Forum posts made by principessa

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 28 Aug 2017 16:31


4 pages out of 6 - of someone trying to convince others that she isn't stupid, nor a trump supporter and is being bullied. wow

my suggestion is this .... if you can't debate, express yourself adequately in your opinion, especially if someone presses you on WHY you have said opinion, it is probably in everyone's best interest to avoid the thread.

I just read 4 pages of utter ridiculous comments that pertained nothing to the actual OP thread and contributed zero thereto besides looking like a complete ass.

At least there was a few great posts about how disappointing and dooming #Potus45 is ... and continue to evolving into.

Even as a Canadian, I am disappointed in how the American President addressed the issue .... so terribly sad for everyone .... well, excluding those on the far right/alt right and trump supporters who are steadfast.



I hope this puts an end to it and this thread will go back to its original subject. Thanks, Van.

Topic Potus45 - Will he be impeached?
Posted 28 Aug 2017 07:46

In fact i did say most of that after some of your initial posts, as did others. When you continued disregarding the suggestions, and posting stupid emoticons rather than actually responding to the counterpoints made by myself and others to your posts is when i made that comment. And explain what you used the NY Post as an example of?

She was comparing Lush to a great paper in New York, one that well informed people read, but got it wrong. It is The New York Times. The New York Post is a tabloid paper.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 27 Aug 2017 14:46

Bullying, spelling Nazis, and, hating someone who thinks different. Wow, way to show how wonderful left thinking is. I want to be part of your cult..(not)

Right. The cult of intelligent, literate people. It would be easier to ignore all of your mistakes if your thoughts were worthy of consideration.

Just to fulfill your expectations, I should tell you that the adverb is differently, not different.

Topic Potus45 - Will he be impeached?
Posted 27 Aug 2017 10:48

I don't see him being impeached, but I would not be surprised if he steps down before his term is up.

I think that the Mueller investigation will reveal a lot about Trump and his team, not just regarding collusion with Russia and his campaign but also financial details that he has refused to share until now. His indebtedness to Russian oligarchs who are pals of Putin will probably be one of the uncomfortable things revealed. There may well be a case made for obstruction of justice against him regarding his effort to squelch this investigation and possibly other matters like his drafting Donald Jr.'s account to his meeting with Russians during the campaign. They may well be building an ethics case based on his continuing to profit from his businesses while in office and lack of a proper arm's length distance with a blind trust. Having your children run the businesses is not a blind trust. He is blatantly self-dealing with promotion of his hotels and resorts including the one near the White House.

Trump is not the selfless type. He would not likely resign in the face of impeachment proceedings that have the votes to succeed as Nixon did to save the country the trauma of the process. The down side of him fighting would be having all of his misdeeds made public. Either way, I don't think he will last a full term. I have my doubts about his stability and would not be shocked if he did resign for purported health reasons as he becomes more delusional.

Whatever and whenever happens, it could not be a moment too soon.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 27 Aug 2017 07:46

Better then your's

Still haven't figured out how to use apostrophes. Oh well, that is the least of your problems.

Topic Potus45 - Will he be impeached?
Posted 27 Aug 2017 07:44

The Trump presidency is a joke. The quicker he is impeached the better.

What sort of cunt nominates a climate change skeptic as administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency?

Orange-faced, pussy-grabbing, racist fuck...

Just add xenophobic, anti-semitic, morally bankrupt, narcissistic, ignorant, lazy, and so much more. Of course he is also a pathological liar and a con man. Oh, I could go on and on. But that is the essence of him.

Oh well, the Romans survived Caligula, so the US will survive him.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 25 Aug 2017 17:54

Les Miserables had nothing to do with fighting for slavery and tearing the country apart to do so. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 25 Aug 2017 16:56

Sorry. I did not mean to post.

Topic Question for Writers
Posted 25 Aug 2017 15:57

I think that our values and world view are reflected in our politics. I think that for the most part you write from what you think and what you know as well as from fantasy. My female characters are always strong, self-possessed women and so (I hope) related to me. The male characters see women as equals, again related to my politics.

I don't think we necessarily write with politics in mind, unless you do that deliberately, but I do think there is a subtext to our stories that is political.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 25 Aug 2017 13:12

bunch of losers. men hating losers. you all look stupid. later losers. binky argue fart

I can picture you sputtering with anger and frustration as you have no clue how to respond intelligently. So you flail and mutter incoherently about nothing related to the conversation. Your emoticons suit you: a binky, arguing and a fart.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 23 Aug 2017 19:20

I do agree with you about Jared and Ivanka though, unless they are both as morally corrupt as he is and the whole "Jewish" thing is nothing more than a facade.

