment.






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I can understand that the mother might have wanted her daughter to have a paddling rather than in school suspension, but she was making that choice under the assumption that it would be carried out by a woman. Same sex paddling was official school policy. The vice-principal violated school policy, and now the school is being sued. That is as it should be. If lawsuits cost the county enough money maybe they'll consider hiring people who aren't perverts to administer their schools.
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1ball wrote:


Apparently you don't read your own posts in other forums.


1) you don't know me well enough, I been here since late 2009 & you since what...this summer? and...
2) you are kind of slow on the uptake anyway

Add those together and it means you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
But, what's new? I won't hold that against you. You're egomania is out of fucking control and probably has been all your life.

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CoopsRuthie wrote:
I can understand that the mother might have wanted her daughter to have a paddling rather than in school suspension, but she was making that choice under the assumption that it would be carried out by a woman. Same sex paddling was official school policy. The vice-principal violated school policy, and now the school is being sued. That is as it should be. If lawsuits cost the county enough money maybe they'll consider hiring people who aren't perverts to administer their schools.


You are always being so sensible. This thread needs more hyperbole!

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Any therapist will tell you that safety is the key to effectively performing any behavior altering effect in a patient. In most BDSM relationships where spanking itself is used, along with any other "punishment," there is a "safe word" to alert the Master that he/she is going too far and the sub is/or does not feel safe.

I went to a grammar school where corporal punishment was frequently used (almost daily at least one student got it) to use fear to "teach the kid a lesson."
I ask: what was the lesson? All it proves is that person X can use violence at will on any student in the school.
I seldom saw a school actually change a student's overall behavior with capital punishment.
My point is this: Yes there are times when someone else's behavior is driving us up the wall and may be seriously challenging our ability to find a way to lead that person to more acceptable behavior. But because we can't find a way to really change that person behavior, it does not give us the right to use something that will not. In many cases, non-corporal means can be found to alter behavior.
The fact is, there are always going to be people whose behavior can not be altered in society: therefore we have prisons.
Why do we insist that schools change people that we ourselves as parents can not, or society as a whole cannot? Isn't that expecting too much?
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I think common sense should dictate that women teachers would spank girls. Either women or men teachers would be okay administering a spanking to a boy, but in all cases there should be at least one other teacher present to witness. Two teachers witnessing would be even better. If the school administrators & community don't feel comfortable with corporal punishment just don't do it. If done right a kid shouldn't be bruised from it. There are plenty of other forms of punishment that work.

When I was growing up my parents' rule was that if I got in trouble at school that I'd be punished worse at home. My mom was a teacher and knew all the teachers in my town. That just wasn't fair! I couldn't get away with anything!

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1ball wrote: Apparently you don't read your own posts in other forums.

WellMadeMale wrote:
1) you don't know me well enough, I been here since late 2009 & you since what...this summer? and...


I don't think the amount of time I've been here changes what you wrote about yourself.

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So does that mean that I should ignore what you wrote about yourself and that you don't really believe you're an alpha male?


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As a mother I would never allow anyone to smack, paddle or physically punish my child. Ever!!
But for the sake of the arguement I say this....
The Mother gave her consent.
It was her responsibility to make sure she knew the process. She should have made sure it was a woman who was delivering the punishment and known in advance exactly how many and with what strength that punishment would be delivered.
Really as a responsible parent she should have made it a point to be in the room at the time of punishment.
It's as simple as that.

As for whether this is the right thing to do ....... god no, there are any number of ways to punish a child that dont include smacking them with a paddle!
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Naughtygrl73 wrote:
there are any number of ways to punish a child that dont include smacking them with a paddle!


I'm not a parent nor a school teacher, so please list the things a school can do. Suspension would seem like a reward to some kids and denies them the education the school is there to provide. Removal from sports teams could hurt the whole team if they're star players. What's left? Dunce caps or other forms of public humiliation? Prom privileges?


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I think that it's the responsibility of both schools and parents to work in conjunction to solve these sorts of problems.

Yes, by all means suspend them from sports or other school related passtimes.
I dont care if they're star players, that's what a punishment is. To deter a behaviour. There should be consequences for your actions and if this affects others, then perhaps they too will learn the lesson.

