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Your "what is obvious" radar is broken.

I have to agree, based on the "I was clearly using sarcasm but you didn't pick up on it" exchange from last week.

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Don't write "Keep that illusion; keep it warm and cherish it as long as it works out" and then point fingers at other people for coming across as arrogant, especially when you're wrong.

tell me where I am wrong.

And I maybe should add why I am in this thread in the first place.

I was going to make a similar posting as Racoonteur. (I don't see AI as the problem, because most bad players use real pictures of some random OF girls, not AI.)

And there is some problem with judging them, because not using the picture of your own gov. ID is not really an unusual thing.

So there is the probability that some new user is using an OF girl because s/he doesn't want a real picture and likes the OF girl's looks. (Innocent until guilt is proven)

But man, there are sooooo many of them bad ones that it gets annoying.

If people get too annoyed, they leave.

If there are not enough "real" ones (I don't know a better phrase for us) left, even the stubborn like me will go away.

Let the scammers scam themselves.

I do not really know how to handle that issue for myself.

I do not like blocking people; it even does not remove them from my view.

I know I can hide them, but that creates more problems than it solves.

This discussion has existed for as long as this site has existed. If you click through to past posts and threads in just about any section of the forums, you will find multiple iterations of this conversation, spanning nearly two decades.

Before AI, there was passing off pics of porn stars (or outright pretending to be said porn stars), photoshop, etc. There have been suggestions from wanting threads exposing such profiles to banning accounts who do this, to wanting to make catfishing against the rules.

Regardless of how often this conversation is rehashed, this is the sticking point: This is a site that centers fantasy and sex. As such, people come here and present themselves in any way they choose, be it honestly or dishonestly. Barring scamming/spamming, the site has no obligation to intervene because people have every right to lie about who they are on the internet. As unsettling as that is to to say and accept, it's the reality.

While as a site we have some measures in place that make it somewhat more difficult to be deceitful, these measures are optional, and therefore the onus is on the individual to govern themselves accordingly in light of the fact that people on the internet are not always who they say they are.

Quote by Dani

This discussion has existed for as long as this site has existed. If you click through to past posts and threads in just about any section of the forums, you will find multiple iterations of this conversation, spanning nearly two decades.

Before AI, there was passing off pics of porn stars (or outright pretending to be said porn stars), photoshop, etc. There have been suggestions from wanting threads exposing such profiles to banning accounts who do this, to wanting to make catfishing against the rules.

Regardless of how often this conversation is rehashed, this is the sticking point: This is a site that centers fantasy and sex. As such, people come here and present themselves in any way they choose, be it honestly or dishonestly. Barring scamming/spamming, the site has no obligation to intervene because people have every right to lie about who they are on the internet. As unsettling as that is to to say and accept, it's the reality.

While as a site we have some measures in place that make it somewhat more difficult to be deceitful, these measures are optional, and therefore the onus is on the individual to govern themselves accordingly in light of the fact that people on the internet are not always who they say they are.

There's no such thing as "the right to lie." People have the ability to lie, and the opportunity to lie, but there is no universally acknowledged "right to lie." That said, there is no "right to be treated honestly," either. One can expect, or hope to be treated honestly, but there is no universal "right" to be treated honestly.

This site's approach to dishonesty and deception can either open the door to both or serve to limit the amount of both. While there may or may not be any legal ramifications, the degree to which they strive to protect their patronage still reflects on them. I think a healthy, ongoing discussion of the matter is important, even if it was held decades ago (especially if it was held decades ago)

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There's no such thing as "the right to lie."

Yes there is, LOL. I don't mean "right" in a moral sense. I mean right as in a basic tenet of free will (and free speech). Your discomfort with that fact doesn't make it any less so.

This site's approach to dishonesty and deception can either open the door to both or serve to limit the amount of both. While there may or may not be any legal ramifications, the degree to which they strive to protect their patronage still reflects on them.

I concur. However, there is more to protecting our patronage than making sure someone doesn't fall for someone else's deception. In today's very uncertain digital age, privacy is everything. We choose everyone else's privacy over anyone's lack of internet savvy. I'll reiterate that when it comes to someone pretending to be someone they aren't for shits and giggles, we intervene when necessary, which is in the context of scamming and spamming. Beyond that, we make it quite clear that folks proceed with caution.