Jared Kushner's grandparents were Holocaust survivors and he is an Orthodox Jew (the most observant sect). Ivanka converted to Judaism before marrying him and that is no easy feat. Judaism requires a lot of education and other hurdles before allowing someone to convert. So, I believe it is more than a thing as you put it. That is why it shocks me that they have not returned to New York even if they did not publicly denounce Trump. Ivanka has tweeted a couple of times with generic statements against racism and neo-nazis.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 23 Aug 2017 18:22

Well, just look at the poster you quoted. As my sister said to me today, Helen Keller could see right through trump and hear his lies. And do you really think she will get the knife/gun reference? I don't.

Unfortunately, there is no intelligence test attached to voting or posting. (Of course I am joking.)

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 23 Aug 2017 17:23

I would be happy to see the demise of all the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus factions of the GOP. They have power far out of proportion to the number of people who support their extreme ideas. To be truthful, I would like to see the GOP driven into the wilderness for a generation as their just deserts for appealing to the worst in Americans and thereby convincing them to vote against their own best interest. This has been going on since Nixon's southern strategy and culminated with Trump and normalizing racism, xenophobia and now equivocation about neo-nazis. They are all answerable for this as silence is consent.

The Dems need to rebuild their party from the ground up and return to being the party of working and middle class Americans, not the party of Goldman Sachs. If they did this and a new generation of Dems took over, people like Cory Booker, they would be worthy of being in power. This has to start at the local level, retaking state legislatures and governorships, and then the federal level. All of the people appalled by Trump would be happy to have a viable and believable alternative to vote for.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 23 Aug 2017 16:48

I agree with everything you said, Buz.

What I don't understand is how GOP elected officials have not unequivocally denounced him and how any member of his cabinet who is a member of a minority, including those who are Jewish, can possibly continue working with and for him. No, I take that back. Every cabinet member and appointee should not be able to continue in good conscience. If this were a parliamentary system they would resign and Trump would face a vote of confidence.

Most of all, I cannot imagine how Ivanka and Jared can bear to be in his presence after this. If I were in their position, I would go back to New York and let him know that he is off limits to his Jewish grandchildren.

For any of these individuals to do otherwise approaches Trump's own moral bankruptcy. It would be impossible to explain to family and friends that you are sticking with a man who cannot see an ethical difference between neo-nazis, the KKK, and other such white supremacists and those who oppose them, but rather puts them on a moral plane.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 23 Aug 2017 14:26

dani you are nothing so stop talking about me. As for unintelligent I see your pic in the dictionary under that word. Grow up I know you can do it if you weren't such a loserviolent1 No wonder when your in the chat rooms you whisper. No one there want's to see what you have to say. Not like here where all your minions hang on every word you say, like adele and princess whats-her- face. deal!

For the record, I am no one's minion. I am completely capable of forming my own opinions and posting them in a coherent (and grammatically correct) way. I doubt Dani and I have exchanged more than one or two messages and that would have been some time ago. I don't answer to you. You are beginning to sound a little paranoid rather than understanding that people have the same negative reaction to you and your thoughts because they recognize the same things about them.

You are still having trouble with grammar and apostrophes. This thread will help you.

And here is a hint. When a word is underlined in red as you type it is a spelling mistake.

Topic Where do you get your news?
Posted 23 Aug 2017 10:12

The New York Times, CBC, The Guardian, and CNN. For commentary I also read The New Yorker.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 23 Aug 2017 08:16

CNN counted 57 lies in Trump's performance last night. The most glaring was his review of his comments on Charlottesville which conveniently omitted his assertion that there was violence on many sides and fine people on both sides. And yet the people cheer him. Are they willfully blind and deaf to his lies, his narcissism, his lack of impulse control, his ignorance, his lack of background in governance, diplomacy, history and so much more? Perhaps. Trump creates an alternate reality and they buy it reflecting their opinions in this tribalized society. He confirms their prejudices and normalizes them.

Today, James Clapper, the former intelligence chief, said that he worries about Trump having the nuclear codes. His competence and stability are in question. More and more officials currently and formerly in government are questioning his fitness for office. Perhaps the 25th Amendment will eventually be used because of his mental instability.

