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LadyX
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:35:31 AM

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RobinMaxwell760 wrote:


Very unlikely, considering he and his family are protected for life by the best health care in the world... bought and paid for by the American tax payer (all 52% of us).

But think about it Lady X, if he and his family were on HIS health care plan it would take this argument away forever. But he's not. Humm.......

RM


I suppose the philosophical divide here is that you and others appear to see some sort of hypocrisy* to this, and I don't. Why would he forego the best possible insurance for a cheap political point? Not that Obama never makes cheap political points, mind you LOL,but it would be especially stupid to knowingly and of free will downgrade health care for your own wife and children. It would be different if Obama had heralded the minimum insurance standards mandated by the AFA as an unrivaled, top-of-the-line standard of care, but that's neither the intent nor how it was marketed.

I think almost a hundred percent of those who think there's something "fishy" or hypocritical about this are already deeply entrenched into the "Obama is a collectivist/socialist/other people's money!" zone. Meanwhile, those who will benefit by getting actual medical coverage aren't really concerned with the president's co-pay and deductibles.


*albeit expressed in "what? honest question, libs!" code. And, apparently, questioning the motive behind it is beyond the pale, but painting those who would as intolerant sycophants isn't... Since righteous indignation is an equal-opportunity weapon in these debates, I'd suggest we all try to curb it altogether here. But that's just me.
Monocle
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:29:08 PM

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RobinMaxwell760 wrote:

Like I said: Never question the President.....EVER!


You either didn't read, didn't understand, or willfully ignored everything I wrote.
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Posted: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:38:59 AM

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Monocle wrote:


You either didn't read, didn't understand, or willfully ignored everything I wrote.


haha isn't that what forums are all about? ;)

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Posted: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:51:36 AM

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Highwayman wrote:


Now you know what it feels like to watch FOX NEWS.



This freaking made my day.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 8:21:06 AM

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i think that you should put the whole bunch of them on the same thing they give us ,and not just obama but all of the government
viking55
Posted: Thursday, November 07, 2013 5:16:52 PM

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If you aren't watching FOX NEWS how do you deal with all the spinning ? You must get pretty dizzy.
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:06:25 AM

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viking55 wrote:
If you aren't watching FOX NEWS how do you deal with all the spinning ? You must get pretty dizzy.


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Posted: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 6:07:20 PM

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I am all out for reform but hopefully do it correctly. Only thing that gets me is our government should follow the same rules.
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Posted: Monday, April 07, 2014 7:02:23 PM

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I think American people made a mistake voting for Obama our system is already fucked up from the presidents before him he only has made it worse the government system as is is already collapsing I am sorry but I didn't vote I didn't see that either one of the candidates were good choices. And now we can see that we have a crappy system.

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Posted: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:23:36 PM

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You didn't vote? Sorry, but criticizing the system doesn't do anything for your credibility if you aren't working to change or improve the system. Our vote is our voice. If you choose to be silent then it's your loss.
littlered1
Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 12:21:09 AM

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I'm not an expert on any of this, but you are arguing about something that seems hypothetical to me. Because of 'Obamacare' I had my first doctor's visit in 5 years. I haven't been able to get medical care anywhere but free clinics and emergency rooms. If you've ever been to a free clinic then you know that most are little more than doing the least possible to help. (Not all I did go to one that was pretty good but it ran out of funding & closed) Emergency rooms aren't made for regular medical needs. They are unbelievably expensive an inefficient for that. They are designed for emergencies not the flu or a sprained ankle. Since I was 15 I've gone about my life knowing I can't afford to get sick or hurt. I'm lucky, I stayed healthy. Is there anyone here willing to tell me the maximum cost allowed for me to have good health. Everyone should have healthcare or has America fallen to a point that only some of its citizens count. This isn't hypothetical or theoretical to me, it's my life. I'm not an expert but now I feel safer.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 12:42:32 AM

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littlered1 wrote:
I'm not an expert on any of this, but you are arguing about something that seem hypothetical to me. Because of 'Obamacare' I had my first doctor's visit in 5 years. I haven't been able to get medical care anywhere but free clinics and emergency rooms. If you've ever been to a free clinic then you know that most are little more than doing the least possible to help. (Not all I did go to one that was pretty good but it ran out of funding & closed) Emergency rooms aren't made for regular medical needs. They are unbelievably expensive an inefficient for that. They are designed for emergencies not the flu or a sprained ankle. Since I was 15 I've gone about my life knowing I can't afford to get sick or hurt. I'm lucky, I stayed healthy. Is there anyone here willing to tell me the maximum cost allowed for me to have good health. Everyone should have healthcare or has America fallen to a point that only some of its citizen count. This isn't hypothetical or theoretical to me, it's my life. I'm not an expert but now I feel safer.


