Forum posts made by magical_felix

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 16:50

i thought, for a while, that this was going to be a needed conversation on rape culture attitudes, but i see it's devolved into an unwinnable shoving match about guns once again. glad to see we have our priorities straight. guns out rank women. the debate over the second amendment is more important than make sure that women have a culture in which they feel safe.

You wanted to know what gun nuts like weavindreams think about rape culture.




Sprite, while I agree with you wholeheartedly and have NO explanation for events of this sort (it's foreign to my own mindset, and there is; as a result NO WAY for me too understand it either). These are two separate issues. DO NOT mistake them for being the same issue because it was the motive for one sorry excuse for a man. All I can say is that when the likes of Tiger Woods are defended publicly by WOMEN, it sends the WRONG message to young males. But, once again; HOW do you stop such idiocy in a FREE society? All too much of our entertainment is just as corruptive, Add in drug and alcohol glorification (EVEN HERE! much of it by? WOMEN) and use and this IS the result! I wish there was a simple, effective answer; sadly I'm afraid there isn't. BUT, IT DOES speak to the NEED for women to LEGALLY obtain, learn to use and obtain permits for...FIREARMS!


There you go. He blames women themselves. And he suggests you buy a gun.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 16:09




Damn Felix... that shot is a bullseye! Very well put.

I see what you did there laughing8

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 16:07



i have, and would, but it seems that the guys screaming about their right to own an arsenal don't listen. it's wonderful to live in a society where you have no voice. what really hit me were all those face book comments. can't anyone here wrap their head about what reading those feels like? to be the focus of that kind of hate for no cause other than gender? to know that there are people out there who think and believe like that, and to know that they're one step away from talking the talk to walking the walk? it's just a little depressing, is all.

They don't listen or more like they don't have an answer for you. Many men hear feminism and they think you want to take their rights away rather than wanting women to be treated equally and for women to not have to think about the repercussions of saying no.

I can wrap my head around it to an extant because I have been the target of hate for simply being the race I am. A successful uppity one too so I'm extra anger inducing to some.

That's why I asked if you think misogyny and rape culture warped his thoughts into thinking he was justified. Should we be scared of the other young men saying vile things on the internet about what happened? What real life, tangible things can be done besides saying "we need to change rape culture"? That is why I included guns and mental illness too. Rape culture being bad and the need for feminism isn't even a debate. Not one I would take seriously anyway.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 15:44

i thought, for a while, that this was going to be a needed conversation on rape culture attitudes, but i see it's devolved into an unwinnable shoving match about guns once again. glad to see we have our priorities straight. guns out rank women. the debate over the second amendment is more important than make sure that women have a culture in which they feel safe.


So go ahead and discuss it. I have discussed my views on rape culture. Elicia has. Xuani has. The gun tards haven't of course. But that is fine because this thread is about a mass killing about all three of these things. Guns, rape culture and mental illness.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 15:40



Xuani called it a while ago. This was always intended to be a "gun" thread, although if was disguised as something else in the beginning.



It says guns right there in the title and I also go on about guns in the very first opening thread post. The thread I started was about three different things.

Mental illness.

Guns.

Misogyny.

I even numbered them... Have you even stated anything that wasn't about guns until I basically forced you too and you came up with "we should have them willingly undergo mental health treatment"? The only reason you mentioned mental illness is because I forced you too because all you did was come in and cry about someone taking your guns away. After I started this thread everyone decided to talk about guns because that is the tangible part of the three things I posted about. A couple people posted some obvious truths about misogyny and who is gonna disagree about that?

Not to take anything away from Xuani's incredible detective skills in sniffing out that this was a gun thread (so cleverly hidden in the TITLE) but here is the original thing I posted so you guys aren't confused.

Friday Shooting Spree

As most all of you have probably heard already there was another murderous rampage by a young man this friday, this time in California. The link above has the story if you do not know yet.

As I was reading the details about this from several sources I couldn't help but wonder about some things. Some of which have been discussed here on lush but never in the same thread.


1. This man made it pretty clear that he was on edge. He made videos. Had purchased multiple guns and talked about these dark thoughts with several people to the extent that his parents and a counselor were prompted to contact the police before his shooting spree happened.

What can be done when all the warning signs are there but no crime has actually happened yet?

Is it ethical to take actions against someone who hasn't specifically threatened a person by name?


