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Canadian Radio Host fired over BDSM?

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I'm not sure how well Jian Ghomeshi and his show "Q" are known outside Canada but I do know the show does have listeners in the USA. He is certainly a minor celeb up here in Canada and has received praise for his work from some US publications.

Over the weekend, he was canned by the CBC (think the BBC but with more maple syrup) for unspecified reasons. Ghomeshi responded by posting a piece on his Facebook alleging it was because of his sexual proclivities, esp. towards BDSM. He is also planning to sue the CBC (which can ill afford the $50 million he's claiming) and launch a union grievance.

From The Globe and Mail, our largest national paper: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/cbc-cuts-ties-with-jian-ghomeshi/article21308822/

Since then, a Canadian paper (not the Globe) has published allegations that some of his BDSM activities went over the line into harassment and non-consent but so far no one has actually come forward. It all seems to be rumour and innuendo.

Out of all this, came the following editorial by a law professor, also in the Globe, on the rather complex issues around BDSM and consent in Canadian case law.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ghomeshi-question-the-law-and-consent/article21315629/

Should make for some fun and fireworks if/when it goes to court. Of course, the way our system works, most people will probably be going "Jian Who?" by the time it actually gets to trial.ajs62ertoZm8DYHs
That was actually quite an interesting read, especially the second link. And I've heard of that guy before: he has quite a nice collection of interviews with various celebrities on YouTube, and I've stumbled across some of these over the years.

Here's an interview he made with Quentin Tarantino:




But aside from his own personal story (which seems to be pretty nebulous at the moment), this raises quite a few thoughts concerning the whole BDSM community. As that law professor wrote in the second link, 'assault' and 'physical harm' are considered to be illegal no matter if they're consensual or not; I didn't know that. Even if BDSM practices can be performed in a purely cooperative/consensual atmosphere, some of these could turn out to be quite incriminating, especially since charges for 'sexual assault' can be very severe.

This truly reinforces the idea that you should communicate at length with your partner before BDSM scenarios and have a perfect level of confidence. If you perform something that your partner doesn't approve of, he/she could easily denounce you for it.
Whoa!!!

This situation / court case could be on par with Vriend v. Alberta and Egan v. Canada establishing a precedent that will be used for years to come.

The situation of Jian's PRIVATE sexual appetite / affairs should NOT be a factor on the type and quality of work he does for CBC. My own sexual appetite, or the fact I write erotica and visit an erotica website, should NOT colour my employer's opinion of my quality work.


For weeks, says a lawsuit filed Monday, Jian Ghomeshi and his CBC bosses worked in tandem, discussing his sexual fetishes and jointly crafting a response to the "scurrilous" allegations he feared were coming.

The star radio host and his employer had a mutual interest in neutralizing a possible charge that he was involved in abusive, non-consensual sex, Ghomeshi asserts in the $55-million suit.

Then, without warning, the corporation turned against him, using the intimate information he had divulged in confidence and fears of a "negative public reaction" as grounds to fire him, alleges the statement of claim filed in a Toronto court.

"In doing so, the CBC was making a moral judgment about the appropriateness of BDSM," says the document, referring to the sexual lifestyle known as bondage-discipline, dominant-submissive and sadomasochism.

"Engaging in BDSM is part of the normal continuum of human sexual behaviours, and it is increasingly common that engaging in BDSM would not be seen as either shocking or scandalous to informed North Americans," it says. "Nevertheless, based

on the CBC's antiquated perspective, (it) terminated Mr. Ghomeshi's employment."

The "breach of confidence" lawsuit adds fuel to a startling labour dispute involving one of the CBC's best-known personalities, and came on the same day that serious allegations against Ghomeshi by four women were, in fact, published in a Toronto newspaper.

Three of them told the Toronto Star they had dated Ghomeshi, 47, and were subjected to unwanted punching, slapping and choking during sex. Another woman, unnamed like the others, said she had worked at CBC and that Ghomeshi told her at work "I want to hate f--you" and groped her buttocks. She said she raised the matter with her union representative.

Both the CBC itself and its main union said Monday, however, they had never received a formal complaint against Ghomeshi.

The Toronto police service also indicated it was not investigating, and would probably not do so unless someone approached the force directly.

