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Quote by Dani
I agree that we walk a fine line with where the rights of one group begins and the line for another ends. But religious freedom shouldn't be used as an excuse for discrimination. Religious freedom gives you the right to worship any god you choose, or no god at all. It also keeps someone from forcing you to worship their god or no god at all. It does not give you freedom to violate basic human rights of an individual because your religion says you can.


This!

Religious freedom is both freedom of religion and freedom from religion.


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Last Rant: "GOD IS LOVE!" Well, WE ALL KNOW WHAT LOVE IS, YEAH? And I'm DOWN WITH THE GOD IS LOVE THING!!! But... ONE FAVOR? Don't DEFINE 'love' for ME or anyone else, yeah? Love who you WANT! Allow ME AND MINE the same right. LOVE is individual IN EVERY INSTANCE, each as VALID AND REAL as ANY OTHER LOVE!!! So, DO NOT TELL ME THAT My LOVE doesn't FIT WITH your idea of love... You know the only OTHER group of people who hold that view? FUCKING STALKERS!!! (And WE KNOW those poor fuckers are Mentally Ill!!!)


LOL, did anyone here say "God is love!"?


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LOL, did anyone here say "God is love!"?


Well, you're RIGHT!!!

Nobody SAID THAT HERE!!!

(But it's what those fuckers always say!!! 'God Is Love!!!' By which we mean MY GOD!!! AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WE'LL KILL YOU!!!)

Allah and Yeshua are BEST FRIENDS in THE KORAN, for example... (Try floating THAT FUCKING IDEA in SYRIA right now...)

xx SF

(It's all BOLLOX!)
Quote by sprite
a few thoughts. Christians, in this country, have had rights for roughly 250 years. gays have had equivalent rights for, roughly, 6 months. can't really remember the last time i read about an actual hate crime vs someone because they were christian, while i recall, vividly, the hate crimes committed against lgbtq folk. forgive me if don't show a lot of sympathy - btw, i was raised christian - i left when i realized i wasn't welcome.


I profess Christ as Savior and Lord - I am a Christian. That said, I also believe that there are no "good" Christians. None of us get it right. The Bible is God's Word for all of us - a guide for living, a light towards eternity in heaven with Him, and so much more - and we invariably get it wrong. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Am I ok having friends who are LGBT..? Yes. Can I love them? Yes. Do I recognize that they don't have it right either, that they are sinful and in need of God's salvation? Yes. My daily goal is to love my God with my whole heart, spirit, mind and strength and to love my neighbor as I love myself. And, I inevitably fail. On behalf of all Christians, I would offer an apology to all members of the LGBT community who believe they have been persecuted by Christians. Peace.
I am sorry that you all had to take such a stance and attack me for calling for understanding and acceptance form BOTH sides and have decided that this all about just being gay.
I have not attacked anyone for being what they are but you all chose to believe that I have. I will have nothing more to do with this... 'discussion'!
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I am sorry that you all had to take such a stance and attack me for calling for understanding and acceptance form BOTH sides and have decided that this all about just being gay.
I have not attacked anyone for being what they are but you all chose to believe that I have. I will have nothing more to do with this... 'discussion'!


You weren't attacked. Your opinions were disputed.

There's a difference between the two.

And indeed, it does go beyond just being gay. But in your first post in this thread, you posed the question "When will homosexuals be more accepting of Christian beliefs?"

If it were about more than being gay, then why single out homosexuals as if they're the only group of people who reject Christian beliefs? I understand that this thread is about homosexuals being accepted by Christians and you asked your question in that regard. But don't ask about when homosexuals will be more accepting of Christian beliefs and then turn around and say that you're being attacked because 'we all' have decided that this is all about being gay.

I haven't even mentioned the fact that there's a large number of homosexuals who identify as Christian. Strike that. I just did.

Being homosexual and being a Christian aren't mutually exclusive. But I digress.

Again, you weren't attacked. Your opinions were disputed. It's our prerogative to dispute others' opinions, as it's your prerogative to bow out of this discussion in the face of your opinions being disputed.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


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I am sorry that you all had to take such a stance and attack me for calling for understanding and acceptance form BOTH sides and have decided that this all about just being gay.
I have not attacked anyone for being what they are but you all chose to believe that I have. I will have nothing more to do with this... 'discussion'!



Anna, are you seriously taking this so personally? You didn't honestly think that you could post such a contorversial comment and have people not respond. In the beginning of this conversationl there was actually someone that was somewhat defending your stance.

If you had responded in a conversational tone, and not become (what seemed) so emotional, you quite possibley would have had others speak up that share your take on the subject. Nobody, least of all me, thought of you as ANYTHING but gay friendly. And although you do find women sexually attractive, you obviously are completely out of touch with what it is to be gay.

