Forum posts made by principessa

Topic Harvey Weinstein
Posted 21 Nov 2017 15:48

I guess we need to add Rep. John Conyers to our growing list. Given the $17m reportedly paid out by a formerly secret hush fund to buy the silence of perhaps as many as 274 potential victims we need to prepare for our list to get a lot longer.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.ip3GXAgrA#.xiZ52YAnY

Not sure if this is possible, but it certainly feels wrong that taxpayer money is being used to pay settlements to complainants. Legislation regarding harassment and misconduct in the government workplace should bar taxpayer money being used this way. The abusers should have to pay from their own assets, at least as the primary party being sued. If this means that there will be a new kind of insurance taken by Senators and Congress members to protect themselves from this liability, so be it. Maybe that would scare some of them into behaving.

Topic Harvey Weinstein
Posted 21 Nov 2017 09:11





Even the New York Times (among others) are coming to the realization that Bill Clinton was a predatory monster

I Believe Juanita



Just one small quibble. You link us to an op-ed column, an opinion piece rather than a researched and documented story. So, I would not say that the NYT has supported this allegation with their reporting, only that the author of the column believes it is true.

Topic Another hypocrite scumbag politician
Posted 18 Nov 2017 09:07


So when they're important enough and their audience is big enough it no longer matters why they do what they do, it simply becomes hypocritical?
Sure, his actions conflict with what he preached, but if we define a hypocrite as someone who says they have particular moral beliefs that in fact are not sincere, can we be certain that they aren't? Could it be that he really, honestly believes in those conservative Christian values, but simply was not strong enough to withstand the temptation of the flesh? That he really was defending his moral beliefs, in spite of his own weakness? I am sure he'd not be a unique case, especially not in conservative religious circles.

There's no doubt that his actions aren't consistent with his moral stance (with which I absolutely disagree btw) but I'm not so sure that his moral stance isn't genuine, in spite of his behaviour. Either way, it remains sad that people stil have to face the battle between what their feelings tell them and what their beliefs dictate.



Do as I say and not as I do is the definition of hypocrisy. What makes this stand out even more is the example of someone railing with religious sanctimony against homosexuality while leading a closeted life. Having moral beliefs that you impose on others and not on yourself is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 16 Nov 2017 18:24

principessa I'm glad you take some delight in the GOP mess but....wait for it......Look a Demo. caught groping a women nooooooooo looks like Republicans are not the only scum bags on capitol hill. Better add Al Franken to the list of scum bags!!

I know that there are men like that on both sides of the aisle and have said so.

While I am not excusing what Al Franken did in any way, at least he has owned up to it and apologized. He has even suggested that there be an Ethics Committee investigation into what he did. Moore has admitted nothing despite mounting evidence from various women and reports that the police were aware of him accosting young women in a local mall. He has even alleged that the 40-year-old yearbook with his signature is a fabrication. Moore has wrapped himself in religious sanctimony and it seems he will fight this to the end.

The list seems to get longer and longer as more women find the courage to come forward with their stories. It takes strength to expose yourself to the publicity that this brings and all of the attention on social media. I understand that some of the victims have received death threats. One of the reasons that I find these stories believable is that if you speak to women most will have a story if not several of them of an experience like this. It happened to me. It happened to you. It happens to all of us. It has to stop.

Topic Harvey Weinstein
Posted 16 Nov 2017 13:58



Topics often meander and shift to many related aspects of the original topic. Within this particular one, it is right-wrong but as often happens, but there is also a level of surprise and shock as to who is actually committing these offenses. My point is that there is evil in all walks of life. Furthermore, Al Franken IS a politician, a vocal Democrat/liberal politician. I can guarantee that if it were a conservative politician (see Moore, Roy) his political affiliation would definitely be a point of conversation. As well it should be. I abhor when people point out the evil doings of one person while ignoring or absolving another for the same thing, all dependent on whether they have an "R" or "D" behind their name.

Secondly, I am not a fan of censorship in any form or fashion. People can speak on whatever they wish. By the way, I'm the person that began this thread so if anyone can say what this thread is or isn't about, it's me. I would greatly appreciate you not telling me what I can talk about on the very thread I created.