Any measures beyond the ones we currently use encroach on the privacy of others in ways that don't align with the values of this site. If those are unsatisfactory and we lose membership because we've elected to prioritize the right to privacy, then we accept that.

I think a healthy, ongoing discussion of the matter is important, even if it was held decades ago (especially if it was held decades ago)

I didn't say the conversation was "held decades ago." I said that this has been an ongoing conversation for decades. You approached this subject as if you, yourself were the originator of this "ongoing" discussion. It's been going on for quite a while. It has yet to progress beyond the desire for us to violate others' privacy in the name of making sure someone doesn't lust and/or develop feelings for someone who isn't who they say they are. I look forward to the day it does, but judging from the way you've conducted yourself in this conversation thus far, today is not that day.

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I didn't say the conversation was "held decades ago." I said that this has been an ongoing conversation for decades. You approached this subject as if you, yourself were the originator of this "ongoing" discussion. It's been going on for quite a while. It has yet to progress beyond the desire for us to violate others' privacy in the name of making sure someone doesn't lust and/or develop feelings for someone who isn't who they say they are. I look forward to the day it does, but judging from the way you've conducted yourself in this conversation thus far, today is not that day.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "judging from the way you've conducted this conversation thus far, today is not that day."

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I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "judging from the way you've conducted this conversation thus far, today is not that day."

Well I’m happy to clarify!

I stated in my earlier comment that this conversation hasn’t progressed beyond wanting the site to compromise its members’ privacy in a bid to mitigate folks’ personal responsibility to be savvy enough not get duped by internet strangers. Your comments thus far have been in alignment with the site assuming that responsibility, which compromises said privacy.

You also spoke to us needing to be “more proactive,” and we highlighted that we are indeed proactive in this regard, which was more or less disregarded by you.

Overall it seems like you’re not interested in a solution outside of us being more overreaching than folks generally have a right for us to be.

While I understand that you may mean well, this doesn’t appear to be as good faith of a conversation as you’ve presented.

Does anyone think that my profile person is really me? Or even a real person? It seems obviously AI to me.

I mean, I am an old white guy with gray hair and glasses, but that picture doesn’t look like the real me. Like, at all.

Quote by Dani

Well I’m happy to clarify!

I stated in my earlier comment that this conversation hasn’t progressed beyond wanting the site to compromise its members’ privacy in a bid to mitigate folks’ personal responsibility to be savvy enough not get duped by internet strangers. Your comments thus far have been in alignment with the site assuming that responsibility, which compromises said privacy.

You also spoke to us needing to be “more proactive,” and we highlighted that we are indeed proactive in this regard, which was more or less disregarded by you.

Overall it seems like you’re not interested in a solution outside of us being more overreaching than folks generally have a right for us to be.

While I understand that you may mean well, this doesn’t appear to be as good faith of a conversation as you’ve presented.

You do realize that I haven't responded to this thread in over a month, don't you?

I have no interest in having this turn into any kind of flame-fest. If you're offended, I apologize. If you go back, you'll see that my original goal is to introduce a discussion that I didn't see on the forum. If you say it was ongoing, it wasn't lately. I felt it would be helpful to have it as an active and friendly discussion and so far it's been. I suggest we keep it that way.

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Does anyone think that my profile person is really me? Or even a real person? It seems obviously AI to me.

I mean, I am an old white guy with gray hair and glasses, but that picture doesn’t look like the real me. Like, at all.

I'm talking about a more extensive misrepresentation. It's out there. I'm not a raccoon either. 😉

Quote by Racoonteur

You do realize that I haven't responded to this thread in over a month, don't you?

I have no interest in having this turn into any kind of flame-fest. If you're offended, I apologize. If you go back, you'll see that my original goal is to introduce a discussion that I didn't see on the forum. If you say it was ongoing, it wasn't lately. I felt it would be helpful to have it as an active and friendly discussion and so far it's been. I suggest we keep it that way.

Why is the time since your last response relevant? Especially since you’ve been actively responding to me today? You said you wanted an ongoing conversation, well here we are. And I’m not offended, as it takes quite a bit to upset my sensibilities.

You seem to be conflating “active and friendly conversation” with “echo chamber.”

I’ll do you a favor and disregard your incredibly condescending “I suggest we keep it that way.” If I desire such suggestions moving forward, I’ll ask for them directly.

