Forum posts made by magical_felix

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 01 Jun 2014 20:43

The first—and last—word on Elliot Rodger, as written eloquently by Ezra Klein:

This is the entire article below if you don't wish to follow the link.

Elliot Rodger is the most dangerous possible shooter for an age of media saturation. His chilling clips were on YouTube — and can be replayed across a thousand nightly news broadcasts. His posts litter forums, and more are sure to be discovered. His family is connected to celebrities. He was handsome in a way, and a student at a sexy, sun-drenched school on the California coast. His madness was a weaponized mixture of rich-kid entitlement, aching lonesomeness, and digital cries for help. He seems less like a person than like a character from an artsy slasher flick meant to comment on inequality, misogyny, gun violence, and online alienation. He will be irresistible to the media. And that makes him a threat even in death.

There's a reason the media rarely reports on suicides. Sociologists long ago discovered that suicide is contagious — and media coverage helps its spread. There are guidelines endorsed by the Centers for Disease Control, the World Health Organization, the National Institutes of Mental Health, the Office of the Surgeon General, and others warning against "inadvertently romanticizing suicide or idealizing those who take their own lives by portraying suicide as a heroic or romantic act." They also caution media outlets against credulously relaying the testimony of the deceased. "The cause of an individual suicide is invariably more complicated than a recent painful event such as the break-up of a relationship or the loss of a job," they write.

But the national media reports ceaselessly on mass murders. Cameras are often there to cover the actual shooting, and they don't leave until weeks or months after the final press conference. Magazines profile the killers, lingering on their fashion affectations or their love of death metal or their disturbed art or the maddening realization that they didn't seem like killers at all. These are all natural attempts to understand a tragedy. But the end up glorifying the murderer — and possibly creating copycats.

Sociologists believe that mass murder is contagious, too. "The tornado of media coverage that swirls around each such mass killing," wrote Zeynep Tufekci at The Atlantic, "and the acute interest in the identity and characteristics of the shooter -- as well as the detailed and sensationalist reporting of the killer's steps just before and during the shootings — may be creating a vicious cycle of copycat effects similar to those found in teen and other suicides." They also may be fulfilling the shooter's hopes and dreams.

"Isn't it fun to get the respect that we're going to deserve?" said Columbine shooter Eric Harris. He and his partner, Dylan Klebold, had hoped that Steven Spielberg and Quentin Tarantino would fight to tell their story. Instead, it was Gus Van Sant who fictionalized their lives on the silver screen.

In the New York Times, Adam Lankford, an assistant professor of criminal justice at the University of Alabama, summarized three motivations for suicidal mass murderers. The first is they are "struggling with mental health problems that have produced their desire to die." The second is "a deep sense of victimization and belief that the killer's life has been ruined by someone else, who has bullied, oppressed or persecuted him." The third "is the desire to acquire fame and glory through killing."

Every time a mass murderer wins fame and glory through killing it helps convince the next mass murderer that a shooting spree will give them the respect in death that they were never able to acquire in life.

Rodger's writings are a sick mixture of megalomania and self-pity. "I was desperate to have the life I know I deserve; a life of being wanted by attractive girls, a life of sex and love. Other men are able to have such a life," he wrote in his 141-page autobiography. "So why not me? I deserve it! I am magnificent, no matter how much the world treated me otherwise. I am destined for great things."

Unable to be the hero of his own story he decided to become the villain of everyone else’s. And, with the unwitting cooperation of 24/7 media, he will become a national villain. And other sick young men will see him get the renown in death that they have have never been able to receive in life.

This is an easy dilemma to point out. It is much harder to solve. Even the act of writing this article contributes to the problem. I've described Rodger's life, his grievances, his writings. I've quoted from his manifesto and compared him to past notorious mass murderers. I've made him that much more famous.

Tufekci offers some recommendations. "There should be no reporting of the killer's words, or actions before or during the shooting," she writes. The name of the killer should not be officially confirmed until the trial. And she warns against "stories about which guns exactly were used or how much robo-cop gear was utilized."