So, you won't have to repeat it again, refrain from telling people what they may contribute to this particular topic. Unless they break site rules, your censorship is unwanted and unneeded and contrary to the wishes of the thread originator. Me.

I was not censoring you. You are free to express your opinion within the site's rules, as am I. My view is that labelling the perpetrators politically serves no purpose. I also abhor when people point out malfeasance or ignore it depending on the D or R label. Countering perpetrators of one party with perpetrators of the other as if somehow keeping score does not address the root problem. They are all shameful excuses for human beings.

Topic Harvey Weinstein
Posted 16 Nov 2017 13:30



It's interesting that the NY Post throws in her former title of Playboy Playmate in their very first sentence about Leeann Tweeden. Not.. woman, journalist, whatever.. but Playmate, as if that somehow softens the offense by Franken. That's the kind of soft sexism that doesn't help the situation.

For many years now, the left has taken the moral high ground on "identity politics". They've tried (mostly successfully) to convince the nation that they are the "good guys". They've based almost their entire platform on identity instead of policy. Now that is beginning to crumble and it's evident that there are just as many hypocrites and evil does on the left as on the right. It's just like the old timey mainstream religious leaders of the past. Always preaching fire and brimstone about sin and sinners, then committing the same very sins once they're away from the pulpit.

"Sinner" once had to stand before the congregation and publicly admit their sins in order to be chastized, punished and eventually forgiven.

Now sinners have to do the same on social media while the morally superior high and might leftist (which isn't necessarily the same as liberals) virtually flog them for their transgressions.


edit.... there are some reports that the photographer of the Franken/Tweeden picture where he says that picture was staged. They were goofing off and she was supposed to be playing dead and he was reviving her via CPR/chest compressions. The photog's claim is she wasn't assaulted as she knew and agreed to what they were doing. If/how that changes things (if true) I don't know.

I have said this earlier in this thread and will repeat it now. The issue is not a left-right one, but rather a right-wrong one. This is about men using their power and entitlement to harass, abuse and assault women. There are plenty of examples at both ends of the political spectrum and in between.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 16 Nov 2017 10:32



Edit: I know others on both sides of the isle got away with sexual abuse in the past. We can blame eachother for that until we drop dead, but that's not going to change a thing. Past errors do not justify new ones. Whatever did or didn't happen to all those predators who were named in this thread does not change what Moore did and it should not stop anyone from doing it right this time.

This. Thank you.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 16 Nov 2017 09:22

The really sad thing is that sexual predator stories are going to become an every week thing to the point of making people numb just like mass shooting stores. It's not shocking, surprising or unexpected anymore. Just another day.



There have been decades of such abuse of girls and women of all ages in the workplace, schools, universities, sports and every other environment. Men have felt entitled to behave this way and women, until recent years, were obliged to put up with it. Complaints were not received and dealt with fairly if they were dealt with at all. More often than not, it was the woman who had to put up with this or leave because power was in the hands of men. It is of course much, much worse when a man takes advantage of teenagers. The only good thing to come of all of these abuse and assault stories is that we are now talking about it and how to stop it. Corporations, universities and other organizations will have to address the issue and make sure that they have policies and procedures to deal with complaints fairly. And men who have not evolved beyond the 1950s with regard to women will have to learn that this is unacceptable and suffer the consequences of their actions be it loss of position, reputation, awards of damages, or, if the allegations proved are serious enough, criminal charges.

What always makes me wonder is that men have mothers, sisters, wives, daughters and other female relatives and friends. Would they want another man to treat them this way? Of course not. I hope that we don't become jaded to this but fear you may be right.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 14:30

Just saw a press conference in which his lawyer says that he heard the divorce of one of his accusers. He suggested that Moore's signature was copied from her divorce decree onto the yearbook that she had presented as evidence against him. They are demanding the yearbook for handwriting analysis which I understand is not reliable with the certitude of DNA. You could expert shop until you found an analyst who said it wasn't him. Of course none of this is passing a credibility test as it would in court. It is political theater with Moore doubling down on his denials and attempt to give voters enough doubt to vote for him.

There is a word for this that is probably not known in Alabama: chutzpah. It means unmitigated gall or shameless audacity.