Cheers.

Quote by Dani

Why is the time since your last response relevant? Especially since you’ve been actively responding to me today? You said you wanted an ongoing conversation, well here we are. And I’m not offended, as it takes quite a bit to upset my sensibilities.

You seem to be conflating “active and friendly conversation” with “echo chamber.”

I’ll do you a favor and disregard your incredibly condescending “I suggest we keep it that way.” If I desire such suggestions moving forward, I’ll ask for them directly.

Cheers.

Contrary to what you claim, you seem quite upset.
I don't know how I can be "conducting this thread," if I haven't participated in it in a month.
I'm not going to engage. This thread has been moving along exactly the way I'd hoped, with some good back-and-forth discussion. I'd hate to see it derailed, especially by a mod with an attitude.

Goodbye.

Quote by Racoonteur

Contrary to what you claim, you seem quite upset.
I don't know how I can be "conducting this thread," if I haven't participated in it in a month.
I'm not going to engage. This thread has been moving along exactly the way I'd hoped, with some good back-and-forth discussion. I'd hate to see it derailed, especially by a mod with an attitude.

Goodbye.

LMAOOOOO. “Mod with an attitude.” I like it.

I’m not upset. I’m just like this. You derailed your own thread with your feelings about my perspective.

Anyways goodbye. I’m so sorry that my opposing viewpoints disrupted this “ongoing conversation” you started…and now seem adamant about ending. LOL.

Quote by Dani

LMAOOOOO. “Mod with an attitude.” I like it.

I’m not upset. I’m just like this. You derailed your own thread with your feelings about my perspective.

Anyways goodbye. I’m so sorry that my opposing viewpoints disrupted this “ongoing conversation” you started…and now seem adamant about ending. LOL.

I'm not a mod and never will be, but if you ever get any T-shirts with 'mod with attitude' on them made, I think I'd buy one! High praise indeed. Keep on modding, keep on 'attituding'...I might have made that word up! ❤️

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I'm not a mod and never will be, but if you ever get any T-shirts with 'mod with attitude' on them made, I think I'd buy one! High praise indeed. Keep on modding, keep on 'attituding'...I might have made that word up! ❤️

I know a guy who makes shirts... 😉🤣

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LMAOOOOO. “Mod with an attitude.” I like it.

I’m not upset. I’m just like this. You derailed your own thread with your feelings about my perspective.

Anyways goodbye. I’m so sorry that my opposing viewpoints disrupted this “ongoing conversation” you started…and now seem adamant about ending. LOL.

You can try to reframe reality all you want, but it doesn't change what you're really doing here.

It wasn't your "viewpoint," it was your personal attack. You took a frank and open discussion and made it personal.

And yes, you are upset, you can deny it all you want, but coming in all Rambo then saying "I'm just like this" is, and always has been a complete cop out for owning your own shit... and you have lots of it.

I'm not at all interested in ending this conversation. I'm just done wasting time with you.

You can go ahead and reframe how you just came to make a contribution, but it's clearly evident what you're doing. Talking shit and blaming others.

Quote by Racoonteur

You can try to reframe reality all you want, but it doesn't change what you're really doing here.

It wasn't your "viewpoint," it was your personal attack. You took a frank and open discussion and made it personal.

And yes, you are upset, you can deny it all you want, but coming in all Rambo then saying "I'm just like this" is, and always has been a complete cop out for owning your own shit... and you have lots of it.

I'm not at all interested in ending this conversation. I'm just done wasting time with you.

You can go ahead and reframe how you just came to make a contribution, but it's clearly evident what you're doing. Talking shit and blaming others.

Shit talking is my default setting. But who have I blamed? Where have I placed responsibility where it didn’t belong?

It seems to mean a lot to you to believe that I’m attacking you simply because I’ve very directly expressed my belief regarding your intentions and disagreed with your perspective. In fact, the only time our conversations have veered off course is when you’ve interjected how offended you are that I had the audacity to tell you what I think.

In that regard, you’ve assigned me emotions that don’t belong to me, and have made multiple attempts now to discredit my perspective. However, in all of your indignation, you have yet to tell me I’m wrong. You have yet to deny that your desire in broaching this subject was to get others to agree that you want us to encroach on others’ privacy to assume responsibility and prevent folks’ naïveté in being fooled by internet pretenders.