I don't think that a first time mistake should go on a permenant record that could affect their futures.
These are children, they're still learning right from wrong and they push boundries. Thats what kids do.

That's why consistency and following through with punishments is the key. Kids learn very quickly that when parents and teachers are consistent and united, that doing the wrong thing will result in a negative outcome and that its just not worth the risk.

Kids learn from mistakes only if the punishment hurts. It doesn't have to be a physical pain to learn that lesson. In fact a long slow punishment is often of greater value than physical pain or intimidation through degradation, (which as WMM stated earlier, can become a bit of a bonding exercise for teenagers).

I don't believe in making fun of children as a form of punishment. What is that teaching them other than to be bullies and cruel, so no, dunce hats would be a pointless and rather juvenile form of punishment if you ask me and certainly wouldn't foster respect between student and teacher.

Parents and teachers need to come together to work on a plan. It may be extra work to be completed in their own time, or the removal of privlages both at home and at school. Having to work around the school for eg. In the libarary or sorting text books. Anything mundane normally does the trick in my house.
In this case perhaps the resitting of the test with a 10% reduction of her grade.
If a students behaviour shows a willingness to cooperate then perhaps they should be given the option of making up that grade with good behaviour, writing an essay on the reasons why one shouldn't cheat, an extra assignment or perhaps a further test sometime in the future.

Of course I realise that this requires cooperation from parents and this unfortunately isn't always going to happen but truly its not that hard to come up with punishments that don't involve physicaly harming a child.

so by all means take away
sporting events
school socials
school trips
give extra homework, exams, assignments,
take away the things that they enjoy
but make sure that we reward them when they are good with greater freedoms and choices,

Kids will behave if the incentive is there, reward for good behaviour, punish for bad behaviour its kind of like training a puppy
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Naughtygrl73 wrote:
so by all means take away
sporting events
school socials
school trips
give extra homework, exams, assignments,
take away the things that they enjoy


To be honest, those all seem kind of lame and wouldn't have deterred me from misbehaving. They also wouldn't have deterred the miscreants. They seem geared toward the popular girls. You mentioned that the key is parental involvement and unfortunately schools can't really rely on that. I was hoping you were going to come with something like moving 1000 peas, one at a time, from one end of a basketball court to the other. That would teach them what their job was going to be like if they kept screwing up.


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To be honest, those all seem kind of lame and wouldn't have deterred me from misbehaving. They also wouldn't have deterred the miscreants. They seem geared toward the popular girls. You mentioned that the key is parental involvement and unfortunately schools can't really rely on that. I was hoping you were going to come with something like moving 1000 peas, one at a time, from one end of a basketball court to the other. That would teach them what their job was going to be like if they kept screwing up.


A bit of a shit stirer aren't you

Thats ok Im a mother of 3 boys under the age of 11 and a 4 year old girl, I know all the ways in which children behave to gain attention and the punishments needed to fix them evil4

Not once did I mention anthing about [b]popular girls[b] but if you go back and read the original post you will see that she is described as being a well regarded student so I mentioned punishiments that fit that type, things that will motivate a well adjusted child not miscreants.

So fit the punishment to the child. I kind of like the pea idea it shows creativity and thats what we need to try to help motivate good behaviour.

I once had my boys move a stack of house bricks from one end of our property to the other and then back again for bad behaviour, It fixed their little behinds and now I only have to glance in the direction of the pile of bricks to have a chorus of sorries from my lot. I've also used picking up every twig and leaf on our half acer lot as punishment, it kept them to busy for trouble and to tired at the end of it contemplate any more. Cleaning the toilets has also been a rather effective punishment.
I think you have to know the child to work out the type of punishment that would best work for them. Boys in particular need physical punishments, hard work that leaves muscles aching and the mind bored to tears, long hours of wishing they'd never done the crime.
So have them clean the halls with a toothbrush, or move bricks or wash windows, find the trigger that motivates them. Everyone has one, it just takes a little effort to find it. No one punishiment works for every child or every situation.

As someone mentioned in a previous post, some children will never change whether its through physically punishing them with a paddle or through more creative forms of punishment. All I'm saying is that as adults Im sure we can come up with more inventive forms of correcting behaviour than spanking with a paddle
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