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Anyone who knows anything about electronic payment processing knows that it is only the processor, in this case Paypal, who has any kind of access to private financial information. It is just as secure paying for a Lush membership as it is buying anything anywhere else using the same method. Even your connection to Lush is now TLS encrypted thanks to Gav (That padlock symbol in your browser).

I am not authorised to speak on behalf of the site regarding privacy concerns, but if anyone has any generic queries they would like to discuss I would be happy to oblige either on-forum or in private.

Liz
Will we still get a notice for all stories for members we follow when freemium comes into effect.....thats my main use of the messaging, to know what new stories are up for my fav readers

and if they are paying members, as a free member will i no longer be able to read the stories?
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Will we still get a notice for all stories for members we follow when freemium comes into effect.....thats my main use of the messaging, to know what new stories are up for my fav readers

and if they are paying members, as a free member will i no longer be able to read the stories?


You will see from the model that everyone can read stories. As far as the messages go I believe you will still receive those even if you have not purchased any of the three memberships. I will however get this checked and edit this post if I am wrong.
Yes, I have a question!

I think it would be beneficial for all involved if the site gave us idea of how much revenue it needs to generate via membership subscription in order to balance the books.

Having already established (on a different thread) that the online member numbers on the site are frightfully low and are set to decline further once freemium comes into effect, are the sites targets for generating sufficient income realistic?

For example, if, say, a couple of hundred gold memberships p.a would suffice, then this target would be achievable. However, if the target revenue requires, say, a couple of thousand memberships in order to stay afloat, then I don't it's fair that people invest money in a sunken ship that has no realistic possibility of salvation.
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Yes, I have a question!

I think it would be beneficial for all involved if the site gave us idea of how much revenue it needs to generate via membership subscription in order to balance the books.

Having already established (on a different thread) that the online member numbers on the site are frightfully low and are set to decline further once freemium comes into effect, are the sites targets for generating sufficient income realistic?

For example, if, say, a couple of hundred gold memberships p.a would suffice, then this target would be achievable. However, if the target revenue requires, say, a couple of thousand memberships in order to stay afloat, then I don't it's fair that people invest money in a sunken ship that has no realistic possibility of salvation.




All the owners are asking for is 10.00 this really is maddening to read.

People have a choice pay or stay.

I don't think they need to give all this information. They have decided to become a paid site. That is there right.

I know I shall be supporting Lush for many years to come.

Xo
I really don't know why people are complaining to be honest. While this has always been classed as a free site - it never has been as there has always been someone who has to pay for it somewhere along the line. Now due to the sheer rate of it's membership growth it's unfortunate that the costs of running the site have gone up considerably too. I believe that parts of the site are also programmed and maintained by third parties who also require paying so why are any of the members here really complaining particularly as th Bronze and Silver memberships are very affordable.

If you look at it another way, over the past years those who are using the site for free were getting 97% of the site while Gold Premium members were paying $50 for the other 3%.

As Nicola stated to me awhile back - "there is not much to be gained in having a Gold Premium membership - really it's to say thank you to the Moderators for their efforts and time keeping the site running smoothly and to help with the running costs".

I have tried many of these sites over the last 3 years and I have to say that there is only this site and one other that I can view as having any real quality to it and even then Lush is still by far the best. My suspicions here makes me wonder if the people who are kicking up the most fuss are the trolls who now realise that they may have to pay for more than one account if they are to continue to abuse the site and it's members!

For those people who come on here without their partners knowledge - I suggest you open a bank account of your own to pay for things that you wish to keep private.
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Yes, I have a question!

I think it would be beneficial for all involved if the site gave us idea of how much revenue it needs to generate via membership subscription in order to balance the books.

Having already established (on a different thread) that the online member numbers on the site are frightfully low and are set to decline further once freemium comes into effect, are the sites targets for generating sufficient income realistic?

For example, if, say, a couple of hundred gold memberships p.a would suffice, then this target would be achievable. However, if the target revenue requires, say, a couple of thousand memberships in order to stay afloat, then I don't it's fair that people invest money in a sunken ship that has no realistic possibility of salvation.



My personal view here is that your suggestion/question is simply unreasonable. Since when do private 'businesses' divulge such information to their customers unless they are a plc. When you buy a service from a service provider, lets say insurance, do you seek assurances from them that the company will remain in business for the one year that you have just taken insurance out with them for?
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My personal view here is that your suggestion/question is simply unreasonable. Since when do private 'businesses' divulge such information to their customers unless they are a plc. When you buy a service from a service provider, lets say insurance, do you seek assurances from them that the company will remain in business for the one year that you have just taken insurance out with them for?


No, you're quite right, and that is my point exactly.

If you have prior knowledge of a company's deteriorating financial position, and it is apparent that the company is teetering on the edge of closure, then you would be mad to buy a service from that particular service provider.