Topic The Rage Cage
Posted 15 Nov 2017 12:29

I have to learn not to engage when no good will come of it. I have nothing to prove.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 08:35



Here are two images of your former Senator. Take a basic Civics 101 course…



The Canadian Senate is nothing like the US one and senators are not well known. It is a political appointment. Before wagging your finger at me, check your facts.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 08:32



Again, Ailes and O'Reilly lost their jobs, as did most if not all of the other names you mentioned. What have Clinton, Polanski, or Allen lost? Clinton is still pulling 6 figure speaking fees. Polanski is still the supposedly mistreated darling of Hollywood.



And yet Donald Trump and Clarence Thomas are still in their jobs, important jobs, President and Supreme Court Justice.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 08:17



I'm sure you would have been more submissive with Don Meredith groping your pussy.
Did you start a forum blog about him?

The dead football player?

I am not going to take time to engage with someone so vacuous. It is not a fair fight and takes the thread off the rails. If you have nothing to add to the discussion except making personal remarks about me, please stop posting.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 08:07



Actually, I read your post three times before I posted what I posted. Just because I understand what you were trying to say (after reading your response to my post), doesn't mean I agree. The word delight in that sentence, still rubs me the wrong way. That is most likely due to the fact that I don't care if he's a Dem or Rep. That type of behavior has been looked over for far too long. I don't see this as a political issue, I see this a human issue.

I agree with you that it is not a partisan issue but a human one. I also understand that delight may have been a poor word choice given the subject of the thread. I regret using it. You are right.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 07:50



After reading some of your writing I doubt Trump will be coming to Canada to grab your pussy….



Probably right. Beautiful and smart is not his type. You are probably more his type. Unalloyed admiration for him. (Look it up.)

The fact that personally insulting me is the only argument you have to make on the subject of this thread tells us everything you need to know about you. And although you may dream of his grabbing your pussy, that is not on my bucket list. So, nothing lost.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 07:46



It's quite easy to misunderstand the meaning of someone's post when using text, isn't it?



I don't write in textspeak so I don't understand what you mean by using text. I use plain words. If you are referring to someone reading my post quickly and misunderstanding it, that was quickly resolved.

Or are you just trying to show once again that you are misunderstood.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 07:02

Trump was right again.

About what? That he could in his words "grab women's pussies" and get away with it? I guess so. You elected him.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 15 Nov 2017 06:57



Look at the contrasts though. The Right tends to squirm uncomfortably over the predators in their midst while the Left tends to embrace theirs.
He is
I know you're going to point out the current situation with Harvey Weinstein et al. We'll have to wait and see if this is a real change in Hollywood or a temporary phase driven by embarrassment. Meanwhile Roman Polanski, Woody Allen, Bill Clinton and others are still the darlings of the Left.

Your willful blindness is becoming laughable considering that the GOP nominated and elected a man who bragged about sexually assaulting women. Added to that there is a long list of GOP politicians and others who have not behaved like choir boys. Newt Gingrich was cheating on wife number two with wife number three while pursuing Bill Clinton for his adultery. (Note that while Clinton's behaviour was not exemplary, his cheating was consensual.) Gingrich asked for a divorce to marry number three while number two was in hospital undergoing cancer treatment. Nice. There was GOP Governor Mark Sanford who disappeared and admitted when he resurfaced that he had been in Buenos Aires with his mistress.

You have Clarence Thomas sitting on the Supreme Court of the United States after allegations of sexual harassment by Anita Hill, allegations that were stonewalled by a male dominated Senate panel at the time of his nomination, but are looked at very differently now. He is a stellar example of a harasser getting away with it.

More recently there are Rogers Ailes and Bill O'Reilly who were sexual predators at Fox for decades. There was Mark Foley, who resigned his House seat after he sent sexually explicit e-mails to teenage male congressional pages. Or Sen. Bob Packwood, who left office not because 29 women came forward with claims of sexual harassment, but because his own subpoenaed diaries revealed him boasting about his conquests. Last year, top Republicans even defended Dennis Hastert—the former GOP House speaker who pleaded guilty to paying off boys he molested while serving as a high school teacher and wrestling coach—in letters to the court, commending his “great integrity.” There are many other examples, but I won't take the time to refresh my memory and find them all.