2. He stabbed some of his victims but also used guns to kill others and hurt a lot more. He had three hand guns and 400 rounds of ammunition remaining in his car.

Does the ease of acquiring guns and stockpiling ammunition have anything to do with wether someone actually goes through with these killing sprees?

If he only had knives, do you think he would have still done this in the first place?

Do you think he would have managed to do so much killing and injured as many as he did without guns?


3. People with mental illness, surprisingly, have a lower rate of violence than the general population. He claimed to be a nice guy and a true gentlemen in his you tube videos and was very hurt that women didn't see these qualities in him. He was jealous of what he felt were inferior men with beautiful women and he didn't understand why he was still a virgin because he had a nice car and nice clothes and glasses etc.

Is it a cop out to simply state these killers are crazy?

Do you think rape culture and a misogynist society contributed to this guy rationalizing his actions?

Do phrases like, "what if it was your daughter" instill in men that they should only care about what happens to a women if they are perceived as their property?


“Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.”
-Margaret Atwood.

Do you agree with this quote? Do you think it's an exaggeration and was this just another crazy guy and that's it? That it isn't a misogynist society breeding men like this, it isn't gun culture, it's just a tragedy that just happened?





Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 15:30



Actually, you haven't.

I have. In fact I reiterated it.



The fact that people in America get all up in arms about any kind of step toward gun legislation is really bizarre. Its crazy that a car rental place won't even rent someone a car unless they are 25 but this kid can buy a bunch of guns at 22. Because we all know what great decisions 22 year olds make.

Why can't there be a department of firearms like there is for cars? What is so wrong about that? It's not banning guns. It's not getting rid of the second amendment. It would be a way to ensure that all the guns purchased by someone stay in their possession. Tests and training to get a license should be required just like it's required for a car since cars can be deadly. Can you imagine if we treated cars like guns? You can just go buy one without a license or any experience. Can you imagine all the accidents on the roads. But no... The pro-gun Americans think that is somehow unconstitutional. It's ridiculous.





Registering firearms once a year to make sure they are still in your possession or making people take a few tests and classes before owning one doesn't take your right to own a gun away




AND he probably owns a bunch of guns... But I guess asking someone like him to take a few tests and classes where his obvious psychosis can be caught before he acquires a bunch of guns is unconstitutional.



It's impossible to know how many people have guns since there is no registry... But it's estimated there are over 250 million guns. Of all those millions how many of those gun owners have a concealed weapons permit? The fact that you are using that as any kind of argument is ridiculous.

A registry isn't so Obama can come take your guns. It's for making sure guns stay in the hands of the original owner. Cops can use it to see how many guns are in a home before they enter it. You don't think that is a useful piece of information for them? Where do you think black market guns come from? Do you think they grow on trees? They are made here, they fall off a truck here, they are stolen here, they are given away here. All of them were legal at one point. Since there is no registry it's all too easy to lose track of a gun. Just the fact that they are so easy to obtain has companies making more and more guns. Black market guns aren't being made by criminals here in the US. Maybe in the Philippines but here in the US all those black market guns are just guns that were legal at one point.



As a society we failed the victims because we refuse to do anything about making it easy for madmen to kill them. You can't rid the country of madness, misogyny and violence with the stroke of a pen but you can rid the country of insane people having guns by having registries in place, having mandatory classes, extensive testing and extended wait periods for guns.


You think all those measures wouldn't help weed out insane people like your fellow nudist above having guns? Insane people can't jump through all those hoops. You think all those measures wouldn't stop people in some dark mindset for a couple weeks from obtaining a gun and carrying out some moment of insanity. You know damn well you can just go to a gun show and take home guns as easily and way faster than going out to a car lot and taking a car home today.

Why are you so against responsibility. Are you afraid you wont pass the tests? Has the government come and taken your car because it's registered? No and No. So why are you so against a responsible gun system?



The thing is, what the hell can anyone do about our whole culture. Nothing. We can take very reasonable steps toward a department of firearms that is run like the DMV. That in no way goes against the second amendment. The second amendment is the right to bear arms not the right to bear as many arms as you want with absolutely no restrictions or regulations. Like Nudiepants said, with enough money you can get ahold of pretty much anything short of your own drone. So are they really arguing that we should all be able to have guns to overthrow the government or to police ourselves or defend ourselves like the second amendment was intended or do they just like blowing stuff up and satiating their paranoia and fear with a bunch of guns they don't need and creating a demand for more and more guns to be made that will eventually end up in the wrong hands the more guns there are?