Thank you. I could not have said it better myself.

And what's more, a company has no legal obligation to reimburse its customers' loses after closure.
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No, you're quite right, and that is my point exactly.

If you have prior knowledge of a company's deteriorating financial position, and it is apparent that the company is teetering on the edge of closure, then you would be mad to buy a service from that particular service provider.

Thank you. I could not have said it better myself.

And what's more, a company has no legal obligation to reimburse its customers' loses after closure.




Back in October I had a conversation with Nicola - the site owner. In that conversation I said to her that at some point when my wages got better that I hoped to have a premium membership next year (2015). At that point Nicola free of charge gave me a $20 Silver membership. I have as stated now purchased that Gold Premium membership just as I said I would.

Do you really think that she would have given me that Silver if the site was in trouble? I doubt it very much.

I have looked around at sites like this for awhile now and none compare with here. Some of them want $15, $20 or even $30 a month for all in membership - get real Tiddlywink, we all waste a $100 or a £100 on crap every year in our lives - waste less on crap and put a little in here for a site that's a joy to be part of. $50 isn't that much and that is the most expensive membership - the other options are as cheap as anything for a years membership.
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You will see from the model that everyone can read stories. As far as the messages go I believe you will still receive those even if you have not purchased any of the three memberships. I will however get this checked and edit this post if I am wrong.



Ahh thanks, it seems to suggest premium stories are not available hence the confusion
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Ahh thanks, it seems to suggest premium stories are not available hence the confusion


You are correct. As a 'Free' member you will not have access to the Premium Story Library. Apologies if I misled you.
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Back in October I had a conversation with Nicola - the site owner. In that conversation I said to her that at some point when my wages got better that I hoped to have a premium membership next year (2015). At that point Nicola free of charge gave me a $20 Silver membership. I have as stated now purchased that Gold Premium membership just as I said I would.

Do you really think that she would have given me that Silver if the site was in trouble? I doubt it very much.

I have looked around at sites like this for awhile now and none compare with here. Some of them want $15, $20 or even $30 a month for all in membership - get real Tiddlywink, we all waste a $100 or a £100 on crap every year in our lives - waste less on crap and put a little in here for a site that's a joy to be part of. $50 isn't that much and that is the most expensive membership - the other options are as cheap as anything for a years membership.


I note Tiddlywink is UK and heres the UK cost (give or take a few pence for adjusting rates)

Bronze - a massive £6.50 a year .. about 3 free range eggs a month as a comparison
Silver - £13 .. 6 eggs a month according to my maths
Gold - £33.
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Unless Nicola intentionally disabled the email notification option for the newsletter, it's most definitely a glitch.

I'll check with her and get back to you when she gets back to me, deal?



Hi Dani, I guess this took longer than it normally does because of the volume of messages invilved. I received the email notification yesterday evening.
Considering that a good portion of the member base I've seen is of college age, and they either don't have a steady income or whatever income they do have goes straight towards food, textbooks and other school supplies, gas and whatever other necessities are needed just to get through day to day, $10 is A LOT of money, especially if its not going to those necessities.

I think many of the people stating that its not are forgetting that fact, or maybe they just simply haven't had little to no money before? Either way, I think some of the responses have been a bit harsh from this view point.

And considering that Free members will be able to receive friend requests, but not have the ability to actually communicate with those friends directly without paying, I find a bit confusing. If anything I would have expected chat rooms and perhaps part or most of the forums to be restricted, and I can understand image posting restrictions. But ALL forms of one on one communication? To me that's my biggest hang up, because if I were a new author and had a free membership, I wouldn't be able to directly thank the people that took the time to comment on my stories, or collaborate with someone else directly on a story for ideas or anything of that sort. But maybe that's just me?
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Considering that a good portion of the member base I've seen is of college age, and they either don't have a steady income or whatever income they do have goes straight towards food, textbooks and other school supplies, gas and whatever other necessities are needed just to get through day to day, $10 is A LOT of money, especially if its not going to those necessities.

I think many of the people stating that its not are forgetting that fact, or maybe they just simply haven't had little to no money before? Either way, I think some of the responses have been a bit harsh from this view point.

And considering that Free members will be able to receive friend requests, but not have the ability to actually communicate with those friends directly without paying, I find a bit confusing. If anything I would have expected chat rooms and perhaps part or most of the forums to be restricted, and I can understand image posting restrictions. But ALL forms of one on one communication? To me that's my biggest hang up, because if I were a new author and had a free membership, I wouldn't be able to directly thank the people that took the time to comment on my stories, or collaborate with someone else directly on a story for ideas or anything of that sort. But maybe that's just me?