For all of the negativity surrounding the ACA, it's nice to see that it is working. I would guess that there are a large chunk of people who are against it (and many other government programs and agencies), yet use some other kind of government aid, such as Social Security or Medicare. Compassion and helping those less fortunate (or elderly) should be something that we, as a nation, should be striving toward yet it seems more and more that we are sinking into a society of have vs. have-nots. SMH!
LadyX
Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 8:26:56 AM

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Obamacare is working just fine for me. Is it cheap? Fuck no. And I make too much to get it subsidized, and that's fair, so I'm fine with it. But it's working. It's not doomsday, doctor's aren't quitting in droves, our country isn't on the brink of collapse as a result.

I don't disagree with every conservative idea, but their freak-out over Obamacare looks funnier by the day, as more people sign up and it continues to function as it should.
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Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 12:49:39 AM

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All the people that voted for Obama. How wise they
were. They voted for the wrong president. But is that
not done all the time?

All presidents that were elected in the 20th century
were wrong. And some presidents are celebrated as being
great.

Take Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was a war criminal. He
is responsible for the death of millions of people. And
Joseph Stalin was his friend!

Franklin D. Roosevelt is responsible for the Cold War.
He never should have helped Uncle Joe. Adolf Hitler
should have won.

John R. Kennedy. He has accomplished nothing. He
brought the Vietnam war to the USA. He had a lot of
young men killed.

Oh yes. That is where he was very good about. Fucking
around. All the new secretaries that were traveling
with him.

Obama. In 2008 he promised the world to the people. He
would bring down the deficit to zero. And what did he
do? Nothing.

He would stop all wars. Well. The war in Iraq went on.
And Afghanistan? He has send 30,000 more troops to
Afghanistan.

Look. That is what all presidents are doing. Obama too.
They only want to fill their pockets. They don't care
for the people.

Obamacare? What a shit program. But it is good
propaganda. It makes Obama look like a good president
that cares for the poor.

My God. What I now said. I will get the Federal Bureau
of Intimidation involved. The US army will kill me.
They will come to Germany.
Monocle
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:28:18 AM

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I see they have a Fox News feed in Dusseldorf, too.
keoloke
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:50:35 AM

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For you that voted on Obama? He's just about in it's fourth and last quarter of his presidency.

I still don’t get what’s the fuss and resistance about ObamaCare and it is supposed to be a compliment or a derogatory term calling it that way?

Anyway, it’s called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It’s not about regulating your insurance but to give access to affordable health insurance, and to reduce the incredible growth of health care spending in the US.

No nation can define itself as great (as US always did) if they do not have Universal Health Care for their citizens and residents. Period!

Peoples work and live their lives in a country and when they are sick do not have health insurance.. Think about this.

The thought that the way the economy is conceived today is the solution to poverty and quality of life.. When it’s is cause. The growth and the economy is the problem not the solution.. The outrageously unlimited personal growth of a few which defines country greatness by the national gross. It’s abusive, unreal and it should be illegal.

Equality, health, culture, work, should set a country a part.


Oh boy, now I stirred some crap..





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LadyX
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:57:55 AM

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baldkate wrote:
All the people that voted for Obama. How wise they
were. They voted for the wrong president. But is that
not done all the time?

All presidents that were elected in the 20th century
were wrong. And some presidents are celebrated as being
great.

Take Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was a war criminal. He
is responsible for the death of millions of people. And
Joseph Stalin was his friend!

Franklin D. Roosevelt is responsible for the Cold War.
He never should have helped Uncle Joe. Adolf Hitler
should have won.

John R. Kennedy. He has accomplished nothing. He
brought the Vietnam war to the USA. He had a lot of
young men killed.

Oh yes. That is where he was very good about. Fucking
around. All the new secretaries that were traveling
with him.

Obama. In 2008 he promised the world to the people. He
would bring down the deficit to zero. And what did he
do? Nothing.

He would stop all wars. Well. The war in Iraq went on.
And Afghanistan? He has send 30,000 more troops to
Afghanistan.

Look. That is what all presidents are doing. Obama too.
They only want to fill their pockets. They don't care
for the people.

Obamacare? What a shit program. But it is good
propaganda. It makes Obama look like a good president
that cares for the poor.

My God. What I now said. I will get the Federal Bureau
of Intimidation involved. The US army will kill me.
They will come to Germany.


keoloke
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:43:46 AM

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baldkate wrote:
All the people that voted for Obama. How wise they
were. They voted for the wrong president. But is that
not done all the time?

