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I just noticed that many tags on my stories, both old and recent, have been changed or deleted. Although some of the changes are tolerable, others are not.

For example, the tag " fantasy mother/daughter" was put on a story without any or mother/daughter sex. My tag "mother and daughter" (perhaps subject to misinterpretation) was because the protagonist had sex (on different occasions) with both a woman and her mother.

In multiple stories, the tag "BBW" was changed to "BBW Big Black Woman". The standard interpretation of BBW is "Big Beautiful Woman" and I don't mention race in my stories.

My most recent story, which featured a rejected marriage proposal, had "marriage proposal" changed to "marriage" as well as "unhappy ending" shortened to "ending". My previous story had "sex puzzles" and "sex positions" deleted, replaced with the presumably always superfluous "sex".

Was there an announcement about a change to the tag scheme?

Should I go back and edit all the spurious tags and add back the important ones that were deleted?

The tag list went through a major clean-up recently. See this thread

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What kistin said.

I merged and split tags to the best of my knowledge.

And yes on the "going back and editing". Please don't create too many new ones, particularly not misspelled ones, or I'll come into your life and make your pets love me more than they love you. That's a promise. I've done it before. 😈

Add a note to the mods saying that you only fixed the tags, so re-approval will be swift.

Doesn't seem to have affected my stories much but I tend to go rather minimal with my tags. Which is odd given I am a professional librarian (by training, I don't work in libraries any more) and we usually index the hell out of everything. 😀

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Tags are author-created content and should have been respected as such.

I fully support mods evaluating, fixing, or rejecting tags on stories that they are reviewing. They have the context to decide if they make sense. They approved all the tags on my stories when they were published.

Changing 72,000 published stories was risky and warranted more notice, discussion, and care. Correcting spelling or formatting inconsistencies may be harmless, but deleting adjectives or rephrasing tags without certainty of equivalence was a mistake. Whatever process generated the errors that I cited was flawed.

Almost 5,000 stories going back to 2006 now have the useless tag "sex". On a recent story of mine, the tags "escape room", "sex puzzles", and "sex positions" were removed. You probably know the gist of the story just from those tags. That information is now gone. Although I may be willing to spend the time to repair my stories, similar damage was done throughout the archive that won't be fixed.

Yep, "sex" is a useless tag. It should not exist except when augmented with other words. Nobody is going to search for that, and if they do, it'll return so many results as to be pointless. It's like sites that include "miscellaneous" as a category because nobody thought things through!

Taxonomy is difficult to get right and provide both meaningful choices to authors for selection, and meaningful results to story seekers.

Besides removing and merging misspelled tags, the reason for the slow, iterative tag progress since moving to Lush 2, was because I and other mods spent hours - and I'm talking hundreds and hundreds of hours - painstakingly going through the ones that had combinations, ensuring they were split into two or more separate tags and then reassigning those to any affected stories so the nuances of the terms weren't lost. It was a massive chore and I, for one, could only do a few hours at time without going bananas and/or losing the will to live.

Examples include standardising things like:

mother/daughter

mother+daughter

daughter and mother

daughter/mother

daughter,mother

mother,daughter

Etc etc

Into just one tag:

mother and daughter

Bearing in mind that there were misspellings like 'mther and duaghter', you can see this is a laborious process.

Further, any existing tag with tangentially related or circumstantial combos that would be better served by their own combinations to aid searchability were split into new tags like this:

mother/daughter threesome

-- threesome

-- mother and daughter

mother,daughter

--

-- mother and daughter

Daughter mother uncle cock sucker

-- mother and daughter

-- uncle

-- cocksucking

There are arguments for and against doing it this way, mostly subjective. Perhaps some people might prefer "uncle and daughter" to be a tag, and "mother" to be separate. We could accommodate both. We could even separate them all and you'd have to pick all three individually, but with only a maximum of 10 tags per story allowed, that eats into the allocation.

So, some popular combos make a lot of sense. But somewhere we need to draw the line so we don't get hundreds of similar tags that all have one story in them. That doesn't help authors assign them, nor does it help readers find them.

Compounding this is the fact that, at the moment, the tag search is only mono-tag. I would like (and I think this is on the development radar when the overall search facility is bolstered) the ability to search by more than one tag, and each time you add a tag, it filters the results to include stories with all of them featured. So you can add and remove tags to your search criteria to narrow or widen the search to find exactly the type of stories that you wish.

To do that, we need a meaningful taxonomy that uses broadly acceptable terms that the majority of people will search for. Not everybody thinks alike, so that takes time. A lot of time.

There's also no notion of synonyms in our tag system yet. In general, that is a vastly underused concept in site search systems across the web. I might search for 'blowjob'. And if I search for that term, I would want to see all stories with that tag show up first, because that's the word I used. But after those, I would like to also see stories that contain tags:

blow job

fellatio

cocksucking

cock sucking

bj

oral

oral sex

giving head

Okay, we might standardise on some of those and get rid of the two-term phrases in favour of single words (or vice versa) but the point is that if we could synonym words behind the scenes, tag searches suddenly explode with possibilities when doing multi-tag searches. Yes, result sets are larger overall, but if the results favour exact terms first and synonyms second, it a) opens up stories to people who haven't used the exact same term, and b) allows authors a richer set of tags to choose from, without overloading them. So, when assigning a tag, if you type 'fellatio' when assigning tags, it could offer the synonyms too, as you might prefer one of those.