Tough decisions had to be made and we all know the results of that. Personally I understand that not everyone can actually afford the $10 pa for the bronze membership; thats unfortunate. Do bear in mind, as you say, that there are no restrictions on chat in the static Lush/public rooms and thus you can interact in there with friends/fellow authors/people who have read your stories etc. Not everyone is going to be happy with these changes but I am sorry thats the way it has to be to ensure the ongoing provision of the site.
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Considering that a good portion of the member base I've seen is of college age, and they either don't have a steady income or whatever income they do have goes straight towards food, textbooks and other school supplies, gas and whatever other necessities are needed just to get through day to day, $10 is A LOT of money, especially if its not going to those necessities.

I think many of the people stating that its not are forgetting that fact, or maybe they just simply haven't had little to no money before? Either way, I think some of the responses have been a bit harsh from this view point.

And considering that Free members will be able to receive friend requests, but not have the ability to actually communicate with those friends directly without paying, I find a bit confusing. If anything I would have expected chat rooms and perhaps part or most of the forums to be restricted, and I can understand image posting restrictions. But ALL forms of one on one communication? To me that's my biggest hang up, because if I were a new author and had a free membership, I wouldn't be able to directly thank the people that took the time to comment on my stories, or collaborate with someone else directly on a story for ideas or anything of that sort. But maybe that's just me?



For what you have written to have any accuracy, you have to know the age of all the thousands of members here. Because you have seen a number of members being of college age does that mean they are at college? Not all members are from the U.S It also doesn't mean that the site gets a reduction in running costs because of its college age attendees. College students also don't seem to have any problem affording alcohol either.

A cost is a cost and it has to be paid - take a look at other sites that are charging more and offering less. If you look at John's costings in the post above then you'll hopefully realise that there is an affordable level of membership for everyone.
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$10 is A LOT of money


I know this is an argument being put forward, and some people here may sympathize with this, but I am personallly flabbergasted that anyone can say $10 is a LOT of money with a straight face. $10 simply is not a lot of money. It's simply not. It works out to approx 20 cents a week. WOW! How can you even say that 20 cents a week is a lot of money. Of all the arguments against the charging of a membership fee, this is the one which carries the least weight.

Quite simply put, there will always be a free component to Lush. And a 90 day free trial with all features is extremely generous. If Lush matters to you, $10 is not a lot of money. You will choose to spend it or not. But to suggest that the owners should continue to pay for your ability to instant message and upload images is ludicrous at best, selfish at worst. (Yes, I know you didn't personally suggest this, but its the reality of whats happening now). If you truly feel that $10 is an unreasonable hardship for you, then I suggest you try to find a site that offers this much for free. You have 6 months to do so. Good luck, cuz it ain't out there.

We've had a good run and we have all been fortunate up to this point to have been offered so much for nothing. But the economics dictate the current model is unworkable. I personally think the owners have gone far above anything that could have been expected to keep the membership costs so low and give us so much, and should be commended for this. The condemnation from those who think this site should remain free, despite being shown clearly why its not possible, is unforgivable.
Here is yet another aspect to consider. As it is now, this site is a majority of men or men posting as women. So, how many women do you really think will pay for a sex site? All notice that simply offering the other side of this issue has brought out all the GOLD SHIELDS in defense of high membership fees. Why? If its no big deal you should not have to convince anyone at all. Just like the Patriot Act does not offer any patriotism or freedom and like the Affordable Care Act is neither care or affordable, yet we are told how badly we need them. I suspect that this site will have a few paid subscribers. It will be a huge majority of MEN or MEN posing as women. And why is it the we are free to discuss inserting foreign objects into multiple places on the human body, but not discuss these 'fees?" hmmmm.........
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Here is yet another aspect to consider. As it is now, this site is a majority of men or men posting as women. So, how many women do you really think will pay for a sex site? All notice that simply offering the other side of this issue has brought out all the GOLD SHIELDS in defense of high membership fees. Why? If its no big deal you should not have to convince anyone at all. Just like the Patriot Act does not offer any patriotism or freedom and like the Affordable Care Act is neither care or affordable, yet we are told how badly we need them. I suspect that this site will have a few paid subscribers. It will be a huge majority of MEN or MEN posing as women. And why is it the we are free to discuss inserting foreign objects into multiple places on the human body, but not discuss these 'fees?" hmmmm.........


As a man, you see it as a sex site. As a woman, I see it as so much more than that. And as a site devoted to erotic literature and the discussion of such, why would it surprise you that so many members are women? Or that women would pay to belong? Despite the amazing amount of frivolous verbal diaherrea to spew from your mouth the past 2 days, this is the most sexest and extremely offensive thing you have said yet. It's amazing how those with so little to say in a constructive manner always say the most anyways.
The rest of your ridiculous arguments about government conspiracies and credit card fraud are just that, ridiculious. But now you are becoming offensive. Please stop.

You are so full of negativity. Why?
It's all quite simple:

If you want to pay, pay. If you don't, don't.

