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Hi SP, I pointed out in my previous post in this thread that I wasn't disrespecting anyone elses personal fetish, but rather the derogatory way in which he spoke about women in general and the way he made a disfigured woman sound like she was a lower classed person than anyone else.


Making a disfigured woman sound like she was a lower classed person than anyone else? By actually being the only person here wanting to sleep with her and/or love her? I still don't get it, sorry.

Sorry to say, but some of the previous comments were a lot more derogatory to me. They were basically saying "How could anyone ever love, cherish and have sex with such a woman!? Only a wacko would want to have sex with her!".

I too thought that woman was ugly and I wouldn't want to have sex with her myself personally, but I still showed some respect and tolerance, both for the OP and for such women.


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What I don't understand about that part of your post SP, is why you think someone who is as disfigured as the girl in picture 3, would somehow be grateful that someone would have desires for her, based on her LOOKS. Yet the man who would love her will be perceived as an immoral monster. In my opinion, he would NOT if he loves her for every endearing or desirable trait she's got, not just for what she looks like.


I don't really understand what you're saying here. Just about every woman would feel grateful if someone had desires for her based on her looks. This would be even more true in this scenario. Women also appreciate when their other qualities are cherished, but they sure enjoy being complimented for their looks.

Some people are also only looking for physical qualities in a partner (this is true for both genders). Why would this case be any different? If I created a thread where I posted pictures of a hot model and said that I would gladly fuck her all day long, I'm not sure I would have been labeled as rotten, shitty and stinkingly disgusting.

The OP never mentioned if the physical appearance was the only thing that mattered to him either. It could or could not be the case, which would be his personal choice, nothing more. This is inherently a sex forum ; the focus is always going to be on the physical/primitive side of sex more than on the emotional aspect.


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Now I dream of finding a girl like this. Yea I sleep with hot women that are very attractive but this is a fetish I have to fulfill.

I want her face to be hideous, but when she takes off her clothes I want to see a perfect tight body.

And I am serious when I say I would screw this chick despite her face.


He was only expressing physical preferences here. Weird ones, but still. We all have different physical preferences, why would his be treated differently?
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WHY do you say this? Para-olympians and disfigured soldiers or anyone disfigured have the same emotions/feelings/thoughts as almost any of us. Why would you even ask if they are expected to hide away, Hide away because of what they look like? Are you another person that indicates people who are not 'perfect' should be grateful someone finds them desirable.

My post says exactly that if you took the time to read and understand it! I treat all people the same regardless of looks, race, gender etc until they do something to alter that.
I certainly don't think anybody should lock themselves away, they are human beings like all of us, with the same emotions and feelings.
However I think your disgust is based solely on the fact it's a woman, would you be so quick to protest if it was about a grotesque guy with a 12" cock, I think not. Women are sex objects to many guys on Lush, look at BDSM stories. Many women have the same feelings towards men!
I neither understand nor agree with this guy's fetish and I think the op should have been worded better. To be perfectly honest I'd rather the post hadn't been made at all. That said I'm not going to hound a guy who is both relatively new and young, I'd rather send a pm about it and give the option to reword it or leave it. I haven't been on Lush that long, some might still say it's too long, yet I've seen a few people get attacked on here and the next thing is they delete their account.
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Honestly, I clicked on this thread thinking it was some new sexual activity I didn't know about. But now that I know what a "butterface" is, I wish I had minded My own damn business!

Anyone who disregards someone because of their looks is not only shallow as a mud puddle, but is also possibly missing one of the best friendships they could hope for. As a part time aid for handicapped school kids, I can tell you that what is on the outside rarely decides what is on the inside. And if you limit your options to "the beautiful people" not only will you probably get shot down a lot, but you will be limiting your choices drastically. And frankly, a lot of those "beautiful people" aren't worth the effort.

This is a very disturbing thread because it only perpetuates some of the problems that people have already in fitting in and being happy. Anyone who has tried to live up to what society calls "attractive" knows it is hard enough to do without names and ridicule and mocking like the term "butterface". Maybe this girl isn't the most attractive person around, but she deserves to be treated like a human being.


For the record, butterfaces are not necessarily disfigured like the woman in the OP. The term simply defines a woman with an above than average body who also has an average/mediocre face. This girl could be considered a butterface, to a degree :



The term also comes from 'but her face'. Everything looks good about that girl, butterface. It's not really derogatory to me, just not something you would say to a girl's face. Just like 'ugly' or 'fat'.
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My post says exactly that if you took the time to read and understand it! I treat all people the same regardless of looks, race, gender etc until they do something to alter that.
I certainly don't think anybody should lock themselves away, they are human beings like all of us, with the same emotions and feelings.
However I think your disgust is based solely on the fact it's a woman, would you be so quick to protest if it was about a grotesque guy with a 12" cock, I think not. Women are sex objects to many guys on Lush, look at BDSM stories. Many women have the same feelings towards men!
I neither understand nor agree with this guy's fetish and I think the op should have been worded better. To be perfectly honest I'd rather the post hadn't been made at all. That said I'm not going to hound a guy who is both relatively new and young, I'd rather send a pm about it and give the option to reword it or leave it. I haven't been on Lush that long, some might still say it's too long, yet I've seen a few people get attacked on here and the next thing is they delete their account.