That’s because you can’t. That’s why all of your responses to me have defaulted to “You’re a meanie face who’s here to say mean things and I’m not gonna talk to you no more.” It’s also why you’re trying to convince me that I’m the one that’s upset, because you have no other means of invalidating my perspective so you’re grasping at straws. By the way, even if I was/am upset or otherwise having an emotional response, it still wouldn’t somehow magically make me wrong.

I assure you there’s nothing you can tell me about me that I don’t know, unless it’s inaccurate. I know I’m abrasive in my directness, and I’ve always owned that about myself. That doesn’t mean you get to decide who engages with you in this space, or how they engage. That’s not how “ongoing conversations” in public forums work, sweet pea.

Quote by JustForYou

I'm not a mod and never will be, but if you ever get any T-shirts with 'mod with attitude' on them made, I think I'd buy one! High praise indeed. Keep on modding, keep on 'attituding'...I might have made that word up! ❤️

You never know. They’ve kept me as a mod all these years, so the standards can’t be too high. 😉

Regarding the rest, you really shouldn’t encourage me like this. I cause enough trouble as-is, but I appreciate the kind words nonetheless.♥️

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Shit talking is my default setting. But who have I blamed? Where have I placed responsibility where it didn’t belong?

It seems to mean a lot to you to believe that I’m attacking you simply because I’ve very directly expressed my belief regarding your intentions and disagreed with your perspective. In fact, the only time our conversations have veered off course is when you’ve interjected how offended you are that I had the audacity to tell you what I think.

In that regard, you’ve assigned me emotions that don’t belong to me, and have made multiple attempts now to discredit my perspective. However, in all of your indignation, you have yet to tell me I’m wrong. You have yet to deny that your desire in broaching this subject was to get others to agree that you want us to encroach on others’ privacy to assume responsibility and prevent folks’ naïveté in being fooled by internet pretenders.

That’s because you can’t. That’s why all of your responses to me have defaulted to “You’re a meanie face who’s here to say mean things and I’m not gonna talk to you no more.” It’s also why you’re trying to convince me that I’m the one that’s upset, because you have no other means of invalidating my perspective so you’re grasping at straws. By the way, even if I was/am upset or otherwise having an emotional response, it still wouldn’t somehow magically make me wrong.

I assure you there’s nothing you can tell me about me that I don’t know, unless it’s inaccurate. I know I’m abrasive in my directness, and I’ve always owned that about myself. That doesn’t mean you get to decide who engages with you in this space, or how they engage. That’s not how “ongoing conversations” in public forums work, sweet pea.

Wow! And, you're a mod? Stirring shit like this on what was a pretty decent thread until you decided to blow it up?

And, you do this all the time? And you're proud of it?

I hope the thread survives, as it was really intended as something that would promote a healthy discourse until the child arrived. If it doesn't, that's too bad. I hope the admins will take a close look at what and who ended what was intended to be a helpful and discerning conversation.

Quote by Racoonteur

Wow! And, you're a mod? Stirring shit like this on what was a pretty decent thread until you decided to blow it up?

And, you do this all the time? And you're proud of it?

I hope the thread survives, as it was really intended as something that would promote a healthy discourse until the child arrived. If it doesn't, that's too bad. I hope the admins will take a close look at what and who ended what was intended to be a helpful and discerning conversation.

Just as I thought. More meandering nonsense and no denial of my assessment of your intentions. Yawn.

And to answer your question, I’m quite proud of and content with who I am and how I conduct myself, for better AND for worse.

Quote by Racoonteur

So I've seen this happening on a regular basis here and elsewhere.

I have never hid the fact that pictures of me are AI rendered.

I don't need real photos of me and my body mods being used by some scammer.

Plus I make it clear I don't ask for pictures, nor do I want them.

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I have never hid the faxt that pictures of me are AI rendered.

Sad that an atmosphere has been created that makes you feel such statements are necessary.

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Sad that an atmosphere has been created that makes you feel such statements are necessary.

It is sad indeed.
My whole point was that there are those who do pass AI and "borrowed" pics as themselves and there are people who believe them.
A good healthy discussion on the matter may be helpful to those who aren't watching as closely and could prevent some real problems for them down the line. Right?

The fact that those who use AI and identify it as such are indeed thoughtful. No one says they have to do that.