Oh how moving and tender this is, thank You for bringing it to lush, Master_Jonathan
There is a charm about the forbidden that makes it unspeakably desirable."
C'è un fascino per il proibito che lo rende indicibilmente desiderabile.
— Mark Twain
I thank you humbly Jonathan
Anyone who spends any time in the life fully appreciates the words of the Master practitioners of the gentle art.
Beautiful, Thank you Sir for sharing.
That was wonderful and so very true.
thank You for sharing. that was quite touching.
This is certainly a touching story of a couple in love, who have grown old together, and still feel that love for each other, even as their roles have been reversed. But I am at a loss to see how it speaks to what a D/s relationship is. Are you saying that in a true D/s relationship, Dom and sub will be in love with each other? Is it a D/s relationship because she has stayed by his side "through thick and thin"? Is it about D/s because they have put away the collars and whips? How is that any different than a couple who have danced together for years, but no longer can because of the inevitable problems aging brings? I am sure there are countless MILLIONS of vanilla relationships that would look from the outside exactly like this, where the man has taken a stronger role in the marriage and the woman deferred to him, but now she has had to begin doing the things he always did because he no longer can. That hardly makes them D/s relationships.
And your footnote - once again someone who wants to tell everyone what "true" D/s is. Is there a rule somewhere that grounds and supports your opinion? Of course there isn't. Do you have to be in love to be in that "true" D/s relationship? I think not. Can you have a "true" D/s relationship that is not 24/7/365 (what about Leap Year)? Of course you can. Can you have a "true" D/s relationship that is just for thrills? Why not?
It seems to me that labeling a relationship "D/s" implies some more or less explicit roles of "Dominant" and "submissive". Beyond that, each relationship will, wittingly or unwittingly, create its own definition of what D/s means to them. If your definition of D/s is really the "true" definition, then it follows that any different definition is invalid. I am certain that there are many people who consider themselves in D/s relationships who would unequivocally disagree with you.
OldDom, first off let me re-iterate that I found this poem online and I thought it was very touching - how two people could still be so devoted to each other after all these years. Yes they call themselves Master and submissive, but that is between them. They could just as easily call themselves man and wife or banana and orange - it's their relationship!
Secondly, you and I both know that D/s is a very vague and ethereal topic - each of us has their own journey and their own goals and needs. I do not claim and never have claimed to know all there is to know about D/s. I simply say what MY journey is like - others can follow for as long as it works for them or not. If I can serve as any kind of example I am happy to do so. If I can give advice, I will be happy to. But my journey is mine and my girls alone.
Do I think "real D/s" involves intense emotions? Sure I do. In my experience it has always been so. You can't have that much trust and intimacy without feeling something for the other person. If you are truly connected and not just playing kinky games, you can't help but get emotionally connected. I'm not calling it love necessarily, but there are strong emotions involved in every D/s relationship I've had or known about.
My opinions here or elsewhere about this lifestyle are based on my own knowledge and experiences - many years of them. And I only put them out there to try to help others find their own path - not my path, but there own. They are free to take what I offer or not. It's up to them. And as a Dom yourself, surely you have your way of doing things too - which may be different than others. But neither of us are "right" because there is not "right" way to do D/s... only your own way.
Master_Jonathan wrote: But neither of us are "right" because there is not "right" way to do D/s... only your own way.
That right there defines the relationship....Nothing else matters.. There is no book of instruction...
It is the look in each others eyes that define the soul of any D/s relationship.
Thank you my dear, you honor and humble me with your words. And might I add the same is true from my side as well. There are a lot of "submissive" women on this site, however very few of them know what the name entails. Nor would they, when pressed into service, find the idea of submission as appetizing as their fantasy role is. It takes a strong woman to yield herself and kneel before a man. While the idea of being a submissive is romantic to them, the reality is that they just cannot bear the idea.