This amounts, of course, to a kind of call for censorship around a national event. There are some precedents. She points to the kidnapping of NBC's Richard Engel in Syria as an example. "The information about his capture, though obviously newsworthy, was held back in order to aid the negotiations and rescue efforts," she writes. But routinizing that kind of censorship is probably impossible, even if it was wise.

Another possibility, though, would be to say less about the killer and more about the victims. The women and men Rodger shot had lives, too. They had social media accounts, and friends, and they made art and wrote essays. Perhaps there's a way to honor the victims rather than glorifying their murderer. Perhaps it would give future mass murders pause to know that they would be making their enemies into national heroes rather than making themselves into national villains.

So this interesting article brings up something that was touched upon earlier in this thread but not really elaborated on by anyone. The media and the roll they play in this phenomenon of suicidal mass murderers.

Could the media be fueling copy cat mass murderers?

Is the infamy they will certainly gain in death be enough incentive to push someone over the edge?

Can reporting on the specific guns, tactics, body armor, motivations, failed plans and successful plans be giving other potential killers ideas?

If the media holds back from reporting on suicide, suicide rates, ways of suicides etc, is it also possible for them to hold back on reporting mass murder? The media proved it is actually capable of blacking out a story for the greater good like they did with the journalist who was kidnapped in Syria.

Is saying that these young men who kill masses of people are simply copy cats who may not have done this if it wasn't for the media making other killers infamous also a cop out?

Topic Can interracial include blondes with redheads?
Posted 01 Jun 2014 10:34

Yes because when you mix a blonde with a redhead you get a strawberry blonde proving they were different races from the start.

Science bitch.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 12:58


Felix "the Pied Piper"

//www.youtube.com/embed/YE6BMn18b1A

I'm through with love hangovers,
It's best that I stay sober.
No rolling in the clover,
No Gretna Green trip over.
No honeymoon in Paris,
I only feel embarrassed
For the cool cats,
The charmed kittens,
Both smitten by the love songs
That he's written.
Caught in the sights
Of a deadly sniper:
The magic piper of love.
The magic piper of love.
Of love, of love.

My girlfriend, she go blotto
Of cunnings and his grotto.
It turns out he's a dirty old man.
The nice place that I want to be,
Is sat up on this Christmas tree,
While playing these games of
Catch as catch can.
Cause he's a sweet talker,
A silent stalker.
All the savvy of a street walker.
More deadly than a horned viper:
The magic piper of love.
The magic piper of love.
Of love, of love.

He's a heart breaker,
A mover and a shaker:
The magic piper of love.

It's kind of hard to swallow,
You know you've gotta follow,
The magic piper of love.

Cause he's a city slicker,
An expert politic-er:
The magic piper of love.

Of love, of love.
Of love, of love.
Of love, of love..

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 12:04



Sorry Jack I truly wasn't sure which to quote. I am a wardog victim (now know as withering dreams) if he is referring to which threads to look at perhaps check mine and ginger86's posts. He surely believes I am responsible for leading him on, I am 36 he is 64 WTF. I was just nice but clearly once he realised nothing was reciprocated he became abusive

I gathered that from the rants I saw. No need to pull them up. They are not needed in this thread. That's unfortunate that happened and good thing you don't know him in real life.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 11:26



Go look at the quotes dear Felix chose to bring in here from MANY months ago on the subject of pics and vids... THAT was what I was talking about (and HE wells KNOWS IT!)

Yes but throughout this thread you have mentioned how women should be responsible for their own decisions. Decisions they made that resulted in them getting abused, raped, harassed, made to feel fearful etc. You have stated that if they had guns this wouldn't happen. You blame them for not making proper decisions like arming themselves or staying sober for them getting raped. You are basically telling them it's their fault for taking a knife to a gun fight. A gun fight that they didn't ask to be a part of.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 10:57


More word twisting... surprise.



Oh I see so NOW you're saying that WOMEN are NOT adults but children? And as such are NOT responsible for THEIR OWN DECISIONS? Hmm THAT IS an interesting mindset.