I'm sorry for the elderly couple if what you say is true; and they made it clear upon booking that no unmarried or same sex people may share a single bed. Grow up.

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LOL! Dani, apparently great minds think alike ;-)

I have three famous stories, 2 recommended reads and have come in the top ten in two competitions~ Come in and make yourself at home.

Christian groups more accepting of homosexuals? Absolutely not.

I have lost four friends I have known for years because I support gay marriage. It's about who you are happy with. Regardless of what the Bible says, it's God's decision who to judge or cast out. Not people on this planet or in this world. And ironic, and not unpredictable, all four "friends" are self-proclaimed Christians. Hypocrites, two-faced back-stabbing liars, and fakes. They proclaim to be Christians (the Bible says, "thou shalt not judge") but yet they do just that.

Christian groups as a whole don't accept homosexuals. They want you to live their life. It's the do as I say not as I do style of living. Most Christians I know fuck around, cheat, lie, and do sinful things on a minute by minute and day by day basis. But you get them anywhere other Christians, you'd think they were cut from the cloth.

They won't accept homosexuals. Because THEY don't agree with it based on their Bible. There many be a few that do. But the number is few and far between and quite rare.
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Christian groups more accepting of homosexuals? Absolutely not.

I have lost four friends I have known for years because I support gay marriage. It's about who you are happy with. Regardless of what the Bible says, it's God's decision who to judge or cast out. Not people on this planet or in this world. And ironic, and not unpredictable, all four "friends" are self-proclaimed Christians. Hypocrites, two-faced back-stabbing liars, and fakes. They proclaim to be Christians (the Bible says, "thou shalt not judge") but yet they do just that.

Christian groups as a whole don't accept homosexuals. They want you to live their life. It's the do as I say not as I do style of living. Most Christians I know fuck around, cheat, lie, and do sinful things on a minute by minute and day by day basis. But you get them anywhere other Christians, you'd think they were cut from the cloth.

They won't accept homosexuals. Because THEY don't agree with it based on their Bible. There many be a few that do. But the number is few and far between and quite rare.




That's the real problem, isn't it? As I said before, "Religious Freedom" stinks of hypocricy. Yes, they have the right to feel however they want to feel. I've seen plenty of businesses that post signs that say "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", but I'd imagine that anyone denying homosexuals the right to have services rendered due to their 'faith' is just hiding behind their own fear and predjudice. I'm not a Christian. I am a spiritual pagan and my beliefs are totally different, but still about love and acceptance.
No one can grow if they keep hiding behind fear and suspician.

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In reference to the original post, I don't completely believe that Christians are 'now' more accepting of homosexuality and homosexuals than they were in the past.

I don't think much has changed in terms of opposition, acceptance, and indifference towards homosexuals.

For the most part, it's just no longer socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals, so people are becoming more vocal about their acceptance. And in turn, there are those who have become less vocal about their non-acceptance of homosexuals because that's being socialized away.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


Quote by Dani
In reference to the original post, I don't completely believe that Christians are 'now' more accepting of homosexuality and homosexuals than they were in the past.

I don't think much has changed in terms of opposition, acceptance, and indifference towards homosexuals.

For the most part, it's just no longer socially acceptable to discriminate against homosexuals, so people are becoming more vocal about their acceptance. And in turn, there are those who have become less vocal about their non-acceptance of homosexuals because that's being socialized away.



first off, to be fair, there is no way of telling who is Christian and who is not without asking or checking out other obvious signs (they're wearing a t-shirt that says "Jesus Rocks").

that said, my wife and i often tone down any obvious pds (which includes such simple things as holding hands or a quick kiss) depending upon the enviornment - yes, there are still places where the risk of offending someone doesn't seem worth it. *shrugs* it's gotten better, but that is the reality of it - it's mostly older generation that concern us - the younger generations seem less concerned by our sexuality in my observations.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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This is not a dig at anyone as I believe that everyone has right to be whoever they are or wish to be but not at the expense of others.
Traditional London buses were taken out of service because they were not accessible to disabled people even though there were plenty of others (on the same route) that were.
It seems that all minority groups want to force their rights on everyone and in the end, everyone loses.
I know of a coffee shop where the only toilet is a disabled one and able bodied people are not allowed to use it.


Re-reading this post I feel I missed something I really wanted to touch on.
1. This is not a dig at anyone as I believe that everyone has right to be whoever they are or wish to be but not at the expense of others. - Except apparantly the gay community, who by the way, has been expected to keep quiet and live a lie; at the expectation of others


2. Traditional London buses were taken out of service because they were not accessible to disabled people even though there were plenty of others (on the same route) that were.-The American Disabilty Act enforced these laws years ago. Everyone, including the disabled, should be able to get on any bus that anyone else can. By the way, I've been to London, and I was astounded at how many public restrooms were totally unaccessable to the handi-capped.

