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Is having a child purely because your partner wants to wrong?

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I say yes from personal experience.

My wife and I were having a blast until a couple to 3 years back when her biological clock started ticking and she more or less forced the issue, even though I'd always said I was not that keen on having children.

Now our first born is 2 years old, I've aged at least 5 years in the last 2, can't stand the noise, and our relationship is suffering.

I should have put my foot down and said no children. But then my wife would have ended up resenting me for the rest of our days, and I couldn't live with that.

I think the world of my lovely daughter, but am seriously missing the previous life we once shared, peace and quiet, and evenings out.

Maybe I'm just a selfish asshole.

Oh yeah, she now wants a second child to keep our first company. You can imagine how I feel about that right now.
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IMaybe I'm just a selfish asshole.


Yup ... I got divorced to avod that situation ..
I was married before for 5 years, and we never wanted kids. So we didn't.

B (2nd wife) and I have been together 23 years now and have 3 kids; 1 before me meet, 1 not of my knowing (she tricked me) and I we planned. I never should of had kids. I understand the noise and freedom. And I love my kids, but B and I never had just 'US'. I look forward to the days it will be just us and visits from the kids.

Bat
IMHO I believe that it is wrong to have a child you really don't want to have just to please your partner. You said plow that you were afraid that she was going to resent you if you did not give her one but correct me if I'm wrong you could also end up resenting her for having them and not really wanting to.

You should always be true to your own feelings. If the one child is already here and you feel the way that you do.....you are going to feel ten times worse if you have another one. Also think about the children and how they feel. Many people think that they can hide their feelings real well but kids pick up on everything. Its not fair to have a child that did not ask to come to this world to feel unwanted.

I tell any person that I am with how I feel about not having children and that I won't budge on that issue and I tell them up front because if it's a deal breaker at least I have put everything on the table in the beginning. I have ended relationships for that reason in the past.

Communication is key Plow.......good luck.
"Love all, trust a few, and do wrong to none."
I think it's time for a real heart to heart, MrP Out of earshot of the little one. Tell her although you love her, you really didn't want any and how you feel about it now. It very well may be a deal breaker for her and you may end up a weekend father but, that's the risk you're going to have to take otherwise you will be miserable the rest of your life with her.
My partner in crime and I have had that discussion in the past. Neither one wanted any and now we are so glad we don't have them. We travel whenever we want, eat, drink whenever we want, etc. Selfish? Perhaps but, Why make ourselves miserable just because "time is running out".
Wow, thanks for the responses and honesty folks. There's some good advice in there. It's funny, you all represent different moments of my own contemplation. I have to respond individually or I'll end up a confused mess.

DB, I can understand your response to the situation, and nearly did the same. I was not keen to have kids, but thought that I might grow into the role of father and enjoy it. There are moments I really do.

Bat - know the feeling well. I was lucky though to have 3 years of enjoyment with my wife. Went on trips abroad and had a blast. I could have done with more of it though.

Zafia - you're right, I actually changed my outlook this morning towards my daughter, she's adorable and deserves all the love I can give her. She will never feel unwanted. I do resent my wife somewhat though. You sound a bit like a counsellor, is that your line of work? I remember you mentioned something a while back.

Chef - it's not at the stage where I'm considering getting divorced. But I really don't want to have a second child right now. I've been supporting my wife while she studies accountancy for the last 3 years, she hasn't worked the whole time, financially we're stretched as well.

Oh well, it isn't like you have to look after a child for 20 years or so is it
I didn't mean that you should, Hon. What I meant was that you're going to have to be straight with her and it may piss her off so much that she wants out.
"You sound a bit like a counsellor, is that your line of work? I remember you mentioned something a while back."


Yes...everyday all day....lol........
"Love all, trust a few, and do wrong to none."
You can have the kind of fun you used to if you are willing to:
1. Communicate with each other.
2. Hire a babysitter once a week or trade sitting favors with a neighbor.
3. Take the time to be creative.
4. Flirt with each other during the week.
5. Laugh together.