The fact that you interpreted my words that way is more telling of your mentality than mine. Getting raped is never someone's decision.


You ignored this part of my post. You want to clear up what you meant or are you standing by your statement that women should be responsible for their own decisions when they are abused, raped, harassed, made to feel fearful etc?

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 10:53



You're not really impressing anyone and nobody cares about your life's work.

Being ex-military (if it's even true and to what extant who knows) Isn't a get out of jail free card for being asshole. An ex- anything isn't a get out of jail free card for being asshole.

And oh wow he was a security guard... He walked around a strip mall ready to blow a whistle at kids on skate boards. Oh man.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 10:48



Go read the above post then try again. I don't CHOSE to live in a fantasy world

Oh, so you are touching on mental health now... You don't chose to be mentally ill. Well, I can accept that.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 10:43



Oh I see so NOW you're saying that WOMEN are NOT adults but children? And as such are NOT responsible for THEIR OWN DECISIONS? Hmm THAT IS an interesting mindset.


The fact that you interpreted my words that way is more telling of your mentality than mind. Getting raped is never someone's decision.


(I was MOST diligent in performing my duties, unlike several others who were too busy FLIRTING to DO THE JOB AT HAND!) WHY do YOU remind me of THOSE guys?


Because you were probably jealous of the guys that knew how to flirt with women properly and you focused on them and the women that ignored you and left you holding your cock.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 10:31



these quotes wherein I state that people often find themselves paying the price of their own stupidity (as if that is somehow derogatory)

I decided not to pull up those quotes of you ranting and harrassing specific women because it wouldn't be fair to them to bring it up again and I hope they haven't read this thread so it doesn't remind them of the stress you caused them. (if they did I apologize to them - not you - but to them yes.)

"Paying the price for their own stupidity" - weavindreams.

You are saying it is the victim's fault. The quotes I posted by you can not be misinterpreted or twisted or skewed in any way. They are your direct words blaming the victim for allowing someone to take advantage of them. You say that if she didn't want her pornographic pictures up on the internet she shouldn't have trusted her boyfriend to take them. You don't say that it was wrong that her boyfriend posted them. You don't say that it's wrong many men can't be trusted to not victimize a women. You say it's wrong that a woman trusted a man and allowed herself to be victimize.

Here, I'll post them again so you reread your own words. I am not twisting any of them.

This is what you said about men posting pornographic videos of women on the internet without them knowing.

Folks, ANY consenting adult SHOULD reasonably know better than to LEAVE photos or video of them doing ANYTHING they wouldn't want the world to see in the hands of a "former" lover. Sorry, but I have neither sympathy nor pity for the terminally stupid.

Pardon me if I'm not all weepy eyed because someone got stupid and left something behind they should REASONABLY have known NOT TOO!

The ONLY thing they were victims OF was their own stupidity. So, lock up the person they idiotically left with photos or videos they SHOULD have known better than to leave behind and then pissed off that person off by screwing around on them or screwing them over in some way.

The third quote by you that I bolded is especially telling of your mentality.

I hope no woman is ever left at your mercy in the real world.



Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 10:05

Just a random thought... (not directed at anyone specifically).

Imagine there was an endless rash (and new trend) of spree-killings that had been going on for the last two decades of strong females with guns and ammo, doing cross-country Thelma and Louise style killings of guys coming out of bars or hanging out at their frat houses or just studying on their college campuses. Maybe they're even beating them to within an inch of their lives (think Zoe Saldana types in Columbiana) and then you see their youtube vids and the girls are saying "yeah, this is what men get for fucking with us, raping us, hitting us, cheating on us, and treating us like sex toys with zero respect." and others saying "Yeah, damnit, my boyfriend dicked me around and now my child-bearing years are gone, so I'm gonna take down every smarmy alpha male or hot guy that I see!" Let's say this is what's constantly in the news.

And then you see all this inexplicable social media support from other girls saying how these women are heroes, and they're laughing about the violence, saying they wish they could do the exact same thing and that these men got what was coming to them - not for anything they did - but just for being part of the wrong gender.

