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So a quick look at todays top scoring story finds the usual story in the lead

But to see 17 comments saying how brilliant it is has floored me

NO ITS NOT

A pretty much Daddy fucks daughter storyline together with zero presentation,
makes it abysmal in my mind...Thank God I am not a Moderator I would not even
have let that go out in that form...perhaps its time this site followed others and
took more care of presentation than content.

Rant Over... Return to your normal program.
Never thought I'd take the other side of an issue like this, but...if the story meets the stated guidelines, isn't a moderator more or less obligated to let it stand as written?

I realize you are really wondering out loud whether said guidelines should change to prioritize 'presentation', as you call it- but that seems like a difficult thing to write guidelines for, and to put the judgement on story quality in the hands of the moderators seems like a recipe for frequent vitriol between prospective authors and the site administration. Maybe that wouldn't bother the moderators, who knows? But they already get bushels of attitude when a story with 300 misspellings and child gets rejected...I'm just saying it seems to be trading one set of problems for another.

I seem to recall a thread from a few months back that I came across one afternoon- it asked whether lushstories was porn or erotica. Clearly, the story you are referencing is 'porn', if we're to draw a distinction. It's a 'Wham-bam-thank-you-Daddy' story, and I've made uneasy peace with the fact that stories will get five times the votes that most other types of stories will get, they will be generous in their judgement, and yes they will get 3 times the comments too.

Somewhere I saw written that accounts for something like 14% of the total site traffic- all I can say is that's a bunch of enthusiastic voting mo-fos, because the other 86% is certainly not voting at anywhere near the same clip.
Again I reiterate that if a story is within the site guidelines the story will most likely stay. Yes it is very difficult to not judge a particular story on its contents but again what may be sexy and a turn on to me may not be to another person and so on. Everyone has a right to their own opinion but the bottom line is that every author and reader here has a right to like what they like and is free to comment on any story as they please (within reason and as long as its not malicious toward the author). This may not sit well with a lot of people and you don't have to like it....but it is what it is.

Also another comment I want to make that many authors are first time writers and sometimes we allow certain area for growth. Not everyone is a great author the first time around but I have worked with many authors that are willing to take constructive criticism and have grown as authors on this site. So yes a Moderators job also consists of not being so closed minded and judgmental that we stifle creativity and imagination even though WE may not agree with it. Plus David I would so kick your ass everyday if you were a Moderator......so its better this way.....LMAO!

But please feel free to rant we all have thick skin......so please proceed David......LOL!

"Love all, trust a few, and do wrong to none."
Having written a few stories myself, perhaps I am biased and shouldn't throw my hat into the ring. But I will anyway. This site - as with all erotica sites - is all about fantasy. Yes there are limits - ie minors, violence, etc. - but overall its' about fantasy and fantasies are very subjective. Adult fantasies are repulsive to some and extremely hot to others. Like with any medium, the best way to avoid being offended by a astory or genre is to not read it. I find some stories on here pretty tasteless too, but that's different from violating guidelines.
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Like with any medium, the best way to avoid being offended by a a story or genre is to not read it.


As open minded as I am, some topics are left unread as they offend me or I find them a total turn off in which I choose not to partake! We all have our own common sense to play in the areas that are safe and enjoyable for the reader!
Keep on enjoying all or part of the site!
Run
Perhaps I am not being clear enough.. Its not the story content I have problems with,
but the gushing from the gallery like its some wonderous piece of literature
where in fact the layout presentation and grammar is no more than poor to mediocre...

When I wrote my first story it took three rejections before I got it good enough for them
(not this site) but it was a good learning experience

Does that make sense...

I look at some of the good writers and wonder why
they don't get the enthuiastic comments
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I look at some of the good writers and wonder why
they don't get the enthuiastic comments


I agree, and I think the answer is the same as why pulp fiction and horrible TV sitcoms and really bad predictable movies make money and "real" art doesn't.
I understand where DB is coming from; I write because I feel the need to share, and I know I’m not a perfect writer. I have more than my share of mistakes (please excuse me, English is not my first language) but I try..!

I would however like to find more comments on my stories, good or bad and I do enjoy a good rating; does this make me an attention whore..? I don’t think so, uhmm well I think I got off the subject let me go back. I wrote a story a while ago, that I am not proud of full of mistakes, and just awful; but it’s one of the stories that has gotten the most comments. Obviously a couple negatives, but mostly positive feedback. Which brings me back to my point – when I come across a really good story it hardly ever has feedback, but I read an awful story and it’s full of comments on how good it is, or how wet they got --- and yes those are all stories.