If we can no longer afford to keep the site running, then we'll simply shut it down. That's our problem to deal with.

We understand that some people can't afford it. So don't buy it.
We understand that some people feel that they're entitled to what this website offers for free. So don't buy it.
We understand that there are other sites out there and you'll piss out of your left eye before you pay for any access. So don't buy it.
We understand that many of you think this is the final nail in our coffin and you wanna teach us a lesson by not buying it. So don't buy it.
We understand that there's a constitution and you have rights according to that constitution and because of that constitution, you shouldn't have to purchase a Premium subscription. So don't buy it.

We appreciate everyone's support, monetarily or otherwise. You guys keep this place going, whether you're a continued supporter or a new supporter. Genuinely, thank you. You all make this place worthwhile.

Now, anything more about tin-foil hats and the FBI inserting tracking devices in our contact lenses for purchasing a membership will be removed.

This thread is about QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE MEMBERSHIP OPTIONS. This means how it works, what it entails, what you have access to, etc.

If you want to piss and moan/spout conspiracy theories, you're free to do so elsewhere.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


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Considering that a good portion of the member base I've seen is of college age, and they either don't have a steady income or whatever income they do have goes straight towards food, textbooks and other school supplies, gas and whatever other necessities are needed just to get through day to day, $10 is A LOT of money, especially if its not going to those necessities.

I think many of the people stating that its not are forgetting that fact, or maybe they just simply haven't had little to no money before? Either way, I think some of the responses have been a bit harsh from this view point.

And considering that Free members will be able to receive friend requests, but not have the ability to actually communicate with those friends directly without paying, I find a bit confusing. If anything I would have expected chat rooms and perhaps part or most of the forums to be restricted, and I can understand image posting restrictions. But ALL forms of one on one communication? To me that's my biggest hang up, because if I were a new author and had a free membership, I wouldn't be able to directly thank the people that took the time to comment on my stories, or collaborate with someone else directly on a story for ideas or anything of that sort. But maybe that's just me?




How can you say that $10.00 is a lot of money. This thread is just maddening to read. The owner has given members a bronze membership until July. You have six months to save your pennies.

Maybe don't have lunch at Burger King or McDonalds. Don't buy doughnuts at Dunkin Doughnuts. Pass on the Grande coffee at Starbucks.

Hell if you can't afford $10.00 you should get a real job.

This is the craziest thread ever. The owner has decided to make this a paid site. The server costs a month must be very expensive.

As I have said before you either PAY OR STAY.

Try finding another site like this on the internet. You will never find a gem like this.

The moderators are all volunteer and to police this thread must be exhausting for them.

You all have 6 months to figure out a way to come up with the $10.00.

OMG, I am just sick by reading all of these posts.

Have a nice day,
xoxoox
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This thread is about QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE MEMBERSHIP OPTIONS. This means how it works, what it entails, what you have access to, etc.

If you want to piss and moan/spout conspiracy theories, you're free to do so elsewhere.


Thanks Dani. I'm glad you cleared that up!
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If you want to piss and moan/spout conspiracy theories, you're free to do so elsewhere.


Please can you provide a LINK to the PISS AND MOAN thread?

xx Steph
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If you want to piss and moan/spout conspiracy theories, you're free to do so elsewhere.


Please can you provide a LINK to the PISS AND MOAN thread?

xx Steph


http://www.GoSuckADick.gov

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


Dani Dani you do amuse, luv the answer.
( LOL - laughing out loud .... tears )
For me there is nothing to debate. I like Lush, so I am staying and paying.
Does this mean that anyone who has a published story on the site is a bronze member?
I do have a few questions, some may have already been asked, but perhaps Nicola could clarify it in the announcement thread. Some may seem silly, but perhaps if they are spelled out, it might resolve some peoples concerns. there still seems to be a lot of misconceptions and confusion about what is doing to happen.

1. If a premium member sends a free member a PM (email) will they be able to respond? (if it works like most other sites that charge for the feature, they should be able to)

2. Same question for OM's (black box IM's) (I assume the same ability to reply would probably apply. just can't initiate one)

3. Same question for private chat requests (no real guess on this, though it may be the same, can accept and chat, just can't initiate one)

4. Same question for Friend requests (assume here that free members can still accept)

5. If someone sets up a user created chat room, that is not locked (therefore still a public room) will free members be able to enter it?

6. If someone sets up a user created room that IS locked (so a private room) but invites a free member to it, will the free member be able to enter it?

7. If a free member has an uploaded image as their avatar already, will it disappear after the free gifted period? (for existing or new members)

8. What about other images already uploaded or uploaded during the free gifted period? (like image gallery & photo albums... perhaps a small compromise here allowing a limited amount of space like 10mb for image gallery pics might ease some of the negative feelings.)

9. Same question for videos and playlists.

10. Will the current size limitations for uploads still apply with the Bronze memberships?