And someone makes a thread on Lush about how awful this violence is and what women need to do to take down this sense of revenge, resentment and animosity towards men. That violence begets violence and it doesn't make it right or acceptable. But almost nobody actually says this.

People talk about guns instead - and how guys need to figure out how to protect themselves and sure, violence against men is bad, but that's just the way it is now - nothing we can really do to change that - so guys need to suck it up and get more ammo if they want to stay alive. Or better yet stop drinking, doing drugs, having wild sex-lives or being commitment phobes, cause you never know if the next girl you piss off is going to put a bullet in your head.

And then you see females posting things like "well... the fact that those guys coming out of the bar were drunk when they were gunned down... it's kind of like they were partly at fault for putting themselves in that situation in the first place," and "hey, the fact that men watch UFC, play video games and watch action movies - it kind of sends the wrong message to young impressionable women that they enjoy and accept violence, so really - it's like they're contributing to their own murder rate." *shrugs* "You guys need to make some real changes, cause this is the new normal, baby!"

It sounds insensitive and wrong to focus on the victims, doesn't it?

That's why women are disturbed by the sentiments in the media, youtube channels, twitter commentary, and thread posts when the Elliot Rodgers of the world happen. Because in this world, we tend to be natural conformists - we tend to be influenced by our peers, social media and our culture. The whole basis and theory of advertising and marketing is hinged on this ingrained trait! Do what you can do to stop promoting a culture of gender-violence and it can start in little ways - within your own social circles, your peer groups, your social media, the incidences of violence and intimidation you see everyday on the streets, at schools, in locker-rooms and in bars. The list I posted earlier hits on just a few ways 'guys' can make a difference - it's about what you project yourself and what you refuse to stand for. I would do the same if trends of gender-violence was reversed.

I suspect with the majority of lawmakers, politicians, owners of media outlets all being men that serious actions would be taken to put a spotlight on the behavior every single day and laws passed swiftly to attempt to prevent it.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 09:49



On second thought, as your own actions here (the INCESSANT) liable, slander and defamation only serve to put a spotlight upon your hypocrisy (for unprovable, liabelous, slanderous and defamatory statements that ARE the very definition of the "slut shaming" you have chosen to decry so loudly and at such length here) you have proven my previous point YOURSELF!
(Oh and let me see if I understand your reasoning, an individual who later admitted to using NUMEROUS bogus profiles, each one of which is in and of itself nothing more than a COLLECTION of lies, whined because the truth was told? Gee, what a shame. The second, LOUDLY denied an assertion that SHE LATER admitted too. So, pardon me IF I don't give a damn that they complained about THE TRUTH being told! NO derogatory (Whores) remarks WERE made by ME in the course of those arguments, THANK YOU!)
Lastly, you attempt to damage my reputation with LIES that when you are called upon to PROVE them; and CAN'T. You THEN, concoct a rationalization, justification or another lame ass, piss poor, old fashioned ESCUSE to cover it! Yet, I'm NOT supposed to be JUST as incensed by it as any OTHER individual would have EVERY RIGHT TO BE? Oh and btw yes, it IS a good thing (for YOU!) this is "on the internet" otherwise I might be tempted to ...SUE YOU!

The fact that you are comparing slut shaming to my responses to you indicate you have no idea what the term means and if you do you are perverting it and grossly insulting women that have been the victim of it time and time again. You're a disgusting person.




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This is what you said about men posting pornographic videos of women on the internet without them knowing.

Folks, ANY consenting adult SHOULD reasonably know better than to LEAVE photos or video of them doing ANYTHING they wouldn't want the world to see in the hands of a "former" lover. Sorry, but I have neither sympathy nor pity for the terminally stupid.

Pardon me if I'm not all weepy eyed because someone got stupid and left something behind they should REASONABLY have known NOT TOO!

The ONLY thing they were victims OF was their own stupidity. So, lock up the person they idiotically left with photos or videos they SHOULD have known better than to leave behind and then pissed off that person off by screwing around on them or screwing them over in some way.



Are you still going to claim that you're not a slut-shamer, victim-blamer and a misogynist?