Hi dpw, I did take the time to read and 'understand' your original post however in my opinion, your post was ambiguous and I took it to have the opposite meaning to what you intended. My apologies.

However, you are incorrect in assuming my disgust is based solely on the fact the post is about a woman, and yes, i would be quick to protest if it was about a 'grotesque' guy with a 12" cock.

Why would you quote only BDSM stories where many women have the same feelings towards men? That could apply to any category of story.
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What I don't understand about that part of your post SP, is why you think someone who is as disfigured as the girl in picture 3, would somehow be grateful that someone would have desires for her, based on her LOOKS. Yet the man who would love her will be perceived as an immoral monster. In my opinion, he would NOT if he loves her for every endearing or desirable trait she's got, not just for what she looks like.



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Making a disfigured woman sound like she was a lower classed person than anyone else? By actually being the only person here wanting to sleep with her and/or love her? I still don't get it, sorry.

This is what you said in a previous post to that one.
I'm sure that a woman that's as disfigured as the picture in the OP (yes, they exist) would be quite pleased that someone would still have desires for her.


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Sorry to say, but some of the previous comments were a lot more derogatory to me. They were basically saying "How could anyone ever love, cherish and have sex with such a woman!? Only a wacko would want to have sex with her!".


I didn't quote 'some of the previous comments', I quoted yours, if you have a problem with some of the other posts, you have the option to address them.

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Also, why would the opposite be any more sane and morally acceptable, that is, desiring a woman with a beautiful face and a fat body?


In one of my earlier posts, I said I am not offended by the actual 'fetish' or 'lifestyle choice', rather than the way he spoke about women in general, This is what I said : "I'm not disrespecting the rights of anyone for their personal fetishes, what I'm addressing is your seemingly total lack of respect for women as a whole"

This is what Klox said e.g. "She has an amazing body, but her face looks creepy as shit." or "And I am serious when I say I would screw this chick despite her face."

I too thought that woman was ugly and I wouldn't want to have sex with her myself personally, but I still showed some respect and tolerance, both for the OP and for such women.


That you thought that woman was ugly and you wouldn't want to have sex with her yourself, is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. You did not go on to say "She has an amazing body, but her face looks creepy as shit." or "And I am serious when I say I would screw this chick despite her face." as Klox did, and is the part of his post that offended me.
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Hi dpw, I did take the time to read and 'understand' your original post however in my opinion, your post was ambiguous and I took it to have the opposite meaning to what you intended. My apologies.

However, you are incorrect in assuming my disgust is based solely on the fact the post is about a woman, and yes, i would be quick to protest if it was about a 'grotesque' guy with a 12" cock.

Why would you quote only BDSM stories where many women have the same feelings towards men? That could apply to any category of story.

True, it's in most of the categories, it's the bit I don't like. Old romantic fool that I am, lol.
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That you thought that woman was ugly and you wouldn't want to have sex with her yourself, is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. You did not go on to say "She has an amazing body, but her face looks creepy as shit." or "And I am serious when I say I would screw this chick despite her face." as Klox did, and is the part of his post that offended me.



Be careful, apparently saying something offensive offended you is some terrible crime here.
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Be careful, apparently saying something offensive offended you is some terrible crime here.


I know, I momentarily forgot. Thanks.
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Be careful, apparently saying something offensive offended you is some terrible crime here.

You seem to have a bad persecution complex, I would have been more careful with my posts had I known about it!
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You seem to have a bad persecution complex, I would have been more careful with my posts had I known about it!


I don't have a persecution complex, but your constantly saying so makes it look like you have an uncontrollable need to slap a label on people. Now stop with the crack psychiatry, it's getting old.
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For the record, butterfaces are not necessarily disfigured like the woman in the OP. The term simply defines a woman with an above than average body who also has an average/mediocre face. This girl could be considered a butterface, to a degree :



The term also comes from 'but her face'. Everything looks good about that girl, butterface. It's not really derogatory to me, just not something you would say to a girl's face. Just like 'ugly' or 'fat'.


This just screams for a separate thread created by you... Perhaps titled:

SereneProdigy's 1-10 scale: In Pictures

Where you post your own personal preferences of babes to butterfaces to ugly hides. I'd like to see 3 examples of each...

Do you have zeros, minuses or elevens/twelves on your scaling?