The irony of what you are proposing though is that it would create more laws and more paperwork and more bureaucracy than what I am proposing in having a department that regulates guns in a thorough and useful way . You argue more laws and regulations don't help anything but that is what you are proposing. I guess it's okay as long as it has nothing to do with guns. What is even more ridiculous is that your guns wouldn't even be taken away.

Do you want me to list everything you have avoided now because you don't have the mental fortitude to answer?



Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 14:19



So which one of your new laws would have prevented Rodgers from carrying out his mad attacks, and how?

I have stated that already. I asked you several questions throughout this thread that you don't have the mental fortitude to answer. Do you want me to repeat them neatly all in one post for you?

Topic Why are some men such fucking girls?
Posted 28 May 2014 13:38

Why are men such pussies? Well some would say, "you are what you eat."

You know.

Is that why you are a dickhead?

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 13:34



Meh. You want to live in a perfectly safe environment, go find yourself a NERF planet and move there. I never said make confinement in a mental health facility mandatory. I said offer counseling to kids who appear to need it. And I never said more laws wouldn't help. I said YOUR laws wouldn't help.



Have you said why registering guns and real waiting periods and classes and mandatory training before getting a gun wouldn't help or have you just stated they wouldn't? I'm all ears.

I didn't say you said to make them mandatory I said you would need to for that to work. Are you trying to say someone like Rodger would go to a mental health facility willingly? His parents reported him to the police. Do you think they didn't try to get him help before resorting to that? Laughable and talk about a bandaid solution.

Topic Why are some men such fucking girls?
Posted 28 May 2014 13:26



I'm not like all men on here I promise, show me your tits.

Just kidding overmykneenow. Calm your moobs.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 12:59



This will get us started.


How Pick Up Artist Philosophy and its Misogynist Backlash Shaped the Mind of a Killer

The Terrifying, Twisted Online World of Involuntary Celibates

The Pick-Up Artist Community's Predictable, Horrible Response to a Mass Murder

and not one I necessarily endorse, but I'm still thinking about the points within:

White Guy Killer Syndrome: Elliot Rodger's Deadly, Privileged Rage


Yeah all this shit is pathetic and it's right up there with penis enlarging pills and snake oil. Sounds like something desperate our immediate gratification culture has created. Men think they can pay their three easy payments of 19.99 and they will be taught how to pick up chicks from the bar instantly and they can finally get their dick wet. I can see the most inept, lonely and gullible of men falling for this. Unfortunately what can you do about it? Snake oil salesmen have been part of america since before it was even America and now they have freedom of speech and capitalism on their side.

It is disturbing that men will buy into that. That they think women work that way to begin with. The whole system adds to it. Its passed down from father to son, they see their moms give into it or not even notice it happening. The media blasts it on every screen. Music, listen to rap, R&B, dance, country just to name some of the more popular genres and it's there too. ~ You know you want it ~ How many women themselves sing about needing a man or their world is empty? Open up a comic book aimed at teenage boys and look at the way women are drawn compared to men. Even some of the most socially aware comic books like the X-Men drop the ball when it comes to the way they depict women. They have strong female characters but they also have to be sexy. In the new movie which I thought was great they have an incredible female lead in jennifer lawrence playing a complex not quite hero not quite villain character. That is great except they chose to make her naked most of the time. What does it mean that she is naked? Could be it just looks cool, 14 years ago thats how they first made that character for the big screen (she's clothed in the comics), it could make more sense for her power, or it could be that yeah they made an incredible female character but guess what, she's still gonna be naked.

And what does it all mean? Why are we like that? What can we realistically do about it when it relates to mass killings? We can't really change our whole system in a timely manner can we? It takes generations, centuries for us to change that. History can show you that. 100 years ago it was harder to be a woman. 100 years before that is was even harder. It still is hard. Thats why I posted the quote about men being afraid of rejection and women being afraid of death. But there are no laws that can be made to protect women from a misogynistic mindset. In fact the first amendment protects them. In time the more and more these type of men like rodger don't breed the less of them there will be. 2,000 years from now they might almost be extinct.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 12:19



All right. If you're serious instead of just wanting to rant about your own personal bugaboos.