As I have said before, he is utterly unsuited to this position. He loves the attention and the adulation and thrives on the chaos. There will come a time where he is faced with the results of the Mueller investigation. It will reveal whether there was collusion with the Russians and information he has been adamant not to share about his finances. There could be grounds for impeachment. He will not resign to save the country as Nixon did.

Of course, he may survive all of this and run again.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 22 Aug 2017 18:25


Your other posts have shown it, but now we have proof positive of what a grownup intellectual you are.

If you can't treat other people with a semblance of respect, just don't post.

Topic Why not line the streets
Posted 22 Aug 2017 18:17

What I'd like to see from white supremacists counter protesters is to be burning candles in silence then as the hateful bigots start to march by, the counter protesters turn their backs to them. That would be a peaceful protest that would deeply insult the race haters and frustrate their recruitment tactics at the same time. Their tactics thrive on angry, loud and possibly violent confrontation.

I think that I read about this being done somewhere, but I can't remember where. It is a really good idea. Silence and disdain instead of shouting in confrontation.

Topic Why not line the streets
Posted 22 Aug 2017 18:12

None that I know of... just a good few police hospitalised... I am still looking for the pictures I wanted, taken at the Inauguration... I will find them... have two much better and without the meme stuff. You have deflected your question... or are you saying that violence is ok if no one is killed?. Remember there are posts on here that see no evil on the left.
I see evil on both sides.


I abhor the violence on both sides but I reject any argument that asserts any equivalence between the neo-nazis and those who marched against them. The vast majority of those who counter-protested were not members of a antifa. All of the marchers on the other side were neo-nazis, KKK members, white supremacists or some variation thereof, and it was they who came openly armed with assault weapons as Virginia is an open carry state.

I believe that the Trump campaign has provided the environment for these people to come off the internet and into the street, without their hoods, marching proudly as they shout racist and anti-semitic chants. They picked Charlottesville because it is a university town, liberal by the standards of the south, and were looking to make a statement. As I have said elsewhere, when David Duke thanks you as he thanked Trump, you know you are doing something very, very wrong. Trump has changed the GOP dog whistle politics to openly court these people with thinly coded language. His unscripted remarks last Tuesday revealed his true opinions about the events in Charlottesville and those who were there. There is no taking that back.

Topic Why not line the streets
Posted 22 Aug 2017 17:17

Just_A_Guy_You_ Know is correct. There is no limitation on free speech other than the cliched example of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. All ideas may compete in the marketplace of ideas, but we also have a right to say that there are some that we find repugnant.

The way you fight ugliness like that we saw in Charlottesville last weekend is by standing up to it and voicing your objection. You send a message that such racism, anti-semitism, and xenophobia is unacceptable by showing up to counter-protest - without violence. Not everything has to be done on such a grand scale. If someone tells a joke or makes a comment that is outside the bounds of decent behaviour, you have an obligation to call them on it. Saying it was just a joke is not a valid excuse. I realize that sometimes it is not an easy thing to do, but silence is consent.

So, people of good will have to be counted on the side of being decent human beings. That is how you fight bigotry.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 21 Aug 2017 17:13

That the best you got? It figures.

After a certain point there is no reason to engage with someone who continues to display in so many ways that it is useless.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 20 Aug 2017 16:38

In poll numbers from Ohio, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania reveal that about 65% of voters are embarrassed by Trump. His approval rating among them is tanking to less than the reliable 35%.

In only seven months in office Trump has caused so much damage that it will take a change of government and many years for it to be repaired. All of this began with his despicable campaign against President Obama, questioning his place of birth. What it was really about was being unable to accept an African-American president and that is the root of much of Trump's support.

It is both ironic and fitting that his statement this week confirmed his racist opinions and, for the majority of people including some who supported him, have gone a bridge too far. When David Duke thanks you for your support you know you are doing something very, very wrong.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 20 Aug 2017 08:15

For what it's worth, I like your answer.

It's worth a lot. Thank you.

I have two things to add. Contrary to what Trump said there is no such thing as a nazi who is a fine person and contrary to what doctorlove said Ms Heyer is not responsible for her own death merely by her presence there. Both thoughts are outrageously offensive.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 20 Aug 2017 07:04

Why should Trump really care about a bunch of guys expressing their opinion and walking the street with flags and tourchs? It's anyone's right to believe what they want and march for it. I didn't see people bitch about the gay and lesbian protest. It is a shame that a young lady lost her life,but when we put ourselves in an the middle of a protest to protest against them we all are aware it could possibly turn violent.

Sleep with someone you don't know and an std chance is high.