This young woman owns a mediocre facial appearance in your world, eh?

-wow-
The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.
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I don't have a persecution complex, but your constantly saying so makes it look like you have an uncontrollable need to slap a label on people. Now stop with the crack psychiatry, it's getting old.

Just saying it how I see it or are you against free speech on all threads?
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So....What part of her face is not attractive exactly???

Maybe I need to zoom in and examine the pixels...?
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Just saying it how I see it or are you against free speech on all threads?


I'm not having another pointless discussion with you, why are my comments so fascinating to you? I pointed out something to someone else which had nothing to do with you. This is now me ignoring you, have fun running around with your little label maker.
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For the record, butterfaces are not necessarily disfigured like the woman in the OP. The term simply defines a woman with an above than average body who also has an average/mediocre face. This girl could be considered a butterface, to a degree :



The term also comes from 'but her face'. Everything looks good about that girl, butterface. It's not really derogatory to me, just not something you would say to a girl's face. Just like 'ugly' or 'fat'.


Another thing.. please define 'could be considered a butterface 'to a degree'. She either is or isn't right?

"it's not really a derogatory term, just not something you would say to a girls face." What is the reason you wouldn't say it to a girls face if it's not a derogatory term?
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I'm not having another pointless discussion with you, why are my comments so fascinating to you? I pointed out something to someone else which had nothing to do with you. This is now me ignoring you, have fun running around with your little label maker.

If you don't want a comment don't post send a pm. Your comment was obviously aimed at SP and me, why wouldn't I respond?
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That you thought that woman was ugly and you wouldn't want to have sex with her yourself, is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. You did not go on to say "She has an amazing body, but her face looks creepy as shit." or "And I am serious when I say I would screw this chick despite her face." as Klox did, and is the part of his post that offended me.


Well her face does look 'creepy as shit' in my honest opinion, and most probably in the opinion of a lot of others too. It surely also was the intention of the creators of this movie. In this case it's more a fact than a derogative opinion, which is sad but true. It doesn't mean that he'd treat her badly in real life, or that he'd make her feel bad about it.

And yes, he'd 'screw this chick despite her face'. What's so morally wrong about it? I screwed some girls despite that some were a little overweight, and despite that some didn't have an awesome face, yet I've never been called rotten, shitty or stinkingly disgusting.
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If you don't want a comment don't post send a pm. Your comment was obviously aimed at SP and me, why wouldn't I respond?


Now who has a persecution complex? Did I mention either of you? You're reading too much into something that has nothing to do with you.
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Now who has a persecution complex? Did I mention either of you? You're reading too much into something that has nothing to do with you.


Bollocks! Look when you posted, to whom and who were their posts directed at!
Another last, last, last post?
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This just screams for a separate thread created by you... Perhaps titled:

SereneProdigy's 1-10 scale: In Pictures

Where you post your own personal preferences of babes to butterfaces to ugly hides. I'd like to see 3 examples of each...

Do you have zeros, minuses or elevens/twelves on your scaling?

This young woman owns a mediocre facial appearance in your world, eh?


"The term simply defines a woman with an above than average body who also has an average/mediocre face. This girl could be considered a butterface, to a degree."

I agree it's not the best example of a butterface. I tried searching for a better one with different terms, but didn't want to invest too much time on this. I found some more 'obvious' examples (ones with memes under them), but I wanted to display a more common example. Still, this girl has a hot body with an average face.

I don't see every angle of her face and body, but from what is shown I'd rate her face 5/10 (average) and her body 9/10... if you're so curious about my scaling. So yes, quite a disparity between her face and body, at least for me.


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So....What part of her face is not attractive exactly???


For the most part her face looks very masculine. Hide everything aside from her face, and you could hardly tell if it was a male or female. The rest of her features are also very average, hence my rating of 5/10.
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Bollocks! Look when you posted, to whom and who were their posts directed at!
Another last, last, last post?


Like I said, you're reading too much into something that has nothing to do with you. And as for my last, last, last post, if a fly keeps buzzing at you after you've tried to ignore it, of course you're going to slap it. You're acting like a petulant child now and I'm going to ignore your little tantrum.
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This young woman owns a mediocre facial appearance in your world, eh?

-wow-


Yeah, with no make-up, bad beach lighting and non-prepped paparazzi shots, a lot of us would probably be in butterface territory according to this reference.

Apparently though, she did hear the calling and went under the knife for extensive surgeries. Obviously I have nothing against such choices, but I do think she looked way better in her 'before' face.



In general with this thread. Ugh. Maybe it was a badly worded OP, but the guy is talking about a fetish and what he's attracted to. What he's into. I know it's hard to imagine but a lot of guys just want to 'bang chicks' because of what they look like - whether those lusty urges are based on traditional beauty, a big juicy ass, a giant clit, a shemale, plus-sized weight or whatever. This guy is into disfigured faces. Who cares - it's just physical attraction. Not all sex is based on emotions and love. If he's into it and she's into it and they're having a good time, I don't see anything wrong with whatever put them both in that moment.