First, I'd decriminalize pot. Start commuting sentences and reducing prison populations. Use the savings to open up some of the mental health treatment centers that were defunded during the Reagan years. I'd require teachers to have more training in child development and how to perform mental health evaluations. I'd require children to have more thorough mental health screenings, and require schools to tighten up their wasteful spending and offer counseling to students that appear to need it.

And I'd hire someone to bitchslap Elliot Rodger's absentee parents into the next century.

That would do a helluva lot more that any of your bullshit would.

I agree with that. The only thing is you'd have to make mental health facilities mandatory BEFORE the patient has committed a crime. The thing is that mandatory health facilities (I live by one of the largest criminally insane mental institutions in the US) tend to not release their patients/inmates. They are there for life. Would it be ethical to put people like elliot rodger in such a place before he even commits a crime?

The irony of what you are proposing though is that it would create more laws and more paperwork and more bureaucracy than what I am proposing in having a department that regulates guns in a thorough and useful way. You argue more laws and regulations don't help anything but that is what you are proposing. I guess it's okay as long as it has nothing to do with guns. What is even more ridiculous is that your guns wouldn't even be taken away.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 12:08



That's true.

Lots could be said about misogyny and rape culture, how we got to this point where there is so much supposed equality yet so much objectification. How much of the media drives it, and how much of it is engendered in universities. Is it more of a white collar/upper class problem? Is white privilege itself dangerous in some ways? How much is left to be said between girls/womens plights today? Does glorifying the murderer make him a perverse patron saint among other angry/spurned misanthropes? How about the pickup artist subculture's extremely sexist response to all this? How much could we talk about here besides gun control? I'd say a lot.

But yes, if the discussion is about proactively going about solving/reducing gun crimes in general, then of course less guns will accomplish that. We've been through that debate here a time or twelve.

Like I said before, though, I think I just mistook the purpose of the your thread.

Unfortunately the other gun thread was deleted out of nowhere when a certain naked thread mediator that is now not one embarrassed himself repeatedly. If it hadn't had been deleted I would argue about guns in that thread.

I haven't seen the response by the pick up artist subculture but I have seen you mention it twice. Why don't you post some links so we can inform ourselves although I suspect they also glorified him as a hero.

I don't think it's white privilege. It's a society that is used to immediate gratification, fast food, pretty colors at the movies, being able to live in a very comfortable way for relatively cheap. One of the only things left that a male has to actually work for is the true affection from a woman. You can't just go buy that. You can't just achieve it in a day or a week or a month. You combine that very human fact with our culture of immediate gratification - that we all love lets not kid ourselves - darwinism and guns and you have a recipe for what happened last friday. When you add something like a gun to the mix you no longer have survival of the fittest. You have something else. There will always be males that women pass on. Always. And the same for women males don't want.

The thing is, what the hell can anyone do about our whole culture. Nothing. We can take very reasonable steps toward a department of firearms that is run like the DMV. That in no way goes against the second amendment. The second amendment is the right to bear arms not the right to bear as many arms as you want with absolutely no restrictions or regulations. Like Nudiepants said, with enough money you can get ahold of pretty much anything short of your own drone. So are they really arguing that we should all be able to have guns to overthrow the government or to police ourselves or defend ourselves like the second amendment was intended or do they just like blowing stuff up and satiating their paranoia and fear with a bunch of guns they don't need and creating a demand for more and more guns to be made that will eventually end up in the wrong hands the more guns there are?

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 11:43



You're a joke and your reasoning if such it can be called is flawed at best. The stats on firearms crime are abundantly clear, more laws are NOT needed better enforcement IS. Now, you and that needlessly massive ego of yours are free to MOVE to anywhere you please on the planet. I understand gun ownership by citizens is also banned in: China, North Korea, Vietnam, or ANY of the Islamic nations...bon voyage! Write if you get work!

Aren't you the guy that was stalking and harassing various females on this site not too long ago? I remember reading your disturbing rants on here before. They rejected you and you were going off about how they are liars and whores and shit like that after they wanted you to just leave them alone.

For every one of those countries there are twice as many more that have the same laws that don't have their problems. You're a stupid old dinosaur and I'm not gonna reply to you anymore because you bog down the thread with idiocy and it makes it boring to read.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 11:32



In terms of solving it and stacking it neatly into a drawer, you're right. You can't prevent violence or insanity any more than you can prevent jealousy or anger.