Ghomeshi was host of the program Q on CBC's main English radio network, which had become its most popular morning show ever, as well as being aired on numerous National Public Radio stations in the United States.

Signs of trouble in the public broadcaster's ties with Ghomeshi surfaced last Friday, when the CBC announced that Ghomeshi would be taking a leave from the program for personal reasons, after the recent death of his father.

Then came the bombshell Sunday that he had been let go, the CBC indicating that "information came to our attention recently that ... precludes us from continuing our relationship."

Hours later, Ghomeshi posted a lengthy statement on Facebook, admitting that he practised "rough sex" that some might find offensive, but always did so with the consent of his partners. He also revealed that a former girlfriend, in an apparent act of vengeance, was behind an attempt to accuse him publicly of abusive, non-consensual practices.

The former host has also said he is filing a union grievance of his termination. In fact, as a union member, that is the only way he can legally contest his firing, said labour lawyers. The lawsuit is not for wrongful dismissal.

Employers must have cause to fire unionized employees, and for some occupations - teachers, for instance - that might involve conduct in the person's private life, said Hugh Scher, past president of the Ontario Bar Association's labour-law section.


As we all know, since the infamous 50 shades of grey ...... bdsm is now mainstream. CBC needs to evolve into this century.
Umm, let's see. J. Edgar Hoover was a cross dressing, in the closet self hating homosexual, who then turned everyone else's closet issues on them to gain power. A litany of public icons have had their issues. Hi Mr. Crosby, which belt would you like to beat your kids with tonight?

Decades of beloved assholes have gotten away with murder. (cough) Hi Mr. Kennedy, I see you've brought Bobby and Ted with you. Shall I sit you with Mr. Bob Crane?

In this day of transparency, I love Ghomeshi's honesty, and transparency. Clearly shown in his comments in the attached article. It is in line with most of his interviews which I've enjoyed immensely. The CBC should think about this again. They would lose no listeners, and probably gain a whole new demographic. And please, with youtube, Sirius Radio, and the army of talk shows out there, you're going to fire the one guy who actually has ratings, and a brain?

Oh well. Someone is going to be hiring an awesome host soon.
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I'm not sure how well Jian Ghomeshi and his show "Q" are known outside Canada but I do know the show does have listeners in the USA. He is certainly a minor celeb up here in Canada and has received praise for his work from some US publications.

Over the weekend, he was canned by the CBC (think the BBC but with more maple syrup) for unspecified reasons. Ghomeshi responded by posting a piece on his Facebook alleging it was because of his sexual proclivities, esp. towards BDSM. He is also planning to sue the CBC (which can ill afford the $50 million he's claiming) and launch a union grievance.

From The Globe and Mail, our largest national paper: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/cbc-cuts-ties-with-jian-ghomeshi/article21308822/

Since then, a Canadian paper (not the Globe) has published allegations that some of his BDSM activities went over the line into harassment and non-consent but so far no one has actually come forward. It all seems to be rumour and innuendo.

Out of all this, came the following editorial by a law professor, also in the Globe, on the rather complex issues around BDSM and consent in Canadian case law.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ghomeshi-question-the-law-and-consent/article21315629/

Should make for some fun and fireworks if/when it goes to court. Of course, the way our system works, most people will probably be going "Jian Who?" by the time it actually gets to trial.Uuq3ip3l60PDmhCk


Curious as to whether or not they'll advertise 50 Shades of Grey ;)
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Whoa!!!

This situation / court case could be on par with Vriend v. Alberta and Egan v. Canada establishing a precedent that will be used for years to come.

The situation of Jian's PRIVATE sexual appetite / affairs should NOT be a factor on the type and quality of work he does for CBC. My own sexual appetite, or the fact I write erotica and visit an erotica website, should NOT colour my employer's opinion of my quality work.




As we all know, since the infamous 50 shades of grey ...... bdsm is now mainstream. CBC needs to evolve into this century.


Unfortunately for Jian, there's a growing body of evidence his kink was not always practiced in a entirely consensual manner and that may be his Achilles Heel in this whole thing. Even if one complainant comes forward with a credible case, his whole argument about being fired over simply his BDSM practices goes down in flames. This is starting to have the potential to go seriously off the rails for both him AND the CBC.