So Seax, don't be a hypocrite. I will not defend such behaviour no matter who does it. And again, saying but look at Clinton (Bill this time) and the Dems is not an argument. But you try to deflect every negative report about the right with what you think is one about the left, preferably about one of the Clintons. And the GOP does not have a record of squirming over their predators while the left embraces theirs. That is nonsense, but you live in a world where you will only take in opinions and ideas that confirm your own. No wonder you blocked Damon X. He argues forcefully against the GOP catechism that you parrot from Fox and other GOP propaganda sites.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 14 Nov 2017 19:27



Delight? These women were violated as young girls, I don't find anything delightful about that. I find it heartbreaking. I don't care what side of the party line someone stands on, scum is scum. Moore being a part of the GOP has nothing to do with him being a sick scumbag.

Moore should step down, but he won't. He should lose his seat, but he probably won't. He should be locked in a cell, but that's probably asking for too much as well.





Of course there is nothing delightful about him or what he did. As someone who was subjected to something like that at a young age I know how horrible it is, so don't misinterpret my words or take that one out of its context. In no way did I nor do I celebrate such a person.

Seeing the GOP squirming to find a way out of this is entertaining given their support of religious sanctimony and now having to deal with the blatant criminality of this man. The GOP allowed him to run for their senate nomination in a primary knowing his previous history as a judge. His behaviour with young women was an open secret in Alabama. So, it does have something to do with the GOP that he may well become a US Senator.

You are probably right. Alabamans will likely elect him and the GOP will be stuck with him.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 14 Nov 2017 18:24

Well, Damon, it is not surprising. It is Alabama after all, with a storied Jim Crow history of segregation, the KKK, voter suppression, and so much more. Also the home of Jeff Sessions.

Sorry about repeating the thread. I didn't remember and wondered about what solutions people would offer.

Topic How strongly should Western type governments push others to emulate their beliefs?
Posted 14 Nov 2017 15:00

Change that is made in response to external pressures is usually superficial, and lasts only so long as those pressures are applied, while at the same time producing resistance and resentment. Real change is internally motivated. It comes from the beliefs and attitudes and values of the people themselves. The West can still have a role in influencing these changes, but they have to let go of war and heavy handed diplomacy as their MO. The effect of these approaches sends mixed messages. When an American plane flies overhead in Afghanistan, the people are uncertain whether it will drop bombs, aid packages, or just fly by. You can't win the 'hearts and minds' of people like this.

Instead, I think our greatest weapon is media. We should not underestimate the power of literature, film, art, and even social media (as Russia very effectively demonstrated during the previous US election) in shaping the beliefs and attitudes of people, and in shifting thoughts, leading to action. In the 'information age,' well-crafted propaganda is probably our best tool for producing change. The key words however, are 'well-crafted.' In order to be effective, it's important that we understand the paradigms of the people we're trying to reach, and work within that paradigm to influence them. Russia understood the political divide in America and exploited it - what they didn't do is tell us to adopt Russian values because they're awesome. Their influence has been more subtle, and therefore more effective.

As for whether the West should should push its beliefs, I think one of the major issues is that our beliefs are not perfect. When other governments look at the West, they see our social problems and internal conflicts, and many of them say 'no thanks.' If we want other governments to emulate us, we need to give them an example worth emulating.

This.

The US should not be touting its form of democracy as if they are handing down the Ten Commandments. The US also has a record of supporting dictators for geopolitical reasons and being an enemy of democracy as it played out in a way they didn't like. An example, among many, is undermining the duly elected Allende in Chile because he was too socialist for US taste and tacitly supporting Pinochet who is widely regarded as guility of numerous murders and human rights violations. I knew someone who almost became one of the many disappeared in Chile, but because his father had been an admiral he was given a few hours to leave the country forever and escape with his life.

Topic What should be done about Roy Moore?
Posted 14 Nov 2017 14:15

I am interested in what you think about Moore's candidacy. Five women have now come forward after the initial reporting by the Washington Post regarding his assaulting them as teen-aged girls. He was in his 30s at the time and a the district attorney. Moore has denied the allegations and dug his heels in blaming fake news and conspiracy theories for what has been alleged. As I understand it this started with dogged reporting by the Post investigating long circulated rumours about him, not any of the women coming forward first.