But I was interested in what your original post implied, that this one is a unique mixture of class/race entitlement, rape culture, and gun violence. If it was just a setup to reveal that all but gun control were fallacious arguments to make, then I mistook the point of the thread.

It's a pretty juicy topic aside from that though, even if it's not the discussion you were aiming for.


Right off the bat the first reply was about guns because what has anyone said about misogyny that isn't just "well it's wrong". The combination of our rape culture society made him justify his actions as righteous in his mind and many other men's minds. The guns gave him the balls too. We can't regulate misogyny but we can guns like every other civilized nation does. I said it would be great if we could actually do something legally and ethically to people that have these warning signs but we really can't economically or morally.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 11:28



Uh huh. If you think inpatients can't get drugs, you're stupid. But enough of your strawmen...

This event wasn't a "spree". It was planned, premeditated. He waited years before acting. I could guess why these types of madmen usually kill themselves before being caught, but it would only be my personal theories, so lacking fact or data I'll refrain.

Keep focusing on semantics and metaphors that go over your head. What an idiot.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 11:22



That's not really what I was implying; I could have been clearer.

I do think a casualty of gun-rights debates is that even now, the underlying recipe for violence isn't dealt with. I think guns are a big problem. I don't think they're the entire problem. As I stated before, this case brings to light a few things different than most mass shootings lately, and makes a whole other discussion possible. If you want to just stick with the gun angle though, fair enough.

There is no solution for making people not violent. It is our defining trait as human beings. It says GUNS right there in the title of my thread. Gun regulation at the moment is the only thing we can even begin to discuss as a solution because there is no intelligent arguments for anything else. I haven't heard any from any of you.

For example. Look at this genius.

This shouldn't even be a pro-gun vs anti-gun discussion. It should be a "how can we be proactive in preventing wackos from repeating this kind of terror attack" discussion.

He says it shouldn't be about guns but rather about how to prevent wackos from doing this. BUT then thats where his ideas stop. He has none. No one has any. Civilized nations on par with us have all adopted legitimate gun programs and laws and this doesn't happen there. It's not hard to understand. It's something that can be researched and actually measured with statistics. "stopping wackos from doing this" while keeping guns in their hands. Is just a statement. Go ahead nudiepants. How should we go about doing that?

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 11:14



Yes, junkies in treatment programs get illicit drugs smuggled in every day. And what are you gonna do - get rid of every stick in the world? No, unless you're an asshole, you teach the kid not to hit.

Elliott Rodger was a severely disturbed individual. He was able to obtain firearms in a state with some of the strictest firearms laws in the nation. More laws wouldn't have prevented this. This wasn't a brief "dark period" in his life. He plotted it for years.

Assume for a moment that we live in your gun-free utopia, and that Rodger wasn't able to use a firearm. So? His first three victims were all stabbed to death. In your mind, I suppose that's a more pleasant way to be murdered.

He would have used knives, bombs, clubs, even his cherished BMW. The death toll might have been even higher, the tragedy greater. People like you are the problem, because you refuse to acknowledge what the real problem is. You want to blame a tool for the actions of the user, and that's not only counter productive, it's just insane.

They are the strictest in a nation where the laws aren't strict at all.

If he could have done the same with a knife and kill more people like you say then why didn't he keep using the knife. Why didn't he use the knife to kill himself instead of the gun? Why do the spree killers all kill themselves before getting caught in almost every spree killing? Because the guns give them the balls too, that's why.

You obviously know nothing about treatment centers. The doctors can tell when someone is on heroin lol.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 11:09



Not really making a pro-gun argument here. Just stating that in this case, I think we were dealing with one of those who'd have projected his rage at others one way or the other.

Some ways are less deadly than others.

You said there was merit in not making it hard for people like this to stockpile firearms because they were gonna do something stupid anyway. Don't see how anyone with common sense could think that the result would have been the same if he didn't have the fire power he had.

The onion's article on this was pretty spot on even if it's tongue in cheek.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1821004/original.jpg

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 10:55



Do I wish he hadn't had a gun? Yes. In this case though, do I think he'd have probably knifed a few people, maybe started an apartment fire, and perhaps run somebody down in his car? Yes.

Nothing scientific, just a hunch.



By that way of thinking why not just make fully automatic weapons legal then? I mean he was gonna kill someone anyway. I guess he would have managed to hit nearly 20 people with his car right? If he was lucky he would have started the fire in a way where the building burned down before the firemen got there right? Why don't we hear more stories about apartment buildings trapping everyone inside and killing them all before the firemen get there? Must be because they are good at what they do.