All presidents that were elected in the 20th century
were wrong. And some presidents are celebrated as being
great.

Take Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was a war criminal. He
is responsible for the death of millions of people. And
Joseph Stalin was his friend!

Franklin D. Roosevelt is responsible for the Cold War.
He never should have helped Uncle Joe. Adolf Hitler
should have won.

John R. Kennedy. He has accomplished nothing. He
brought the Vietnam war to the USA. He had a lot of
young men killed.

Oh yes. That is where he was very good about. Fucking
around. All the new secretaries that were traveling
with him.

Obama. In 2008 he promised the world to the people. He
would bring down the deficit to zero. And what did he
do? Nothing.

He would stop all wars. Well. The war in Iraq went on.
And Afghanistan? He has send 30,000 more troops to
Afghanistan.

Look. That is what all presidents are doing. Obama too.
They only want to fill their pockets. They don't care
for the people.

Obamacare? What a shit program. But it is good
propaganda. It makes Obama look like a good president
that cares for the poor.

My God. What I now said. I will get the Federal Bureau
of Intimidation involved. The US army will kill me.
They will come to Germany.


Interestingly enough you missed Clinton.



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LadyX
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:47:13 AM

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keoloke wrote:


Interestingly enough you missed Clinton.



Here, I'll do it for her.

Bill Clinton. He was a philanderer, predator, and mass murderer.
He abetted the emerging new world order and encouraged
genocide in the former Yugoslavia.




Did I miss anything?
Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:52:00 AM

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LadyX wrote:



Did I miss anything?


Saxophone playing beatnik pothead.



LadyX
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:54:00 AM

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Magical_felix wrote:


Saxophone playing beatnik pothead.


Come on, Broham. We were having a serious political discussion here. In the midst of sober and measured hypotheticals such as active duty American soldiers dragging her out of her house and shooting her in an allied country based on something posted on a sex stories website, you drop a beatnik pothead reference?

Go play in the word games or something. This is a house of learned thinkers.
Magical_felix
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 9:56:58 AM

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LadyX wrote:


Come on, Broham. We were having a serious political discussion here. In the midst of sober and measured hypotheticals such as active duty American soldiers dragging her out of her house and shooting her in an allied country based on something posted on a sex stories website, you drop a beatnik pothead reference?


Go play in the word games or something. This is a house of learned thinkers.


Thick wife havin' hillbilly too.



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baldkate wrote:

Take Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was a war criminal. He
is responsible for the death of millions of people.

Adolf Hitler
should have won.



i think you might be a little confused on the facts... Hitler was responsible for the genocide of millions, while FDR, as far as i know, was dead at the time of the bombing of hiroshima, if that's what you're referring to?

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Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:22:48 PM

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sprite wrote:


i think you might be a little confused on the facts... Hitler was responsible for the genocide of millions, while FDR, as far as i know, was dead at the time of the bombing of hiroshima, if that's what you're referring to?


FDR was pretty damn dead at the time of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

That decision to drop was between Churchhill and Truman. FDR was several months gone.

And while terrible, it is certainly arguable it expedited the end of the war.

I didn't read the OP, but no president is perfect and I have high respect for Obama. He's done things I don't agree with, but I'll forever be thankful for his courage to pass into law the first BIG step in healthcare reform and universal coverage.

Citizens of a nation having access to affordable care, and not left to die on the street when the medicine to save them is around the block, is part of the social contract every nation should abide by.
Monocle
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:41:24 PM

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You know, I took "Adolph Hitler should have won" to be, at first some sort of lame comment on the incompetence of American presidents. But now I'm beginning to wonder if baldkate actually wished the Nazis had won WWII. So, which is it baldkate? Are you merely ignorant of history, or are you a full-on NeoNazi?
keoloke
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:49:15 PM

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Monocle wrote:
You know, I took "Adolph Hitler should have won" to be, at first some sort of lame comment on the incompetence of American presidents. But now I'm beginning to wonder if baldkate actually wished the Nazis had won WWII. So, which is it baldkate? Are you merely ignorant of history, or are you a full-on NeoNazi?


It's still the Fox News feed. Haaaa

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Guest
Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:45:04 AM

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baldkate wrote:
All the people that voted for Obama. How wise they
were. They voted for the wrong president. But is that
not done all the time?

Obama. In 2008 he promised the world to the people. He
would bring down the deficit to zero. And what did he
do? Nothing.

He would stop all wars. Well. The war in Iraq went on.
And Afghanistan? He has send 30,000 more troops to
Afghanistan.

Look. That is what all presidents are doing. Obama too.
They only want to fill their pockets. They don't care
for the people.

Obamacare? What a shit program. But it is good
propaganda. It makes Obama look like a good president
that cares for the poor.