Marriage is hard work, it gets harder after you have kids. But hey, some day they will take care of you when you are old.

Seriously...it's not impossible to reclaim your former selves...but it does take much effort. Treat it like a game and it will seem less like work and more like fun.

Ruined By A Redhead - She told him she would ruin him; she kept her promise

Sunset Grill - Sometimes you find love where you least expect it

All My Love - Real love can last a lifetime and still feel brand new.

Tender Seduction - sometimes the long game pays off.

Treat it like a game

That's great Tech.

Set a prize for the winner. Who gets the craziest or wriedest or something. I like the game part.

Going to use that.

Bat
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I think the world of my lovely daughter, but am seriously missing the previous life we once shared, peace and quiet, and evenings out.

Maybe I'm just a selfish asshole.


You're not selfish at all. You just seem to be focusing more on what you've lost, rather than what you've gained. You can make the situation work if you want it to.

I hope it all works out well for you and your family.
Whatever happens, good luck, Plow.
You're right sweet_escape. I've tried to change my focus of late. I have a lot of stress at work and homelife and things just hit breaking point. I love them both dearly.

Thanks as well Roccotool.

It's good to use this place as a anonymous sounding board.
Update on the situation, my wife is 5 months pregnant, we're expecting our second a Mr Plow Jnr around 23rd December

That's the lot, I'm getting the snip after that.

It will be nice having one of each sex. Plus they can keep each other entertained.
well ... I am coming into the discussion a bit late ... and apparently the deal is baby #2 is close at hand.

my humble opinion is that bringing children into the world is larger proposition than any one every imagine BEFORE they have that baby. Then, when baby #2 arrives, you wonder if you will EVER have your own life again. (I know, I have 2).

then, half of us married folks end up divorced and weekend parents. That is when the real resentments can start. And, of the half of the folks with children that stay married, for what ever reasons (financial, the children, etc), they choose to be UNHAPPILY married with children.

I don't get it, mostly because I want to "hopefully" lead by example with my own children, that relationships take a lot of work on both sides and that a normal relationship is healthy, respectful, loving, caring without the resentment, arguments and dislike.

But ... as my grandfather once told me ... you can only work with the tools you have ...

Best of luck to your growing family ....
This one's a minefield to navigate for sure. When I realized I was in love with hubby, but not quite sure about if together forever was going to happen, we sat down for a loooong talk, and the issue was offspring. I told him flatout I was NOT ready at 29, but there was no doubt that I wanted a child some day, and if he had any doubts or uncertainty about kids, then I was going to break it off right then to save each of us the heartbreak. He assured me that he wasn't ready yet, either, but that some day a kid or kids would be just fine with him. (ten years was a tad longer than either of us anticipated, but oh well...) Although my field is far different, anyone considering marriage should REALLY work this one out before they say I do.
"A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere." - Groucho Marx
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Yup ... I got divorced to avod that situation ..


To avoid being a selfish asshole?
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Update on the situation, my wife is 5 months pregnant, we're expecting our second a Mr Plow Jnr around 23rd December

That's the lot, I'm getting the snip after that.

It will be nice having one of each sex. Plus they can keep each other entertained.


Good luck, for you, your wife, but mostly for the children. I'm the offspring of a man who even my mother stated categorically, should NEVER have had children, and they had 4 of us. Different time, not the choices that are open now, but Daddy was one mean sadistic bastard, and his frustrations where not the fault of his children.

Love your kids, they didn't ask to come into this world. It won't be their fault that there isn't that much money for fun things, it isn't their fault they're kids and take kid time to grow up, it isn't their fault that your frustrations and fears might overwhelm you, etc, etc, etc....

Don't count on them entertaing one another, or even liking one another. They're kids, they're not little robots or programmed reactions for your convenience.

Please don't ever dump your frustrations on them, the frustrations that have arisen because of choices YOU and your wife made as adults.

And yeah, get snipped.