I may be an outsider to the lifestyle, but I know this: a true Master does not just seek control, but takes responsibility for his sub's well-being, even when breaking the bond. A man who does not do that, has no honour or code, and does not deserve the honour to be called Master.
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Hey... pssst.... that's an l (as in luscious) at the end of my name, not an i Thank you for sharing this poem. It give true light to the D/s relationship and not the nonsense that some wannabe erotic writings want to share. It does shed a true light on these relationships and how they can grow into so much more.
Wow... I had no idea when I came across this poem and posted it here to share with others that it would cause such "debate"! I merely found it touching and a fine example of not only D/s but of commitment between a man and a woman.
There are far too many people in both vanilla and D/s relationships that for whatever reason give up and throw it away. Now abusive relationships I can understand, but to just not want to play anymore is beyond me. You loved this person enough at one time to want to live with them for the rest of your life. So what changed?
We need more people willing to commit and keep that commitment like this couple have.
Ladies and Gentlemen
As with everything a person does of their own free will, someone, will undoubtedly come forward and say its wrong.
A D/S relationship is after all built on trust commitment and acceptance, from both sides, Dom and Sub. Just as an ordinary relationship is, ours is no different, BUT, who am i to say thats right for everyone.
For those who believe in monogamy ,fine, live your life your way. For the ones who want a harem ,goodluck, men and women are fickle creatures and eventually it will end probably in disaster.
I dont care. I will live MY life how i want to ,I respect the commitment my pet gives me and will honor her for that, with my commitment to her 100%.
I am not a slave master telling her what to think and how to act 24/7, she has a brain and a heart and a soul. She knows what i expect and how I expect her to react and when she does as i ask it honors me.
A relationship like ours grows and matures its not all about Bondage ,pain and sex, there is more to it , and anyone who doesnt think that is crazy.
A quiet talk with your Sub can reveal so much,an insight into their soul and offer ways to reach them you may not have thought of.
We are all of a mind to enjoy ourselves, sexually and mentally, the brain is your biggest sex organ after all.
The difference between pain and pleasure is moot after all.
The one aspect I abhor is emotional pain and suffering inflicted because of the use of a delicate person, one who wanted a relationship not a user.
But thats just me.
Master J chrisM all power to you both ,incite full and instructive your comments lead the way and your words give power to many people
Well put WazzM8, and good for you. I like seeing the words commitment, trust, and respect. I also agree with talking - communication is the key to any good relationship and more so with D/s. And I am right with you on the abhorrence of emotional pain and suffering. D/s should be a loving relationship (IMHO) and if it isn't, you need to get out. No one whether sub or slave, Dom or Master has the right or should have to suffer emotional abuse. The mantra Safe, Sane, and Consensual applies at all times.
Now that Master has spoken I will say what I need to. First I am so grateful for Him and the respect and patience He has for me and with me. I am lucky enough to have found Him and our relationship is all about learning and growing together. Each day we talk and learn new things.
With that being said, I've been on the receiving end of the abuse spoken here. Some people who call themself Dom, Master, Sir, Daddy really have no idea what those words mean or what they entail. As a sub whose first experiences were not by a person who took me serious or my feelings into account on many occassions. I am very grateful for threads like this and the people who saw me faltering after being broken. People who were there to say you've done nothing wrong. Some people have no idea what it means to be a true Dom. I will forever be grateful to them and although I won't name them I do hope they see this as well as the fellow sub that is always ready with advice as I keep learning and growing.
Master will always make sure I am comfortable in all we do as He continues to pick up the pieces left by someone else. Our relationship is first and foremost built on respect and trust. This is ours and ours alone as I know everyone else is different but this works for us. Our connection is so great that He knows when i need a moment or when something is bothering me that we need to address. This is a need in any relaionship not just D/s but husband/wife as well. Without trust, respect, a connection what are you left with. Thank you Master_Jonathan for this thread and thank you Sir Chris for allowing me to post your beautiful poem here. Always thank you Master for the respect you show me in everything.