Some people might find this offensive because it's an obscure fetish, but assuming she is a willing participant - regardless of whether there is emotions/love/respect there - does it matter? You don't get those things with your average one-night stand either. Subs who crawl around on leashes for guys who punish them and force them to ask permission to use the bathroom and then sleep in a cage by their bed. That can be offensive to some too. But she's there and doing it because she wants to be. Maybe the disfigured girl just wants to have no-strings-attached sex. The guy that finds her a turn-on just wants to have sex too. It's actually not that different.

I do get that terms like 'butterface' and 'screwing chicks' might be offensive to older generations or conservative people, but that's just how a lot of younger guys talk when it comes to casual hook ups.
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I am a woman, proud one, independent and with all that comes to 21.century type of woman, but I didn't find Klox post offensive and I didn't find any degradation towards women. He didn't write in romantic tone his post, he was talking about his fetish. Weird one? for sure for me, but it keeps his thing going and why not.

edit:ha, DD beat me to it smile
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Well her face does look 'creepy as shit' in my honest opinion, and most probably in the opinion of a lot of others too. It surely also was the intention of the creators of this movie. In this case it's more a fact than a derogative opinion, which is sad but true. It doesn't mean that he'd treat her badly in real life, or that he'd make her feel bad about it.

And yes, he'd 'screw this chick despite her face'. What's so morally wrong about it? I screwed some girls despite that some were a little overweight, and despite that some didn't have an awesome face, yet I've never been called rotten, shitty or stinkingly disgusting.



You didn't quote all the parts of Klox's post that offended me. You just can't see the forest for the trees, as far as what I'm saying. "You screwed some girls despite that some were a little overweight, and despite that some didn't have an awesome face."

Are you saying that girls who are a 'little overweight' and didn't have an awesome face,",are not perfect, or up to your usual standard, but you screwed them anyway? Or that you did them some kind of favour by screwing them? I'd really like to know.
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Another thing.. please define 'could be considered a butterface 'to a degree'. She either is or isn't right?

"it's not really a derogatory term, just not something you would say to a girls face." What is the reason you wouldn't say it to a girls face if it's not a derogatory term?


She is a butterface. To a degree. In my opinion.

Derogatory : tending or intended to detract, disparage, or belittle ; intentionally offensive.

A term is not really 'derogatory' on it's own. The way it's used can be. If I simply say to my friends "This girl is nice, but she's a bit of a butterface in my opinion", that's not derogatory. If that girl is in front of me and I shout "Hey look everyone, it's that butterface again!", that's derogatory.

I wouldn't say anything bad in front of a girl because that's simply impolite. I don't say much bad things in their backs either, to be frank.
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I'd really like to know.


I'm sorry to say that I'll leave you on your appetite from now on, as I'm not really interested about debating semantics eternally.

I already stated my opinion, you expressed yours. People already have plenty of material to form an opinion about both of us and the OP.
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Now you guys have ruined butter for me

I'm going to have to start using margarine.
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Yeah, with no make-up, bad beach lighting and non-prepped paparazzi shots, a lot of us would probably be in butterface territory according to this reference.

Apparently though, she did hear the calling and went under the knife for extensive surgeries. Obviously I have nothing against such choices, but I do think she looked way better in her 'before' face.


LOL, I had no idea this girl was a model or anything, I thought it simply was a random bikini shot. I agree that she looks way better in the before picture that you posted, in every regard.

I browsed some of her pictures, but it was like looking at a hundred different girls since she had so many surgeries. Her face was still quite average in a lot of them though. So yes, butterface for me, to a degree.

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The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.
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This girl is nice, but she's a bit of a butterface in my opinion", that's not derogatory.


How is this not derogatory? At it's very best it can be seen and a "Neg" (a back handed compliment, or incidental insult, used by certain pickup artists to build attraction, with girls that are metaphorically standing on pedistals in the looks department). To me, it's not a nice thing to say about somebody, and it's certainly not something i'd say to a girls face, in public, or to people who were not close friends. And even then, I wouldn't say "butterface", I'd say "She's got a great body, but I'm not attracted to her looks."

Butterface sounds fucking ridiculous.

It sounds exactly like lads banter, when you all sit around bragging about your conquests or degrading women, this is the exactly the sort of thing I'd expect to hear in the changing rooms before a game of football.

Just because it could be seen as true, opinion wise, doesn't mean it isn't derogatory. There are thousands of fat people in the world, we know that, society knows that, fat people know that. But to actually go and call them fat, is detrogatory.

It's just not acceptable.