As someone who would be a Democrat were I an American, I admit that I take some delight in the GOP having this mess to solve. Should the Alabama GOP take away his candidacy if they can? Should they encourage a write-in candidate if they cannot? Should the Senate seat him if he indeed is elected? I have even heard it suggested that Jeff Sessions should quit as AG given all of the trouble he is in and attempt to regain his Senate seat with as a write-in candidate.

What do you all think?

Topic RUMPLATIONS: Honky Tonk and Cyber Bar
Posted 14 Nov 2017 13:08



Damn, there's one I haven't heard in a while. A 7 and 7 over here, too.

My late uncle worked for Seagram's (the original distillery in Waterloo, which is now housing a Google data centre, IIRC, having been shut down as a distillery years ago) so their product figured heavily in his drinking habits (I was too young to imbibe at that time, he died around the time I finished high school). I used to use Crown Royal bags to carry dice and figures for my D&D playing.

In our family the soft purple Crown Royal bags were used for scrabble tiles and other game pieces. You brought back a fond memory.

I guess I'll have some coffee. I am still at work so it is too early to drink. Thankfully I am having a much better day than yesterday. Hope you are all doing well.

Topic Aging Parents..
Posted 14 Nov 2017 12:52

I too have this experience. The role reversal is very difficult for both parent and child. You have to have a lot of patience and remember that your parents have given you love and care all of their lives.

Topic RUMPLATIONS: Honky Tonk and Cyber Bar
Posted 13 Nov 2017 18:52



I think I know why so many Canadians have moved to Atlanta. The sun and it's warm most of the year, actually dripping humid hot all summer to early fall. But lots of Canadians here, and I tend to meet them through business, business organizations, and civic clubs. I like Canadians but don't tell LYFBUZ. I ain't fooled by all that pacificity... just a smokescreen until Canadian world domination and Maple Leafs on everything. :)

:-"

Give me something Canadian to drink. Uh, Canadian Mist on ice.

We should have 7 and 7 and toast to world domination, Buz. That's Seagrams Seven Crown and 7-Up, an old fashioned drink.

Topic RUMPLATIONS: Honky Tonk and Cyber Bar
Posted 13 Nov 2017 18:29



My son goes through hell every winter. SAD, we suspect, though he's never been formally diagnosed. Gives us an excuse to spend part of the holiday (usually New Year's) someplace sunny and warm. This year it's Cancun.



Vitamin D is supposed to help and I take it every day. I agree with your son's strategy and try to get away to an island each winter. Canadians are a hardy lot but by February we really have had enough of winter's cold and short days. The only remedy is some warmth and sunshine. I think that most of us suffer to some extent from SAD.

Topic Word for the day
Posted 13 Nov 2017 14:50

agita (because of how my day went)

nouninformal
noun: agita
indigestion.
"I ain't a healthy guy! My stomach can't take this agita"
anxiety, stress, or aggravation.
"there will be times when he causes the Democratic leadership some agita"
Origin
1980s: from Italian agitare ‘agitate, shake.’

Topic RUMPLATIONS: Honky Tonk and Cyber Bar
Posted 13 Nov 2017 14:15

It has been a gloomy here and work has provided some difficult problems. Not a great day. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who copes better on a bright, sunny day. Oh well, best get used to it. Autumn and winter in Canada.

I think I am ready for a drink. Maybe vodka and tonic with liime. Hello all. How have your days gone?

Topic The next new categories
Posted 12 Nov 2017 15:42

What about mind control? I love stories of hypnosis and other mind control

I think that might run into problems regarding consent.

Topic RUMPLATIONS: Honky Tonk and Cyber Bar
Posted 12 Nov 2017 15:31

Evening, Hannah. Your want 'real' tea or one of those decaf, not really tea,like that 'cameltoe' stuff? ;)

Sara, did you get your Crown and Coke? In case you can't remember, here's another one, just to be on the safe side.

Don't recall if Ms P placed an order or, if she did, just exactly what it might have been. So here's ya a mug of tea so Hannah won't be sipping alone.

Dang interesting weekend, imo.

Anybody else need a drink?

glasses8

Thank you. It's evening here now. I think I'll have a glass of red wine please.