If they are going to kill anyway and it's not guns then why do we even have any kind of laws about it. Why are some guns banned and some aren't? What is the difference then.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 10:44



None if which would have done a single thing to prevent a single one of any of the recent acts of violence committed by mad men.



You think all those measures wouldn't help weed out insane people like your fellow nudist above having guns? Insane people can't jump through all those hoops. You think all those measures wouldn't stop people in some dark mindset for a couple weeks from obtaining a gun and carrying out some moment of insanity. You know damn well you can just go to a gun show and take home guns as easily and way faster than going out to a car lot and taking a car home today.

Why are you so against responsibility. Are you afraid you wont pass the tests? Has the government come and taken your car because it's registered? No and No. So why are you so against a responsible gun system? People like you are what is wrong with society. If guns dont make it easier for these people to go on a spree killing then why don't they use knives or clubs nudiepants? Answer the question, or you can ignore it because you have no answer that doesn't make you look stupid.

As far as your strawman argument goes, if you want to "cure" a heroin junkie, you get him into a treatment program. You don't remove the substance, because you can't. He'll always be able to get it if he wants it badly enough. You remove the desire for it. Give any other answer and you're just fooling yourself

Oh you mean that they have heroin for the junkies in the treatment program? And the the treatment program is just a bunch of people convincing the junkie to not take heroin? LOL a treatment program forces the junkie to get clean and go through the withdrawals by taking the heroin away...

You can't remove the desire for people to commit violence. That's the thing nudiepants. You can't do that. There is no answer for that. You CAN remove a tool that makes it easy for people to kill a bunch of innocent people though.

The way you think is so stupid. It's like having two children in a room and one of them keeps hitting the other with a stick... Instead of taking the stick away so the victim stops getting their head split open your solution is remove the desire for the kid hitting the other with a stick but you have no way of actually removing that desire. Your solution is to basically do nothing. That or give the other kid a stick too right? So they can both fuck each other up. But then one kid gets a bigger stick so the other kid needs a bigger stick and on and on and on. When you could have just taken the stick away to begin with THEN try and figure out how to remove the desire for violence. Your solution is backwards.

All because you enjoy your little man's hobby of shooting. I get it you need to feel powerful somehow. But when does common sense and the wake of despair left behind after these senseless mass murders outweigh your love for your hobby?


Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 09:18



In any event, the discussion her should not be about gun control, knife control, club control, or car control. The discussion should be about society. How did society fail the victims of this madman?

As a society we failed the victims because we refuse to do anything about making it easy for madmen to kill them. You can't rid the country of madness, misogyny and violence with the stroke of a pen but you can rid the country of insane people having guns by having registries in place, having mandatory classes, extensive testing and extended wait periods for guns.

When a junkie has a problem with heroin the first thing people around them do if they want him to get clean is take away the heroin. If you ask the junkie the first thing he will say is that the heroin isn't the problem, he'll say trying to get more and more heroin is the problem. You ask a gun nut like yourself the same question and the last thing you believe anyone can ever do to stop gun violence is to regulate guns in a serious way.

On a side note, It did make me laugh that there is more than one gun nut nudist in this thread. Where does a nudist conceal his gun anyway?

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 09:09


We are also talking about a relatively SMALL...ILAND nation. And, a nation wih many OTHER laws that differ from our own. (PC don't fly there. SO, how many of THOSE do you want to propose?)



So your answer is because they are an island nation and "other" laws. What are the other laws? And it's not that small its similar to the size of california in population.

Oh Ok now I get ya. No He would not (or SHOULD NOT) have been sold a gun HERE IF he had been making threats at the time of purchase. In fact, sellers routinely ASK, "You don't intend to shot anyone with this gun do you?"

LOL Jim Bob asks Hoyt Clyde "you aint's gonna be shootin' no one is you?" at the time of purchase. Well then, how thorough.

One insult following another with you and your friend up there and she wonders WHY I talk down to the two of you. She starts off with the idea that anyone and everyone who owns a firearm is an ignorant, moronic fool and then gets insulted when I treat her Pollyana thinking as imbecilic?

I would never feel talked down to by someone moronic... But you aren't really proving her wrong.

Oh and Felix, a firearm owner with a concealed carry permit is already held liable for any harm his or her rounds may do whether or not they hit the intended target.

