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The Subtle (and Annoying) STATIC TRAIT

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So I see! Well, I'm in good company. Love both of your work. smile
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Ok, at first read I thought it was interesting to know, to have a name, but really, it’s just a name for something I already do, right? So, I am writing a story (it’s slow going, because I’m taking my time and actually trying to apply some of the lessons you’ve been kind of enough to post here, and usually, I write fast, but I’m really enjoying taking my time with this one, and I think it’s going to be quite good because of it… I digress…)

so, anyways, I decide to name my characters static traits, and funny thing is? Once I have a name for them? Once I know? It becomes so easy to write a scene, using the knowledge of what drives them each time and wow, it’s amazing how I can just reference that in dialogue, in actions, in pushing the scene forward… and it's consistent as well!

Anyways, my way of saying thank you *hugs*

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so, anyways, I decide to name my characters static traits,


So, wait a minute...you decided to name your characters Static Traits?

Is that Mr. Static Traits, or Miss Static Traits???

I'm confused again...

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...so, anyways, I decide to name my characters static traits, and funny thing is? Once I have a name for them? Once I know? It becomes so easy to write a scene, using the knowledge of what drives them each time and wow, it’s amazing how I can just reference that in dialogue, in actions, in pushing the scene forward… and it's consistent as well!

Anyways, my way of saying thank you *hugs*


Ha-ha! You've just taken the step from 'talented' writer to become a 'skilled' writer. Congrats!

Talent is when you get it right Accidentally.
Skill is when you do it On Purpose.
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Without ever knowing why I was doing it or what it was called, but somehow instinctively knowing it needed to be there, I have a "habits" section in my character profile sheets. Now I'm going to be stuck thinking about this all day, trying to work it through in my head.


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To me this is all a bunch of contrived B.S. all my writing comes from personal experience, straight from the heart driven by pure inspiration. But that's just me lol


You could also say that a recipe is contrived, why not just throw your ingredients in the pan and add what you like? If the result tastes good, that's what's important, right? Only you'll never make a soufflé that way.

If you cook for a hobby, by all means chuck those ingredients around to your hearts content. Cooks follow recipes. Eventually you get to be a chef, and you understand the food so well you can adapt the recipe with skill to produce something exquisite and unique.
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If you cook for a hobby, by all means chuck those ingredients around to your hearts content. Cooks follow recipes. Eventually you get to be a chef, and you understand the food so well you can adapt the recipe with skill to produce something exquisite and unique.


Absolutely! Once the fundamentals are in place it's balls to the wall! Hell, I look back at my earlier work with acute horror. Not to say it was bad - rather, it was unstructured because I was ignorant of the formulas needed to convey my thoughts in a clear and concise manner. The fundies aren't meant to fence us in...they're a springboard.

Also, creating outlines help me avoid Traitville. Just spit-balling...
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....and there I was, worried that I may not learn anything new for today when, Lo the wise Morgan came to my rescue. Nice tip. Many thanks.
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Without ever knowing why I was doing it or what it was called, but somehow instinctively knowing it needed to be there, I have a "habits" section in my character profile sheets. Now I'm going to be stuck thinking about this all day, trying to work it through in my head.

Food for thought -- Literally!

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...just throw your ingredients in the pan and add what you like? If the result tastes good, that's what's important, right? Only you'll never make a soufflé that way.

= TALENT --> When you get it right by Accident.

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...Cooks follow recipes. Eventually you get to be a chef, and you understand the food so well you can adapt the recipe with skill to produce something exquisite and unique.

= CRAFT --> When you get it right On Purpose.
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....and there I was, worried that I may not learn anything new for today when, Lo the wise Morgan came to my rescue. Nice tip. Many thanks.


You're very welcome.
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...The [fundamentals] aren't meant to fence us in...they're a springboard.


Exactly!
-- Now how do I get the 'creative' writers to believe this?


I'm told water-boarding is an effective means of--

*looks around*

What???
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...The [fundamentals] aren't meant to fence us in...they're a springboard.


Exactly!
-- Now how do I get the 'creative' writers to believe this?


I'm told water-boarding is an effective means of-- *looks around* What???


That does have possibilities...for entertainment value if nothing else.
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We can talk until we're blue in the face. I guess the fundamentals reek of tyranny. They certainly improved my life!...sans water-board. smile
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We can talk until we're blue in the face. I guess the fundamentals reek of tyranny. They certainly improved my life!...sans water-board. smile


The fundamentals only reek of tyranny when one doesn't know them -- and it Shows.
Ahem...
It's when someone's Arrogance slams head-first into their Ignorance, and they cry out, "I meant to do that!"
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I'm told water-boarding is an effective means of--

*looks around*

What???


You know, that might make for an interesting story actually...

Come to think of it, I've read stories with whips, chains, cages...can't recall ever reading a good water-boarding story though...

Hmmm...

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You know, that might make for an interesting story actually...

Come to think of it, I've read stories with whips, chains, cages...can't recall ever reading a good water-boarding story though...

Hmmm...


Probably because water-boarding is a common form of torture, and almost drowning someone repeatedly for the sake of sexual satisfaction probably has a very limited audience appeal.
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Probably because water-boarding is a common form of torture, and almost drowning someone repeatedly for the sake of sexual satisfaction probably has a very limited audience appeal.


So, I take it it's not going to be a new category here on Lush?

Just asking...though I think I know the answer...I'll skip the water-boarding story...

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Good boy.