Run from the cops while in the act of carrying a weapon and chances are it won't end well.

Dance with the devil and evil with engulf your soul.

Just because you believe doesn't make it right

Yes, they have freedom of speech. But that does not legitimize their odious opinions and we all have a right to object to them. Perhaps you are unaware of very much history. The torches were reminiscent of two things, the nazis marches in 1930s Germany, and unfortunately marches by the KKK in the first half of the 20th century US. They were chanting "you (African-Americans) will not replace us" and "Jews will not replace us" among other racist and anti-semitic chants. They hate Jews. They hate African-Americans. They hate immigrants. They hate Asians. They hate Latinos. They hate Native Americans. They hate anyone who does not have white skin and worship as they do. Not only that, they wish all of these groups dead and think that Hitler was doing the right thing in Germany.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans, Brits, Canadians, and many other nationalities fought a world war against this. Millions died in battle and in concentration and POW camps. That is why good people have to raise their voices to object to these people and their world view. The neo-nazis have the right to march, but the rest of us have not only a right but a moral obligation to say they are wrong, not just wrong but that their ideas are unacceptable in civil society. As the leader of a democratic country Trump had a moral responsibility to denounce the neo-nazis and all of their ideas. That is why he should care, but that would assume he had a moral compass. That he equated them to those who objected to them made it much, much worse. He abdicated the high moral ground and sank to the level of a segment of his base to ingratiate himself with them.

You probably will not like my answer and I accept that. I will not argue with you about this, but I could not let your post go unanswered.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 18 Aug 2017 14:36

Whatever anyone thinks of Trump and his actions / opinions, the fact is more Americans voted for him than Hilary Clinton, so you got what you wanted, it is a democracy after all lol, you all knew what you were voting for.

Actually that is not true. Trump won the Electoral College but Clinton got 2.9 million more votes than he did. So, if it were the popular vote that decided elections she would be president.

Edit: Sorry, I did not read enough of the posts and did not realize this point had been made. I didn't mean to be repetitive.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 18 Aug 2017 09:12

I'm just wondering what is next after all the status's are know the one's that offend the alt-left so much.
Is it book burning next? I hear "Tom Sawyer" might get them all in a up roar...When will it all end? I get the men the status's are made of were not the best men in the world...But it is our history like it or not..Just cause you get rid of it doesn't erase what happened. Also I never worship status but I do think it's sad they want them all gone...In Chicago they are talking about getting rid of Washington and Tomas Jefferson, because they owned slaves...I'm sorry I just feel it is wrong to get rid of the status's. confused5

First there is no such thing as the alt left. It is a term coined by the white nationalists to demonize the opposition as they have and fellow racists and anti-semites have been labelled the alt right.

The important thing is to put the statues (I could not understand what status you were talking about) and other symbols of the Confederacy in historical context rather than in a place of veneration in the public squares of southern cities. They were not installed in the aftermath of the Civil War, but rather early in the 20th century to symbolize the continuation of Jim Crow segregation in the south and some later in the 50s and 60s as a message against the civil rights and voting rights movements. They do not have a storied history.

You are also confused about apostrophes. They are not used to form a plural.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 17 Aug 2017 18:58

Let's put a little spin on this. would you be okay with putting up a statue of Osama Bin Laden at Ground zero? How about one of Hitler in London? it's one thing to make books like Mein Kampf available or any history book, really, but do we really need to celebrate "heroes" who fought in a war with the purpose of protecting their "right" to keep an entire race as slaves?

no, it doesn't erase what happened - but think about this - can you even imagine what it would feel like to be black and see those honorifics every day in your hometown as a reminder of what a lot of people still believe? that you are an animal and deserve nothing better than to be beaten, enslaved, or lynched - and that is exactly what neo-nazis, white supremists, etc, believe.

yes, washington and jefferson owned slaves - you can't forget that, but they also did their part in promoting the ideal of 'all
men are created equal'. imperfect men in an imperfect time, admittedly, but they created a nation in which people could, eventually, be free.

It is one thing to acknowledge symbols as a part of history, but they must be put in proper context. Hitler and Stalin are not to be venerated. Symbols of the Confederacy belong in a museum but not in public squares to remind people every day of who and what they were.