3. I know of a coffee shop where the only toilet is a disabled one and able bodied people are not allowed to use it.Without more information I can't comment about the coffee shop toilets. However, as I mentioned in the comment above, could it be that the owner of the coffee shop has a disabled family member and is sensitive to their needs? I'm not defending that, however. Bathrooms should be made available to all paying customers, unless they have none at all.


Sorry, I felt that needed addressing. I am NOT attacking you. I am responding to you.

I have three famous stories, 2 recommended reads and have come in the top ten in two competitions~ Come in and make yourself at home.

It really depends on the denomination. I think if I were a homosexual I'd have a better chance than as a hot wife. I think they'd brand me with an "A" on my forehead.
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It really depends on the denomination. I think if I were a hompsexual I'd have a better chance than as a hot wife. I think they'd brand me with an "A" on my forehead.






You must be Baptist, lol! I know what you mean though. People can be very judgemental. But I'll bet those very people have skeletons in their closets that they wouldn't want anyone to know about. We're all human and it's really impossible to live up to the expectations of others...

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..., my wife and i often tone down any obvious pds (which includes such simple things as holding hands or a quick kiss) depending upon the enviornment ...


May I ask what pds stands for? I assume it's not 'Paintball Detection System' nor 'Precission Drill Squad' (the latter could be story title or a group name here).

Edit: I got those two from http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PDS


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May I ask what pds stands for? I assume it's not 'Paintball Detection System' nor 'Precission Drill Squad' (the latter could be story title or a group name here).

Edit: I got those two from http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PDS


public displays (of affection).

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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public displays (of affection).


Clear, thx.


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Quite interesting reading catching up on all the posts here - thank you for everyone's thoughts.

"Tolerance" or better "acceptance" or "welcomed" - no matter what the "difference" or "attribute" is - be it ones sexuality, race, religion, sports team, etc... I added that last one because amazingly there are instances of beatings (some to death) over a sports team - if there is shit like that happening, how can we dream to see "real" stuff like race or sexuality ever be universally accepted or welcomed.

I guess I can understand to a certain point being intolerant or accepting etc... I've seen documentaries on the KKK showing toddlers already showing racist behavior simply based on what they've been surrounded by. And certainly thinking back to school year days... anyone getting called a "homo" was an attack on your man/boyhood - even if the term was being used in a non-sexual way. The societal norm is "don't be a homo" - I can only imagine what it's like for someone in their adolescence years realizing they are gay... having been surrounded by so much anti-gay slurs.

Not sure if I am digressing as much as digesting. I suggest with each generation it's gotten better - and maybe in say... 2 or 3? more generations it will be far more accepted - maybe even welcomed (no scratch that... accepted is probably a more realistic goal).

As I stated previously, I came to realize my bisexuality later in life - and there is really only one non-online person in my life who knows about it (and has not accepted it...). Just a few weeks ago - out with a group of long time friends - just chatting about all sorts of stuff - come to find out one guy who I've known well for years - always thought of him as a great guy... the conversation got into "have you ever gotten arrested" - and he shared he did years ago (like ~20) for beating up a gay guy who hit on him at a bar. As he told the story he said something like "it's ok if they are gay just don't be it near me...". Someone then said something in jest like "that's not very politically correct of you..." - all I said... was "well that's just not right" - but not in a bold way just more of a passing comment as then the conversation moved on to other topics... Chicken shit me - yes - I just left it at that...

So... back to my OP - the survey I referenced does in a very small way offer some positive feelings - and again, thank you for everyone's thoughtful responses.
Quote by Annamagique
It does please me that Christian groups are becoming more accepting of homosexuals but I do have one concern. When will homosexuals become more accepting of Christian beliefs.
As an example, two homosexuals who sued a small Christian hotel and destroyed their business and took away their income. Could they not just have accepted their beliefs in the way that they wanted to be accepted for their own and use a different hotel?
This is not a dig at anyone as I believe that everyone has right to be whoever they are or wish to be but not at the expense of others.
Traditional London buses were taken out of service because they were not accessible to disabled people even though there were plenty of others (on the same route) that were.
It seems that all minority groups want to force their rights on everyone and in the end, everyone loses.
I know of a coffee shop where the only toilet is a disabled one and able bodied people are not allowed to use it.
I hope no-one is offended by this as that is not my intention but these things work both ways whether it be Race, Creed or ability.