Your static trait is always seeing how far you can push each and every site rule. At least you do it in good humour.
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Good boy.

Your static trait is always seeing how far you can push each and every site rule. At least you do it in good humour.


See, you got me all wrong Nicola...

Actually, when she said "water-board" I thought she was referring to one of those things like these girls are carrying...I thought to myself "Gee, that sounds sexy"...

Really...


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I'm told water-boarding is an effective means of--

*looks around*

What???


You know, that might make for an interesting story actually...

Come to think of it, I've read stories with whips, chains, cages...can't recall ever reading a good water-boarding story though...

Hmmm...


I actually have a scene of water-boarding in one of my upcoming books, but it is NOT part of a sex scene or anything of the sort. lol It's used as a method of serious torture. (And was rather skin-crawly to write, if I'm honest...)
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I actually have a scene of water-boarding in one of my upcoming books, but it is NOT part of a sex scene or anything of the sort. lol It's used as a method of serious torture. (And was rather skin-crawly to write, if I'm honest...)

Never done a water-boarding scene, but I have written a torture/interrogation scene, culminating in a lump hammer to the back of the hand (Little bit "Misery," maybe?). Reading it back makes my hand feel funny.
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I actually have a scene of water-boarding in one of my upcoming books, but it is NOT part of a sex scene or anything of the sort. lol It's used as a method of serious torture. (And was rather skin-crawly to write, if I'm honest...)


I've done one torture session, but I didn't go into any real detail. I mostly stuck to what was going on in the victim's mind rather than go into gruesome detail as to what was happening physically.

I squick the readers enough with some of my borderline BDSM Sex scenes. I don't need to send them gibbering into corners too.
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I actually have a scene of water-boarding in one of my upcoming books, but it is NOT part of a sex scene or anything of the sort. lol It's used as a method of serious torture. (And was rather skin-crawly to write, if I'm honest...)


I've done one torture session, but I didn't go into any real detail. I mostly stuck to what was going on in the victim's mind rather than go into gruesome detail as to what was happening physically.

I squick the readers enough with some of my borderline BDSM Sex scenes. I don't need to send them gibbering into corners too.



I have plenty of BDSM sex scenes, but not in this book. lol The water-boarding was detailed, written in first-POV from the victim's perspective, plus there's a chapter or two after that with him dealing with what amounts to PTSD from it. But it was necessary for the story. It's an erotic suspense, so there's plenty of sex in the book...just not THAT scene. lol
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But it was necessary for the story. It's an erotic suspense, so there's plenty of sex in the book...just not THAT scene. lol


I was thinking the other day about how so much of what I write outside Lush would be rejected if I tried to submit it here :P

My novel has an attempted scene (the guy meets a very gruesome end)

Another thing I'm working on is a romance story where the guy has a history of child prostitution. His opening up to the girl is a major part of him coming to terms with it.

None of these scenes are designed to titillate though, they are designed to be emotional, scary, revolting etc, but not sexy. I understand why Lush has to have a zero tolerance policy though, it's all about the audience.
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I have plenty of BDSM sex scenes, but not in this book. lol The water-boarding was detailed, written in first-POV from the victim's perspective, plus there's a chapter or two after that with him dealing with what amounts to PTSD from it. But it was necessary for the story. It's an erotic suspense, so there's plenty of sex in the book...just not THAT scene. lol


Very sensible.
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...I understand why Lush has to have a zero tolerance policy though, it's all about the audience.


Exactly!
-- The audience for those stories does exist, just not here.
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I have plenty of BDSM sex scenes, but not in this book. lol The water-boarding was detailed, written in first-POV from the victim's perspective, plus there's a chapter or two after that with him dealing with what amounts to PTSD from it. But it was necessary for the story. It's an erotic suspense, so there's plenty of sex in the book...just not THAT scene. lol


Very sensible.
-- I've discovered that as long as you draw a solid line between what's supposed to be pleasurable and what's Not, you can cross some erotic romance publishers' 'no-go' lines. SOME...


Indeed. My book Reconstructing Meredith goes into some detail about sexual abuse (more about the psychological effects than graphic descriptions of the abuse itself), and the character even has PTSD-related flashbacks during a sex scene, but it's kept VERY separate from what's supposed to be arousing. My editor is extremely "NO WAY" about as titillation, things like that, but she was all for this book because I stopped just short of writing in giant red letters THIS IS NOT AROUSING THIS IS BAD.
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Very sensible.
-- I've discovered that as long as you draw a solid line between what's supposed to be pleasurable and what's Not, you can cross some erotic romance publishers' 'no-go' lines. SOME...


Indeed. My book Reconstructing Meredith goes into some detail about sexual abuse (more about the psychological effects than graphic descriptions of the abuse itself), and the character even has PTSD-related flashbacks during a sex scene, but it's kept VERY separate from what's supposed to be arousing. My editor is extremely "NO WAY" about as titillation, things like that, but she was all for this book because I stopped just short of writing in giant red letters THIS IS NOT AROUSING THIS IS BAD.


That was kind of my point about audience and the Lush zero tolerance policy. Even if you intend something to be viewed as horrific or painful, and use it as part of a story to add depth to a character, in an environment such as this you know there are people who will read it in an entirely different way.

So for example, if I wrote a story that started out with a woman being , but she was rescued by someone and went on to form a relationship with them. The would not be intended to be arousing, it would be intended to be scary and horrific, but it still wouldn't be accepted.