I have more examples if that isn't enough for you.

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it IS a good thing (for YOU!) this is "on the internet" otherwise I might be tempted to ...SUE YOU!

I can just imagine that lawyer... Or would you be representing yourself? laughing8

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 08:25



Because I'm NOT the one who keeps reffering to them and twisting their content. I seldom "run to Mommy" but you have grown to be MUCH MORE than tiresome.

I remember the women you were directing your rants at were begging you to leave them alone. Good thing it was just on the internet because who knows what you would have done in person.

Go run to mommy like a little boy.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 08:20



I've tolerated ALL of this crap I'm going to from you. Insults are one thing defamation another. If it happens one more time I'm gong to ask the mods to explain the difference to you. (Who's "SLUT SHAMING" NOW?) By the way, LIAR go find those "long disturbing rants" and show me the word WHORE in ANY of what I said!!

They are buried somewhere in the forum. Why don't you go find them.

And oooooo you're gonna tell on me. laughing8

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 30 May 2014 08:03

the Felixes of this world, who then have no hesitation about resorting to labeling and then heaping liable, slander and defamation upon anyone who would dare to state the simple truths of the matter.

I must have really hit the mark about you when I reminded you that you were the guy that was stalking and harassing various women on here. Posting long disturbing rants calling them whores and liars and game players. The type of person you are later became apparent when you said women were to blame for sending men the wrong message when they defend people like tiger woods and use drugs and alcohol.

As for all the facts and truths you claim to have posted... I saw none. Just you crying about the government and liberals taking all your guns when I nor anyone else in this thread has said that. Proper gun regulation does not equal no guns. You rant about trying to teach calculus to a mule but I'm not sure that would be much harder than teaching you reading comprehension.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 18:38



That comment is proof you never watched video.
To know the farm is to leave it..................

You must be a detective or something.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 18:31



Yes. The number of YouTube views means it's like, totes legit. AmIright?



Adam sandler movies get millions of views. Fact! Educate yourself and be free.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 18:23


You responded without ever doing any research or study. Within minutes you had to write a response. Watch video then lets have a real discussion. But Nooooope.
HERE! http://disasterresponseteamofamerica.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/the-truth-about-violence-the-facts-will-shock-you/
Almost 1 hour of facts by one of the most viewed speakers on the internet. Facts really screw up a narrative based on emotion. But facts they are none the less.......

For those who are slower this is for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zpOMYRi0w 59 million views!!! That is retarded..........

There go another couple of IQ points. I really must be a masochist. I wonder if my second favorite nudist's posts can be moved to the BDSM forum.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 17:59


Thanks for the retarded response. like a retard in the playground. You have no idea what you are talking about. Silly responses don't equate to fact. Try reading my responses that come with hours of factual education. Please for your own sake... learn to be FREE !!!!!!!!!

HERE! http://disasterresponseteamofamerica.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/the-truth-about-violence-the-facts-will-shock-you/

I'm quite angry I even started this thread for the sole fact that after reading all your responses I feel I am a little bit dumber as a result. We all are. The sheer stupidity radiating from every word you type has lowerd the IQ of all of us. We are all now dumber for having witnessed your thoughts. (I say thoughts for lack of a more appropriate term)

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 17:51



Citation please. Still haven't seen that link, Rob.

You're asking a retarded person to explain why they shit their pants.

Just saying.

EDIT: I posted this before I saw rob here talk about crapping his pants because I was reading the thread and saw you ask him again. I think I just blew my own mind.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 13:32


You have part quoted out of context, and you know it!
As far as being off base, you should take a look at the link Magical Felix posted! That is one sick country!
Men turning a discussion about rape into one of men's rights and false accusations. Their view that implies that if 99 rapists walk free that's fine as long as the 1 wrongly accused is free.
I cant comprehend that mentality.

You're not getting it. Look at how many of the reported cases even made it to trial and how little times of those cases the rapist was actually incarcerated. women have to go through an ordeal almost as traumatizing as the rape itself to have just a small chance of getting "justice". Not to mention all the people in their lives that will know it happened to them and how many will unjustly judge her and put blame on her for the rest of her life.