There's a further notion that we should include (and somehow notify the system) of misspellings in the synonyms. So if someone mistypes 'masterbation' in their tag search, it will ignore the tag, since we've flagged it as a misspelled synonym, and instead search for 'masturbation'. Same when assigning tags: misspellings can be autocorrected by virtue of the "standard" spelling being the one assigned to the story. That really helps everyone - authors and readers - as it keeps the tag set down to a manageable level, while augmenting search results.

Have we lost a lot of this nuance in the recent tag cull? Sadly, yes. Quite how we reintroduce meaningful tags for stories from authors that have long since left is unknown.

All we can really do at this point, with the help of current authors checking their stories and massaging their own tags to reflect the content, is gradually start to rebuild the tag set upward; being mindful at all times that the end goal (alongside keyword matching improvements) might be multi-tag searchability from a semi-curated and sensibly-maintained pool of terms that we can hopefully one day expand to include synonyms and misspellings, to build a world class search facility at Lush.

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* 32 Editor's Picks, 84 Recommended Reads.
* 16 competition podium places, 12 other times in the top ten.
* 23 collaborations.
* A whole heap of often filthy, tense, hot sex.

Although I understand the issue, I completely disagree with the approach that destroyed so many author-specified labels. If there were some way to restore the tags, I would suggest how the goal could be accomplished without deleting so many and replacing them with meaningless ones. If the information is irretrievable, there's no point in discussing how it should have been done. I'll just weep in silence.

Going forward, one approach might be to increase the tag limit and remove all the combo tags, replacing them with discrete terms. Then, in tandem with multi-tag search, authors could just tag stories with things like mother, daughter, threesome, blowjob, and it could filter by all of them.

However, increasing the tag limit raises some knock-on design issues, and increases the potential for tag spam, which makes it more time consuming to maintain from an admin viewpoint. So I'm not sure how viable that is.

There is another avenue: significantly improve the general site search. If that could be made to consistently return more relevant results, then author-supplied tags become a secondary concern.

I know that search is one of the projects the dev team are working on (they're evaluating some new tools for indexing content) so maybe if this bears fruit, the loss of tag data might not be such a blow.

I still think tagging and multi-tag searches are a valuable tool, especially when combined with misspellings and synonyms, to allow readers to browse related content. But if the new indexer (which bills itself as typo-tolerant) delivers, then I'll gladly alter my stance on this.

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* 32 Editor's Picks, 84 Recommended Reads.
* 16 competition podium places, 12 other times in the top ten.
* 23 collaborations.
* A whole heap of often filthy, tense, hot sex.

I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't know tags were used like keywords for searches. I thought they just gave readers clues to story content. Also embarrassed to admit, I rarely used tags already defined, but liked to make up my own. 😳 I'm scared to look at my stories now. I promise to only use tags in supplied list from now on and bend over for my deserved spanking smackbottom

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I rarely used tags already defined, but liked to make up my own

Hehe, that's fine if they make sense to you and are something people might search for. But ilovesprite and so forth, while arguably true for many people here, are probably not conducive to helping people find relevant content based on what themes the story conveys.

Ultimately, we need a balance of tags that are meaningful and are assigned to a fair few stories so that people who browse for a niche tag or (perhaps in future) more than one tag, will find related works once they've enjoyed the current one. At one end of the scale, we have generic tags that contain 6K stories, and at the other end, daft made-up tags that are assigned uniquely to one story only. Neither tag extreme does readers any good. Somewhere in between is where good tagging fits. We should aim there.

If a tag or common tag combo doesn't exist, and it fits your story theme, by all means add it.

Over one million views on my stories can't be wrong, so please dive in and browse my 148 stories:


* 32 Editor's Picks, 84 Recommended Reads.
* 16 competition podium places, 12 other times in the top ten.
* 23 collaborations.
* A whole heap of often filthy, tense, hot sex.

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If a tag or common tag combo doesn't exist, and it fits your story theme, by all means add it.

Well, I see my "bat-shit crazy bitch" tag on one of my stories survived the tag cleanup. 🤣

And I will NOT add any tags. It's too much of a slippery slope for me... 😊

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Quote by KimmiBeGood

Well, I see my "bat-shit crazy bitch" tag on one of my stories survived the tag cleanup. 🤣

Always been one of my favorite ones biggrin

Quote by KimmiBeGood

Well, I see my "bat-shit crazy bitch" tag on one of my stories survived the tag cleanup. 🤣

And I will NOT add any tags. It's too much of a slippery slope for me... 😊

Damn, now I want to write a story that I can use that on. 😜

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