Topic Socialism an illusion or the real solution?
03 Jan 2013 06:49
I think you're a bit in the wrong here. When it comes to political systems what will be accepted and work is very often based on cultural history. An area with a culture that widely accepts the fact that you are the creator of your own wealth and happyness and that you should not rely on society to give you anything, thus being very individualistic, will have more problems accepting socialism than an area with a culture for always helping each other out.
In the case of the US socialism would have to be implented very very gradually and over a long period of time for it to be accepted, simply because the culture is very right winged compared to other countries that are more prone to going in the socialist direction.
And Buc; that's complete and utter bullocks, untrue and sounds like some propaganda that is spewed directly out of FOX News.
I would like to pitch in with my own two cents' worth, because I have "been there, done that" in quite a few "theres" and done quite a few "thats".
ByonLord is certainly well learned and has got things well focused; 1Ball, on the other hand, fits the stereotype so well described in that famous novel "The Ugly American"; may I suggest he NOT visit Europe while on holiday, or learn to keep his mouth shut, because his cultural and political "certainties" would make the locals quite upset - and I don't mean the French alone, either.
ElitfromNorth has, again, hit the nail on the head. True, as PhareduPhour claims, "a system is a system", but, just like you can't irrigate a square field with a system that goes around in circles (you would leave out the corners), you cannot "shock and awe" a foreign country and march your foreign troops in the cities and claim "Hark! Me brings Democracy!"... especially when that Country is one of the world's most ancient countries, and has been exporting culture quite successfully for the last 5000 years as a monarchy in its many guises.
I am sincerely surprised not many of you realized the "European Socialist States" quoted many times, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, are actually Constitutional Monarchies.
I am sadly surprised nobody has also noticed that none of these three (and I'll add the Netherlands, Belgium and Spain in this) actually never ever declared nor started a war in the last 100+ years of European history.
True, Spain did have a civil war, but it was a civil war... and it did lose a war in the 1890's, but that was started by the staunch defender of Democracy, the United States.
I would like you all to realize that whatever model works in one nation may well flunk bitterly in another nation for the simple reason of culture .
Why is Norway so rich and peaceful and prosper, and Venezuela in such poor shape? Because in Norway there is a certain culture, which calls for certain political ethics, which are evidently absent in Venezuela.
This also applies to the same Nation, in differing historical times. Italy under Mussolini was in a dictatorship, true, but that dictatorship implemented class reforms like never before, ensured public health, education and welfare, rebuilti the industry and made Italy one of Europe's most industrialized nations... all this was done under extremely rigid political discipline, such that nobody in his right mind ever tried any "hanky panky".
Unfortunately for the People, in 1939 Mussolini ruined it all and went to war, again...
However, in the last 20 years, so many political corruption scandals rocked Italy that the entire Party system was overthrown and remodeled, and now it's happening again.
It would have been unheard of under Mussolini; the US put all the old Party hyerarchy on trial but they were all acquitted - they were that clean.
So, you can't go and export democracy anymore than you can export rap music, or mayonnaise, or beef jerky; if it isn't compatible with the receiving end's culture, it's bound to fail, possibly in violence.
Iraq failed, Afghanistan failed, Somalia failed... all because the "imported goods" were not suitable with the receiving market.
If all some cultures can understand is "monarchy", let them have it; a controlled, constitutional monarchy is a far safer solution than a republic which simply won't work.
It's like feeding rump steak to a baby with no teeth; just because it's good for Daddy doesn't mean it's good for Baby, too.