Topic Trump's Response to Charlottesville Is Both Disappointing and Dooming
Posted 17 Aug 2017 14:36

I think that Trump was as surprised as everyone else when he won, despite his constant bluster about his win. I doubt he gave more than ten minutes of thought as to what he would do if elected throughout the campaign. His campaign rallies were more about his bragging and attacking Hillary Clinton than they were about policy which is not his strong suit. I think that he likes the game and the chase and is bored easily once that is over hence his retreating to pep rallies to recharge his ego every few weeks. He may well have been elected in part by a protest vote against the establishment along with his appeal to people like those who marched in Charlottesville this past weekend.

He is a man uniquely unsuited to actually be president for a number of reasons: the short attention span I mentioned, laziness, a lack of intellectual curiosity, a lack of any background in governance, history or diplomacy, and, in my view, the absence of a moral compass. He loves the idea of being president, the pomp, the plane and helicopters and probably the chocolate cake and ice cream at the White House. He does not like briefing books and has asked for one page reports with bullet points on policy issues. He does not like long hours of work and ironically has visited his golf clubs dozens of times in his tenure after criticizing Obama for his occasional games.

And now we have his equivocation after the events in Charolottesville, talking about "many fine people" on both sides and giving neo-nazis, racists, and anti-semites the same status as those who opposed them. Yes, there was physical violence on both sides, but only the white supremacists arrived armed with assault weapons and more, openly carried. Anyone who has seen the video of those people marching through the campus on Friday night with their torches and chanting "Jews won't replace us", "you won't replace us", "blood and soil" and much worse. The torches and "blood and soil" and the anti-semitic chants were a direct nod to the brownshirt marches of 1930s. That anyone could find such people morally equivalent to their opposition is absurd and an effort to legitimize white identity politics. Of course, they have been emboldened by Trump to march unmasked and proud. No dog whistle politics from Trump. He encourages them without shame.

His embrace of Confederate history and culture including the recent tweets about Confederate statues and Bannon's interview goading the Dems to talk about race while they talked about economic issues and squash the Dems are a distraction diversion to take the light off of Trump's lack of moral authority in this situation. Instead of being a source of comfort to all Americans after these events, he has exacerbated divisions. Trump and Bannon play the game of giving the press and the rest of us another shiny object to look at to take attention away from whatever mess they have created and we all fall for it every time. It is a three ring circus.

What is also disheartening is the deafening silence among GOP elected and appointed officials regarding Trump's behaviour and statements but for a very few. I naively thought that some in his cabinet might resign.

Topic Potus45 - Will he be impeached?
Posted 15 Aug 2017 10:22

He's not gonna be impeached.

American blood spilled on American soil by Nazi's, and within 24 hours it is just another talking point. It's clear the house and senate are happy with this clown in charge, because while this deadly circus is going on, the EPA is being shredded, regulations on big business are being stripped away, voting rights and abortion clinics are being shut down, and the stock market is surging, even as wages stagnate. They will tolerate bloodshed and casual racism and the threat of nuclear war to push their agenda through.

There is, by the way, a long history of the alt-right wet dream of running down leftist protesters with cars. This was no lone wingnut.

I disagree about Trump being impeached but agree with your assessment. The members of the House and Senate are content to have Trump distracted while they push forward a right wing agenda as you described. So long as the stock market surges and tax cuts are coming the 1% will be happy. However, there will come a point where Trump has become so unpopular that incumbents will be concerned about their re-election. That is when they will be forced to distance themselves from him. His popularity was cited today at 34%, an all time low for presidents at this point in their term.

We also can predict that the Mueller investigation will unearth not only collusion among his campaign team and the Russians, but also information about his finances and business that he has tried not to disclose, including his tax returns and the hundreds of millions he owes to Russian banks owned by oligarchs who are Putin's pals. I think there will be a tsunami of information that will be the undoing of Trump's presidency including criminal charges against some team members. The GOP will abandon him to save themselves and impeach him.

His performance this weekend in the wake of the racist anti-semitic hate groups marching through Charlottesville armed with assault rifles was despicable. There is no moral equivalence between them and those who opposed them. His second statement was too little, too late and lacked any real conviction. He has been in bed with these people since early in his campaign and has always been loath to repudiate them and their votes. He has given them permission to parade proudly without hoods and masks and to shout publicly opinions which had been relegated to their homes.

I understand the impulse to pay no attention to these alt right extremists and neo-Nazis. Perhaps we should give them less publicity, but they must be faced down. A clear message must be sent that these views are not acceptable in the US or anywhere else. Bad things happen when good people remain silent and this silence is interpreted as consent. Hate crimes against minorities, Jews and Muslims have spiked. People have to communicate that this is not done in their name.