So this is what I’m going to do from now on, If I find a really good story I’m leaving feedback hahaha this is the best that I can do, as far as the site goes I love it, I have fun here..!
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Does that make sense...

I look at some of the good writers and wonder why
they don't get the enthuiastic comments


Makes perfect sense to me, and I certainly am sympathetic to your point.

Clearly, the crowd that's enthusiastic for stories with crappy grammar and little or no concern for plot development etc. (the aforementioned 14%?) aren't judging on the same parameters that you or I would.

That distinction plays to Ali's point about 'different strokes for different folks', but yes I do admit frustration about the disparity of votes and comments.

At the end of the day, though *sigh*, regardless of what the story guidelines are, the readers that are most active about voting and commenting are making their tastes known. Those of us that don't fall in line with what they find 'hawt' just have to suck it up.
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Does that make sense...

I look at some of the good writers and wonder why
they don't get the enthuiastic comments



Ok I get your point now and I understand it and believe me this is a growing site and still fairly new and Nic and Gav are working hard to improve it daily so sooner or later Nic's site will get to the point where those stories won't even hit the front page so be patient David dear we are not perfect...yet....LOL!

Now that is a good question to ask the readers of this site why they choose to comment on one story and not another......
"Love all, trust a few, and do wrong to none."
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Now that is a good question to ask the readers of this site why they choose to comment on one story and not another......


You just did ... I had stopped making comments at it seemed my view/comments (helpful as they were)
were the opposite of the majority I assumed I was in the wrong ...which of course could never be true

I might just go back to being a bit honest again ... but people don't take it personally..
I don't even know you
I know I'm quite new to this site and to writing in general but I have to agree with both Ali and DB. If there's a subject - like or humiliation - that doesn't do it for me, I don't read it because I know I won't enjoy it. Simple as!

But I have started reading stories which are full of bad grammar, dreadful spelling and - my favourite pet hate - text talk. So that puts me off as well and I give up and don't bother to finish it.
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Now that is a good question to ask the readers of this site why they choose to comment on one story and not another......


Unfortunately, I think this amounts to preaching to the choir, if the aim is to suss out what makes some stories worthy of praise/criticism while others are not. Based on the comments here and in other threads, as well as how thoughtful many of you have shown yourselves to be, I think most forum participants value a certain degree of storytelling, nuance, and grammatical proficiency.

And almost without exception, the people who comment on my stories are also active on the forum, and I think the same is true of many of you. Most of the people who are contributing to the 40+ votes for today's favorite story are not, based on the evidence of the comments, active in the forum.

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sooner or later Nic's site will get to the point where those stories won't even hit the front page


that's significant...can you or somebody explain what this means?
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And almost without exception, the people who comment on my stories are also active on the forum, and I think the same is true of many of you. Most of the people who are contributing to the 40+ votes for today's favorite story are not, based on the evidence of the comments, active in the forum.

proving once again forum users are a better class of pervert
than the other kind
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Quote by Zafia


Now that is a good question to ask the readers of this site why they choose to comment on one story and not another......


Unfortunately, I think this amounts to preaching to the choir, if the aim is to suss out what makes some stories worthy of praise/criticism while others are not. Based on the comments here and in other threads, as well as how thoughtful many of you have shown yourselves to be, I think most forum participants value a certain degree of storytelling, nuance, and grammatical proficiency.

And almost without exception, the people who comment on my stories are also active on the forum, and I think the same is true of many of you. Most of the people who are contributing to the 40+ votes for today's favorite story are not, based on the evidence of the comments, active in the forum.

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sooner or later Nic's site will get to the point where those stories won't even hit the front page


that's significant...can you or somebody explain what this means?


I guess I was not specific enough in my rhetoric sorry....lol......but I agree with you Lexy

I do want to clear something up when I said "stories like this" I meant stories that are not written well (proper punctuation and so forth), break the site guidelines, etc. not the type of category it was. Now with that being said explaination on site changes always come from Nic when they are implemented so until then your patience is always appreciated.......
"Love all, trust a few, and do wrong to none."
When I come across a badly writted story -be it lack of plot or bad grammer or no paragraphing my eyes glaze over and like a bad book I refuse to read anymore...When I find someone on here that I like I read all their stories...you are going to get the good with the bad...maybe if you leave a constructive comment regarding grammer and how to improve on it maybe the writer will try to improve...
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When I come across a badly writted story -be it lack of plot or bad grammer or no paragraphing my eyes glaze over and like a bad book I refuse to read anymore...When I find someone on here that I like I read all their stories...you are going to get the good with the bad...maybe if you leave a constructive comment regarding grammer and how to improve on it maybe the writer will try to improve...