My God. What I now said. I will get the Federal Bureau
of Intimidation involved. The US army will kill me.
They will come to Germany.
The alternative aka Romney was no better/worse than Obama. The deficit is at its lowest since Clinton was in office, as Fiscal Conservatives usually mess the system up. Who'd have thunk giving the rich tax cuts was such a bad idea? Granted Obama made most of them permanent. Wars do not end overnight, that takes years to make a proper withdrawal. We're out of Iraq and we've downsized significantly in Afganistan.

Obama only cares about filling his pockets? Name a world leader that doesn't. Besides Uruguay's President. Obamacare helped those that couldn't afford Health Insurance. If anything, unless you make more than a certain amount(like a couple hundred thousand a year) this program helped save money for the lower incomes and helped the 40000+ that were uninsured. People were dying needlessly with the old system and Republicans didn't offer an alternative, which the reason for that is, Obamacare aka Affordable Healthcare act was a Republican idea from the beginning, but because Obama passed it, Republicans want to condemn it.
elizabethblack
Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:05:59 AM

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Buz wrote:
There is a great need for healthcare reform. I am sure the current government plan will hit many snafus. There will be many changes made to it over the next few years, hopefully that will make it work better than not. Personally, I do not trust the government to do a very good job. They rarely do and it may become a bureaucratic nightmare. I hope not. It will not effect me that much, except I am sure I will pay more in taxes because of it. What worries me much more is the ever growing trillions of dollars in debt that the federal government is losing ground to on a daily basis without any real concept on how to pay it down or even stem the rise.


I don't like to get into politics - it's a losing proposition. But, having said that. I would like to just say that the Federal government has been taking care of all the medical needs of a huge number of our citizens and none of them have complained about their level of care. Not one that I have talked to.
That segment of the population is our military - active and retired and their families.
Is it perfect? No, nothing is and hopefully we will constantly be vigilant and try to improve. I could make a huge list of things I'm upset about with our government and it's oversight, but I try to work toward believing that when problems are pointed out, the good people of this country will demand that they be fixed.
Personally, I'm one that thinks that if we had had the single payer system with Obamacare we'd be better off. NOT that it wouldn't have been a total mess to start with, but we wouldn't have all the for-profit insurance companies cancelling people's insurance just to make matters worse. They want Obamacare to fail and anything they can do to screw it up, they will do. There are so many countries that do fine with their national health care, I don't know why we think we have to re-invent the wheel instead of studying what they are doing and make any adjustments for our population that we deem necessary.


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baldkate wrote:
All the people that voted for Obama. How wise they
were. They voted for the wrong president. But is that
not done all the time?

All presidents that were elected in the 20th century
were wrong. And some presidents are celebrated as being
great.

Take Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was a war criminal. He
is responsible for the death of millions of people. And
Joseph Stalin was his friend!

Franklin D. Roosevelt is responsible for the Cold War.
He never should have helped Uncle Joe. Adolf Hitler
should have won.

John R. Kennedy. He has accomplished nothing. He
brought the Vietnam war to the USA. He had a lot of
young men killed.

Oh yes. That is where he was very good about. Fucking
around. All the new secretaries that were traveling
with him.

Obama. In 2008 he promised the world to the people. He
would bring down the deficit to zero. And what did he
do? Nothing.

He would stop all wars. Well. The war in Iraq went on.
And Afghanistan? He has send 30,000 more troops to
Afghanistan.

Look. That is what all presidents are doing. Obama too.
They only want to fill their pockets. They don't care
for the people.

Obamacare? What a shit program. But it is good
propaganda. It makes Obama look like a good president
that cares for the poor.

My God. What I now said. I will get the Federal Bureau
of Intimidation involved. The US army will kill me.
They will come to Germany.


Anyone here knows that I am not a fan of President Obama (and not a fan of Bush or Romney either), but I must say Baldkate that you just posted quite possibly the most uneducated post in the history of The Think Tank. Your statements are false and ridiculous. Your statements regarding FDR are especially nonsensical.

Any statement such as "Hitler should have won" is inexcusable and should not be tolerated. Hitler was one of history's worst mass murderers, a racist bigot, and the personification of pure evil.

I just don't know how to respond to someone so utterly ignorant of history, except to say that you should take the time to read and educate yourself. You should especially open your mind.

•••••••••••

I think the implementation of 'Obamacare' has been handled very poorly, but I do hope it will continue to improve, and it is, and be successful. Personally, it does cost me more, but I can live with that. As a community volunteer at a homeless shelter, Habitat for Humanity, and such, I see the urgent need for decent healthcare to reach the poorest people of our society.

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