My worry is that there could be some serious blowback for the BDSM scene here as a whole if it does go down that road. I'm not a part of it (no real interest beyond maybe a bit of bondage and dominance roleplay fantasies) but I am a supporter and defender of sexual freedoms of various sorts. I know that on my other board, we've got fairly uptight sorts (liberal on things like LGBT rights but not comfortable with things like the sex trade and BDSM) that I'm going to be fighting with on this.
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Unfortunately for Jian, there's a growing body of evidence his kink was not always practiced in a entirely consensual manner and that may be his Achilles Heel in this whole thing. Even if one complainant comes forward with a credible case, his whole argument about being fired over simply his BDSM practices goes down in flames. This is starting to have the potential to go seriously off the rails for both him AND the CBC.

My worry is that there could be some serious blowback for the BDSM scene here as a whole if it does go down that road. I'm not a part of it (no real interest beyond maybe a bit of bondage and dominance roleplay fantasies) but I am a supporter and defender of sexual freedoms of various sorts. I know that on my other board, we've got fairly uptight sorts (liberal on things like LGBT rights but not comfortable with things like the sex trade and BDSM) that I'm going to be fighting with on this.


I totally agree.

I've been very .... conflicted with this situation.

1 - if it was non-consensual - there's a huge fucking problem
2 - was it a situation that kinda went sideways (Jian) and communication was missing .... and many of us have been in that type of situation .... and we scramble out of it .... not to ever look back
3 - are we really talking BDSM or was his kink something more than?

From the initial application by JG for "unfair dismissal due to my private sex life" .... I totally was thinking .... privately our kinks should not interfere with our employers' view of how well we do our job ..... as we are not in our bedroom while we perform our work.

But of course, this is morphing.

In my head, there are a few points that should be considered with this case: a) apparently many people knew of JG's fondness for the rough trade and it was a "known" even among those who put themselves into a situation of playing with him; and b) if he assaulted someone, why the fuck didn't they go to the police?

This is a nightmare for both CBC and JC .... and those women who feel they have been assaulted. It's difficult years after the fact to prove .... and I believe JC is now sunk. Damned by this press and no court will give him back his "golden boy" interviewer status.

I'll be watching with keen interest how this evolves. I think it will get VERY nasty.
I REALLY like Jian as an Interviewer/Broadcaster...

(His I/V with THE ASSHOLE Billy Bob Thornton is a MODEL of live broadcasting...) I would have CANCELLED the I/V. (How he maintains his temper I just dunno...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJWS6qyy7bw

As for his Private Life, well I know FUCK ALL about BDSM... I have no interest in that... The HINT of non-consensual sex will fuck anyone's career... (I KNOW that in the context of Lush Stories BDSM is a consensual practice, of course... No problem with that...)

I REALLY hope these accusations are not true.

xx SF
update November 26, 2014

Jian Ghomeshi, 47, surrendered to police on Wednesday morning and was formally charged under the Criminal Code with four counts of sexual assault and one described by police as "overcome resistance – choking."

None of the charges have been tested in court.

Former CBC Radio host Jian Ghomeshi was released on bail today following a court appearance in Toronto to face five criminal charges. He is accused of sexual assault and choking.

A sombre looking Ghomeshi exited the downtown courthouse through a crush of media and police officers after his bail was set at $100,000.

Ghomeshi's lawyer, Marie Henein, told the gathered reporters that her client would be pleading not guilty and there would be no further statements to the media. "We will address these allegations fully and directly in a courtroom. It is not my practice to litigate my cases in the media," she said.

His bail conditions include living with his mother — who was present in court and acted as his surety — no contact with his alleged victims and an agreement to surrender his passport and remain in Ontario.

When asked by a judge if he understood the conditions of his release, Ghomeshi clasped his hands in front of him, nodded slightly and said "yes" and "I do."

The charges come a month after he was fired by CBC.


We'll be hearing more come January 8, 2015 when he will appear in court.

Yeah, this has quickly gone from "Jian fighting the big bad CBC for his right to be kinky" to "Various women (and at least one guy) fighting big bad Jian for his non-consensual actions against them". He also had to drop his suit in order to get his union to even consider grieving his case with the CBC and they are still not saying if they will do it given this news.