And after a 8 month wait ..your next story is due ???
I read the comments and they all related to the story being 'hot', not well-written, presented or plotted out. If is your thing and you read a story about a dad shagging his daughter, isn't it a hot story?

The category just seems to attract the most enthusiastic voters, and it looks like they vote based on the level of arousal the story achieves in them, not spelling or grammar.

You'll just have to start churning out more stories!
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You just did ... I had stopped making comments at it seemed my view/comments (helpful as they were) were the opposite of the majority I assumed I was in the wrong ...which of course could never be true

I might just go back to being a bit honest again ... but people don't take it personally..


They're the best kind of comments, in my opinion. It's better to say what you really think (with tact) than to just say what you think a writer wants to hear.
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I read the comments and they all related to the story being 'hot', not well-written, presented or plotted out. If is your thing and you read a story about a dad shagging his daughter, isn't it a hot story?


depends on the reader...as illustrated by the comments. I don't care how hot the subject matter is, if the writer is obviously a mouth-breather and can't even get through a sentence without a syntax or spelling snafu of some sort, then I cease to be interested or aroused. Obviously, the 'idea' of so potent, that even a minimally plotted description of it will do the trick for many.

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You'll just have to start churning out more stories!


I'll get right on that...
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depends on the reader...as illustrated by the comments. I don't care how hot the subject matter is, if the writer is obviously a mouth-breather and can't even get through a sentence without a syntax or spelling snafu of some sort, then I cease to be interested or aroused. Obviously, the 'idea' of so potent, that even a minimally plotted description of it will do the trick for many.


That's probably it; the writer kicks off the reader's imagination and they take it from there.

My problem is that I think too much when I read. Errors distract me and I concentrate on them more than the actual storyline!
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My problem is that I think too much when I read. Errors distract me and I concentrate on them more than the actual storyline!


Ah!! well said Lisa ... That may well be my problem...as soon as I see an error, I get agitated
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My problem is that I think too much when I read. Errors distract me and I concentrate on them more than the actual storyline!


Ah!! well said Lisa ... That may well be my problem...as soon as I see an error, I get agitated


It's definitely a mood killer!
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But to see 17 comments saying how brilliant it is has floored me


Me too.

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NO ITS NOT


Correct.

For some reason, story loving surfers / authors seem to be a lot more vociferous than any others, and also bookmark that category more than the rest.

What would you have us do about it David? The story does not break any site guidelines, it's passable in terms of grammar and spelling.

We can't change the mindset of erotica surfers out there, if that's what they like to read, vote and comment on the most, then sobeit.

I noticed your own / reluctance story has 66 votes: http://www.lushstories.com/stories/reluctance/blackmailed-milf-part-one.aspx - proves the point about the popularity of the genre. It is a very well written story though.

Please keep your story comments coming, they are indeed very helpful and appreciated by those that are receptive to constructive criticism.
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You just did ... I had stopped making comments at it seemed my view/comments (helpful as they were) were the opposite of the majority I assumed I was in the wrong ...which of course could never be true

I might just go back to being a bit honest again ... but people don't take it personally..


They're the best kind of comments, in my opinion. It's better to say what you really think (with tact) than to just say what you think a writer wants to hear.


Thank you....my point exactly.....
"Love all, trust a few, and do wrong to none."
We're talking about two kinds of audiences here: those of us in the forums and the rest, who read the stories and maybe peek at us in the forum. They seem like two far different kinds, based on years of observation in here.
And like Nic said, what can we do about the ones who come in, read, and leave? Do we want to do anything about that?
If you're talking about the story with the avatar of the pretty young blonde, know that an avatar like that has a lot to do with votes on a story, too. It's the same principle as the "Info Babes" on network television. It works in getting more views. Couple that with the fantasy of the story along with the girl in the av and you'll see the author knows how to garner votes and views.
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along with the girl in the av and you'll see the author knows how to garner votes and views.

And Oh look ...they live the same place as myself
I will be staring at the neighbors tomorrow... lol
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What would you have us do about it David? The story does not break any site guidelines, it's passable in terms of grammar and spelling.


What would I know .... I am just a simple soul
I'm dying to see this animated willy gif now. I think the forum software is uploading images as the wrong file type or something. It's on Gav's to-do list.
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It's on Gav's to-do list.


Has Gav eaten, slept or seen sunlight in the past few years?