Topic Pope Resigns
12 Feb 2013 08:58
I have read these two pages and have to say there is a LOT of wrong impressions, preconcepts, ignorance and just plain old snotty up-yor-nose mentality here.
First things first, Catholicism is THE original form of organized Christianity; when Emperor Costantine summoned the Council of Nicaea, the "Roman" Bishops were the first to arrive (they were the ones who actually drafted the summons in the first place!) It was the Arian, Gnostic and many Easter Bishops (Syriac, Mesopotamian and Coptic) who were either not summoned, or refused participation under various pretextes - and that is history.
The result is that the majority of issues discussed were agreed "in the Catholic interpretation" because that is what the Emperor wanted - a "one size fits all" religion which had enough Classical Roman (pagan to you) Egyptian, Zoroastrian and Mesopotamian characteristics to appear acceptable to all "would be" converts - to the point entire populations converted once their King or High Priest converted (see St.Ursula as an example)
Secondly, to claim the (Catholic) Church exported tyranny, greed, corruption and paedophilia is true, is we consider all those things were rampant in the Mediterranean for the previous 3000 years and more.
One could, by similar reasoning, claim the USA is exporting democracy through the goodwill ambassadors called B-52, F-117 abd B-2, with a little help from drones and depleted uranium shells.
You are NOT without sin.
Third, the Church is, to this day, the world's oldest surviving absolute monarchy, there is no Criminal Code of Law discussed by a Parliament, and "Parliament" (Conclave) only meets in average once every 25-30 years to elect the new Pope.
Incidentally, the Cardinals do not meet in a threater or ballroom, they convene in the Sistine Chapel, and are LOCKED IN (that is why it is called "Conclave").
Fourth, don't get me running about with "witch hunts" but there is a difference between the Holy Inquisition and the Witch Hunts of the 16th - 17th Century.
The Inquisition was a Tribunal, a Court of Law; the lay, the famous and the infamous have been tried, the records are available, apparently less that 5% of those tried were found guilty. Among them, Francisco Goya, the painter, and Giordano Bruno, Italian monk and philosopher. In Spain, France, Latin America, it tried not only those accused of blasphemy and those accused of witchcraft, but also those accused of planting false evidence against the former.
See the trial in "The Name of the Rose" as an example - two of the tried and convicted were blasphemous monks and murderers - the third a girl accused of witchcraft when, these days, she would be recognized as mentally handicapped.
Last, the Church is the oldest surviving government, it has been carrying on business since the 4th Century - 1600+ years. Nobody has beaten that record yet, and it gets more difficult day after day.
One of you said "A true religion should trascend time". If you ask any well-learned archaeologist, anthropologist or rabbi, they will tell you that the oldest surviving religion, Judaism, is NOT the same as was practiced at the times of King Herod, never mind Abraham!
Quite the contrary! And, to be honest, one could even dispute whether Abraham, Noah and Adam were jewish, shaman Priest Kings or simply people whose names went town in history because THOSE stories survived time, and others did not.
Else, if you read the Hindu Holy Scriptures, which are just as old as the Torah, you will read of flying machines shooting flaming arrows at each other, steel dragons spewing fire from every pore, and hordes of infantry on Earth fighting a war for their Lords in Heaven...
Very similar to the Ancient Egyptian lore of Orisis, his son Horus and the evil uncle Seth ...
So, unless the next Pope is Cardinal Appiah Turkson, this is NOT the end of the world...
Why do I quote Card. Appiah Turkson ? Because his first name is ... Peter... and he would be the second Peter to sit in Rome - the Second Coming...