It's impossible to know how many people have guns since there is no registry... But it's estimated there are over 250 million guns. Of all those millions how many of those gun owners have a concealed weapons permit? The fact that you are using that as any kind of argument is ridiculous.

A registry isn't so Obama can come take your guns. It's for making sure guns stay in the hands of the original owner. Cops can use it to see how many guns are in a home before they enter it. You don't think that is a useful piece of information for them? Where do you think black market guns come from? Do you think they grow on trees? They are made here, they fall off a truck here, they are stolen here, they are given away here. All of them were legal at one point. Since there is no registry it's all too easy to lose track of a gun. Just the fact that they are so easy to obtain has companies making more and more guns. Black market guns aren't being made by criminals here in the US. Maybe in the Philippines but here in the US all those black market guns are just guns that were legal at one point.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 01:04


I only asked because I thought that in the Waco siege there was a lot of legally owned weapons like that, not tanks though.
AK 47's an Uzi's are legal aren't they? They are assault weapons, not weapons of defence!
Your idea of passing a test seemed to me like a sensible one. Maybe add that insurance is mandatory, like with cars.

Yeah but they can't be fully automatic. BUT you can purchase one legally, take it home and convert it to full auto if you want.

The insurance is a good idea actually in case some dumbass misses his target or fires it by mistake and hits you. They should have to cover all your medical bills.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 00:48


Now this is a serious question, I know little about how much the law allows in the US.
Is it legal to own hand grenades, rocket launchers, bazookas or tanks? How far can you go over there, where is the line drawn?

I'm pretty sure you can't own any of that except maybe a grenade in some states. I'm sure one of the gun nuts knows all the loop holes and exactly what you need to do to get a grenade. You can probably have a tank actually but without artillery shells and shit like that. It's just a vehicle without the ammunition.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 28 May 2014 00:20



Do you do ANY thinking before you type? No actual police force? Who do you think enforced the laws that WERE in existence? The fairy god mother? Whether you call them police or militia or city guard or whatever, police have existed in some form from the beginnings of civilization! Native American tribes had "police" in the form of "shirt wearers" who enforced tribal laws! And, yes, to those of you who have never been to locales where unarmed people were at the mercy of anyone who DID have a gun I guess it might seem "paranoid and silly". Just as it might to those who have never been held up by an armed robber. (Yes, as a teenager.) Nor, have a clue what a fight to the death IS. (Again, YES!) FYI this nation has NEVER been "safe"! It has always been a dangerous place to live as is ANY society! WHY? Because, butcherous cowards who prey upon the weak, helpless and DEFENSELESS have ALWAYS existed and still do! Prostitution may be the oldest profession but crime is as old as mankind. Silly? What is SILLY is the Pollyana notion that by passing a law or two you can some how legislate ANYTHING out of existence. IF such were the case there would be no: drugs, prostitution or crime. The last time I looked our nation was filled with prisons so over crowded that they REGULARLY discharge animals back into our midst after they have served only a fraction of the sentence they were given.
Oh, and as to your assumption that you are far and away more intelligent than men like Jefferson and Franklin (whom you obviously regard as being mere bumpkins by comparison as they didn't live in this technologically advanced age... laughing6

Militia aren't a police force. When the constitution was written we were a baby nation without many things like a police force. In those times it was also possible for all the men of this new nation to grab their musket and fight off the British if they returned because we didn't have a military like we have now. It's fairly simple to understand.

Oh, and as to your assumption that you are far and away more intelligent than men like Jefferson and Franklin (whom you obviously regard as being mere bumpkins by comparison as they didn't live in this technologically advanced age... laughing6

Where did I say that? Like seriously. If you can't even comprehend what you are reading how can you be expected to comprehend a situation where guns are involved. That is what is scary. Dumb ass people with guns.

Can you explain why Japan has virtually no gun murders. They have a total ban on guns and they seriously enforce it. Can you explain why the criminals aren't running around shooting everyone there? Japan has one of the most violent histories of any nation by the way so don't say some racist shit like it's because of their culture or they are a gentle respectful people or some bullshit.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 27 May 2014 23:22



How can you function in society with the kind of paranoid delusions you obviously suffer from? There are mental health programs that you can access, people who can offer counseling and therapy. Please seek help. You don't have to go through life suffering from delusions and psychosis.