You just don't get it and you should just be quiet now.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 13:21



Felix....Felix...Felix...You are beating a dead horse...leave it alone...step away. Let him writhe in his convoluted misery.

I know... I usually don't stop until the horse is dogfood or glue but I will this time.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 12:30



No it isn't... yet one more lie you've told. What I said you tore apart and put back together to suit yourself and then posted your garbage assumption with regard to what that "makes me". And that has ZILCH to do with the OP. So, anytime you want to get back on point feel free to leave your garbage assessments of who and what I am out of it as THOSE are NOT the OP! Have a nice day...slandering the next person you disagree with.

I made the original post. I know what the thread is about. You were being a slut shamer. You were being an actual example of one of the things this thread is about.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 12:02

And people wonder why more often than not women don't report a rape.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c5904ef556bb2b31c0af21c832b359f0/tumblr_mgaiutjrnw1qjosnpo1_500.jpg

Statistics from Justice Department, National Crime Victimization Survey: 2006-2010 and FBI reports.

NOTE (1/7/13): For more detail on statistics used, please click here .

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 11:42



Economic issues are not related to crime rates? Okay. I'm out.

That's not what I said.

Explain how the economies of the United States and Australia are so different to the point that it is warping the stats on murder in australia after they put real gun regulation in place. We aren't comparing Nigeria to the UK here.

Explain how they are so vastly different, please.

Oh that's right you can't.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 11:25



Demographically, who is the USA closer to? Australia or Canada? Who do we share similar histories with? Who do we more closely share similar economic issues with?

History and economic issues don't have anything to do with the statistics of Australia regarding their actions they took after mass murders were reaching epidemic levels.

You are insisting on picking and choosing data (which you have no sources for by the way. I can provide real sources for all of mine).

You are also acting childish now. It's embarrassing.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 11:09



Here's a thought, how about I don't CARE what gender you happen to be wrong is wrong? Now, if you're about through commenting on ME in an effort to once again use ASSUMPTIONS in an effort to discredit my commentary, can we maybe get back to the OP?

It's not an assumption. It is what you said and it has everything to do with the topic.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 11:05



If a nice, polite, law-abiding country like Canada only achieved 15% compliance, I'd call it an unworkable law.

How was a less polite society like Australia able to account for every gun in their citizens hands? By your rationale then we should do it since that country was able too.

Firearm controls have been in place following the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. Gun ownership in Australia is not a wide social issue, and major political parties are generally supportive of pro-control legislation

The rate of homicides involving firearms per 100,000 population in 2009 was 0.1. The rate of unintentional deaths involving firearms in 2001 was 0.09. The overall homicide rate of Australia was 1.2 deaths per 100,000 for 2007-2008.

In 1996 Australia restricted semi-automatic weapons and "The American Journal of Law and Economics reported in 2010 that firearm homicides in Australia dropped 59 percent between 1995 and 2006. In the 18 years before the 1996 laws, there were 13 gun massacres resulting in 102 deaths, according to Harvard researchers, with none in that category since.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 10:40



Millions of people can't even afford to register a car, much less a gun.

We're talking about real world problems that will need real works solutions. Passing a law, knowing ahead of time that is an unworkable law, is insane. It's living in a fantasy world. If we're going to live in a fantasy world, just have Magic Jack make a magic wand out of a unicorn horn, and wish all the nasty evil guns away. evil4

I never said take all the guns away. Making a responsible system for gun ownership doesn't mean take all the guns away. It's not an all or nothing issue like you are trying to make it.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes.



How many people buy a firearm, and train with it regularly? You don't, but many do. How many people have a smaller gun for concealed carry and a larger one for home defense? You don't, but many do. How many houses have both spouses that own guns, and adult children that own guns? Evidently yours doesn't, but many do. How many spurious accusations have you made (and will continue to make) in your life? I don't even think you could read a number that long with the Hubble telescope.

You avoided a simple question once again to attack me on things you couldn't possible know.

We get it, you jerk off with guns and you believe that more guns equal less killings.