Everything you have said here is nonsense and lies. A rational person would recognize that immediately. The fact that you not only take it for truth but are actually confident enough in the truth of your position to post about it in public is very telling. I hope you have family and friends who you can rely on, tell them about your fantasy view of life and ask them to help you find help.

AND he probably owns a bunch of guns... But I guess asking someone like him to take a few tests and classes where his obvious psychosis can be caught before he acquires a bunch of guns is unconstitutional.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 27 May 2014 23:20



While I could stoop to your level (and that of Felix) I will instead suggest that you two mensa candidates have a little chat with some of the members here who reside in Australia. ( Because YES FELIX their gun laws ARE worse than the UK! As are those of Chicago, I live downstate but we KNOW what their laws are and want NO part of having them imposed on the remainder of the state THANK YOU!) I'll let THEM explain to you that when guns are turned in by law abiding citizens (who have FIRST been sold the bill of goods that "we only want to register them. " REALLY? For WHAT? Do they expect those guns to VOTE? OR, do they want to know where to go to gather them up? ) ONLY THE CRIMINALS THERE NOW HAVE GUNS! As a result everyone else is at the mercy of people WHO HAVE NONE! Just like the Vietnamese villagers who were helpless and could not protect themselves NOR could the government protect them! Speak to what you KNOW! I do! Oh wait, that wouldn't leave you much to say now would it?
"Protect our way of life"? SERIOUSLY? READ some history! Hitler, the Bolsheviks and Chairman Mao had one thing in common... the FIRST thing they did was disarm the populace! Pardon me, BUT; the last time I looked a "workers paradise" (like North Korea) wasn't "our way of life'! Totalitarian regimes exist because government has rendered the populace helpless to resist. This nation's founding fathers were well aware of that and trusted NO government...not even the one they were establishing! That is WHY the Bill of Rights was written in the first place! d'oh!

Oh and the "black hole" exists in the minds of those who EXPECT criminals TO obey laws! THINK with your HEAD, the emotions were never designed or intended for that purpose.

Oh you mean you need your guns so you can fight the government so it doesn't become fascist one day. My bad.

- As this thread gets more replies you all can see how paranoid and silly the gun nuts sound. Registering a gun like a car equals Nazi Germany to them and of course they think they can take down the government when it comes to that. They also will talk about the constitution like there have never been any amendments or like it wasn't written in the time of muskets and canons and when we had no actual police force. -

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 27 May 2014 22:52

If you get your information from Main Stream Media, you have no idea what really happened. First, there were multiple shooter. Witnesses all tell of at least two people shooting. He was on as many as 5 drugs with 2 of them being anti psycotics. Same drugs used by ALL mass murderers. He was also under the watchful eye of doctors with direct connections to CIA mind control experiments. Also notice within hours of the shooting a father is crying on camera about the NRA and more gun control! What? I'm sorry, did this mental patient hold a firearms permit? I think NOT. This is a classic FALSE FLAG. A Psyop to manipulate the masses. Remember Sandy Hook? Tons of dead kids, but no blood, no bodies, no death certificates, no survivors. Nurse was a Spanish singer/actor with no legal nursing certificates. Shooter actually never existed. Homes all bought in cash several years prior. Dead children seen in photo with president after the shooting! 26 xmas trees for the dead children see in air photos before the event. Donation pages set up days in advance. No local abulances allowed to respond. The entire event was a made for TV SHOW!!!!!!!!

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Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 27 May 2014 20:41

The MOST strict gun laws can be found WHERE? Chicago and Australia. The highest violent crime rates can be found WHERE? Chicago and Australia!

Chicago has stricter gun laws than Japan and the UK? Are you stupid...

Australia has one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.





Oh and Felix those "ridiculous" Constitutional protections were devised by guys with no trust in government (hmmm) and who were geniuses (Thomas Jefferson did WHAT? How many inventions AND all of those famous documents?) So, pardon those of us who would prefer to keep the Constitution and Bill of Rights INTACT rather than have them ripped apart by modern vote whores!

Where did I say constitutional protections were ridiculous?

Registering firearms once a year to make sure they are still in your possession or making people take a few tests and classes before owning one doesn't take your right to own a gun away you big fucking dummy.

- It's scary how some of the dumbest people who can't even comprehend what they are reading are the ones with guns. It's bizarre how this idiot weavindreams thinks that having a better more responsible system for gun ownership is ripping the constitution apart -