Do you have anything else to say because this thread isn't just about your slippery slope paranoia that the government and american citizens are out to take your guns away.

Topic Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 others. Is it rape culture, guns or something else?
Posted 29 May 2014 10:32

What I find most fucked up in this thread is that there are so many sentiments about what women are doing wrong and what they need to change.

We need to:

- not drink or do drugs or 'glorify' these things because it sends the wrong message to guys
- we need to not condone pro-athletes like Tiger Woods cheating on his wife
- we're making the situation worse by not reporting all rapes, despite the aftermath, being a social outcast, and lack of criminal outcome
- we are apparently making false rape accusations nearly 50% of the time according to tinfoil-FBI websites
- we need to buy more guns and ammo because that's supposedly the answer - regardless of the fact that a drive-by shooting while you're standing outside a sorority house is still going to kill you, regardless of whether you're packing

What about what guys can do to better the cause?

* What about not making 'rape' jokes - how many times in the past year have I heard jokes made about the 'rape van' and that girl's dress looks pretty 'rapey' and then having the guy say relax, he was just 'joking around'.

* What about not standing by and condoning locker-room talk that degrades women beyond the pale and promotes a culture of misogyny?

* What about not supporting your buddy when he intimidates women at the bar or grabs/gropes them and not blame it on him just being drunk - or looking the other way when your friend mistreats his girlfriend or wife?

* What about not blaming women when they don't want to date you or have sex with you despite you being a 'really nice guy' and sticking it out in the friend zone? And not taking the approach that if you're persistent enough, eventually she'll come around.

* What about not calling a woman a 'stuck up bitch' when she tells you she's not interested or doesn't respond to your leers and cat-calls on the street?

* Or not judging a woman based on what she's wearing, whether she has breast implants or whether she works in a strip club to make money and not assuming these things means she's open to being a sex-object 24/7 or that you can treat her differently than you would treat the girl next door.

* Or not silently blaming the female when you hear stories of women who stayed with abusive men or girls that went to a party and got wasted and ended up being half-consciously pushed into sex with one or more guys. And if you are actually there - step in and do something instead of being a bystander because it doesn't involve you! And don't whip out your camera to take pics or laugh about the 'slutty drunk girl' the next day with your friends or on Twitter and then have your friends back and defend them and put the blame on the girl for 'making trouble' when she tells people or wants to report it. She was there - drunk or willingly taking drugs - it's her fault if she inadvertently ended up turning all those guys on, right?

* Or how about not ignoring the girl that's being harassed on the subway or the street and clearly needs help because you don't want to get involved and it's not your problem.

* Or maybe not shrugging it off when your friend tells you he dropped some GHB in the drink of the girl he's been dating lately to 'loosen her up'.

* What about not doing a damn thing when you know your friend date-raped a girl and insisting on having his back or ignoring the facts that you are 100% aware of as fact.

* What about not being content to take the stance of "well, rape and assault happen - go get a gun and learn how to use it."

I have seen stuff like this happen around me - every single example I've given comes from personal experience, either involving myself or close friends of mine - and there were plenty of 'good guys' who wouldn't dream of committing any kind of violence against women themselves who just let it happen, made excuses, or listened to the stories from their buddies and laughed or said nothing, or looked the other way because as long as they weren't 'the bad guy' it doesn't matter. And this bystander-effect involved men of all ages, economic backgrounds and status - all the way up to high level CEOs of massive international corporations. And they all did nothing or they covered for their 'buddies' and blamed the girl.

I think there is plenty that 'good guys' can do to help the cause... and it doesn't involve buying more guns.


Just quoting this so it doesn't get lost so fast in this thread because some people think this thread is only about fear that their guns will be taken.

These are the core problems with rape culture. The bystander effect, men getting dumber in groups to impress each other, slut shaming, sexual intimidation and making light of women's fears. This is the first time in the thread that specific things have been mentioned that men can do to curve this problem in our society. Eventually after a few generations if older wiser men teach their sons, younger friends and peers some good values and lead by example these practices can be minimized to the point of extinction.