http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_bi_ge/us_child_air_traffic
I would honestly shit myself if I heard that a kid was in the air traffic control room! Its the same as having a doctor bringing his kid into the operation room. His concentration will be on his kid not his job!
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FAA suspends pair after kids radio pilots at JFK
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What happened to the child care centre?
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://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_bi_ge/us_child_air_traffic
I would honestly shit myself if I heard that a kid was in the air traffic control room! Its the same as having a doctor bringing his kid into the operation room. His concentration will be on his kid not his job!
Who was the one that let those workers clock in with their kids in tow?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_bi_ge/us_child_air_traffic
I would honestly shit myself if I heard that a kid was in the air traffic control room! Its the same as having a doctor bringing his kid into the operation room. His concentration will be on his kid not his job!
Sorry Necho, I respectfully dissagree, it's not the same thing, it's not even the same sport.
From this story we really don't know the details of what was really going on, but the kid was told what to say, followed by detailed instructions from his father. This wasn't Daddy daycare run amok in the control tower. Everything was under control.
We are living in a world where we are too affraid to allow our children to experience the reality of the world around us. Particularly in the US and particularly from people institutionalized by the government school system. This is how people learn, by doing and experienceing.
It's interesting to note that noone complained until it went out on the internet, that means a room full of controllers didn't think it was a bad idea or out of hand until some image conscious press manager decided he had to cover the ATCs butts. Also noone said that the kid was there against any rules, so it must have actually been an authorized visit.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_bi_ge/us_child_air_traffic
I would honestly shit myself if I heard that a kid was in the air traffic control room! Its the same as having a doctor bringing his kid into the operation room. His concentration will be on his kid not his job!
Sorry Necho, I respectfully dissagree, it's not the same thing, it's not even the same sport.
From this story we really don't know the details of what was really going on, but the kid was told what to say, followed by detailed instructions from his father. This wasn't Daddy daycare run amok in the control tower. Everything was under control.
We are living in a world where we are too affraid to allow our children to experience the reality of the world around us. Particularly in the US and particularly from people institutionalized by the government school system. This is how people learn, by doing and experienceing.
It's interesting to note that noone complained until it went out on the internet, that means a room full of controllers didn't think it was a bad idea or out of hand until some image conscious press manager decided he had to cover the ATCs butts. Also noone said that the kid was there against any rules, so it must have actually been an authorized visit.
Being An Air Traffic controller is one of the most stressful jobs (Yea, I actually know what they do, I wrote a paper on it). As a passenger/pilot or flight attendant I would not feel safe with a man bringing his kid into such a stressful place.
What if something went wrong?
There is a reason why we don't allow children to experience the reality of the world around us, because there isn't place for them! I enjoy the fact that there are proper ways to experience these situations, by going to university and paying your ass off for it like the rest of us. There are how many students that would have LOVED the oppertunity to be there, instead he let a what 5year old kid enjoy the experience?
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Being An Air Traffic controller is one of the most stressful jobs (Yea, I actually know what they do, I wrote a paper on it).
What if something went wrong?
pretty much sure we all know what they do without the homework assignment. If something went wrong I think the little bastard gets shoved out of the way and the grown-ups do the talking anyway. That kid was never in charge of anything but we can disapprove and worry until the end of time, since thats what people enjoy doing.
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What if something went wrong?
"Belay that JetBlue 171. Follow these instructions..."
I'm pretty sure that the kid was actually there with his mother or an adult supervising the visit, or his dad was not on duty.
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There is a reason why we don't allow children to experience the reality of the world around us
Yes.
We've been brainwashed by government schools and intrusive government to believe that we need every aspect of our lives monitored by them to be safe. God forbid a child should experience life, they aren't real people until they are old enough to pay taxes.
There is a place in my world for interested children to be treated with respect and understanding when they want to know about grown up things. They will be running those things when I retire and I want to know they are in good hands learned from the experience of generations.
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I enjoy the fact that there are proper ways to experience these situations, by going to university and paying your ass off for it like the rest of us.
In most of history people have learned, and learned best, in one on one APPRENTICSHIPS. Like when a father shows his child how his job is done, not that the child will be taking over without proper training. But without the chance to be inspired by the possibility, the desire to learn has a much lower chance of ever being instilled.
I revently toured Mission Control in Houston. They have photos there of Controllers with their families visiting Mission Control. This is a time honored tradition.
It is sad when people feel a need to take a harmless moment, that was sure to be a priceless memory and possible source of inspiration, and turn it into a criminal investigation out of a sense of fear or do goodedness.
Remember , noone there complained, noone was harmed, and it was only an after the fact reaction to even take any kind of action. Why?
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My father worked for 32 years, in the two Air Radar Traffic System maintenance facilities in Kansas City. The last ten, as the manager of that regional facility inside the eighth and ninth floors of the second and more modern, fourteen-storey-tall air traffic control tower.
That's the backdrop.
Dad would sometimes take me up to the air control cab, after gaining permission from the lead air traffic radar controller on duty. It wasn't abnormal from what I could gather, to visit with escort and instructions.
It was quite a kick to be up, 14 stories off the ground, watching incoming and outgoing flights. I was 12 to 15 years old at those times. Kansas City is about 1/8th as busy as JFK, and those eight guys and gals manning the consoles and talking with pilots were pretty busy. I pretty much was told where to stand (out of their line of sight) and to keep quiet with my hands in my pockets.
10-15 minutes would too quickly pass and my father and I would then head down to the real control center on floors 10-11-12 of the tower, where the actual pressure-cooker existed. 10 controllers per floor, sitting in 75% darkness, with their glowing green consoles dominating their fields of view.
Again - no talking and even less walking around. Pretty boring shit for a 12 year old. They generally had one radar console that was used as a hot spare and vacant. Occasionally, one of the supervisors would demonstrate on that unit, what the real controllers were doing...and they might...maybe...let you - play on it for 10 or so minutes. But all safeties were on, and anything you did on that control unit was simulation, not live...no connection to any pilots or other official business. Certainly, no radio communications.
It was pretty piss poor judgement to allow a child to yak on the radio, even though he did have a script and adults were surrounding him. It tells me that at least some of the supervision had its attention diverted from what they should have been paying attention to.
You don't get on those kinds of com devices until you've been cleared, intensively trained for months, and then you supervised stringently. For all those reasons and because of the relatively low pay and high pressure - I decided young, to pursue a different career path.
It's reassuring, to me, that people fucked up and they are being held accountable.
That's the backdrop.
Dad would sometimes take me up to the air control cab, after gaining permission from the lead air traffic radar controller on duty. It wasn't abnormal from what I could gather, to visit with escort and instructions.
It was quite a kick to be up, 14 stories off the ground, watching incoming and outgoing flights. I was 12 to 15 years old at those times. Kansas City is about 1/8th as busy as JFK, and those eight guys and gals manning the consoles and talking with pilots were pretty busy. I pretty much was told where to stand (out of their line of sight) and to keep quiet with my hands in my pockets.
10-15 minutes would too quickly pass and my father and I would then head down to the real control center on floors 10-11-12 of the tower, where the actual pressure-cooker existed. 10 controllers per floor, sitting in 75% darkness, with their glowing green consoles dominating their fields of view.
Again - no talking and even less walking around. Pretty boring shit for a 12 year old. They generally had one radar console that was used as a hot spare and vacant. Occasionally, one of the supervisors would demonstrate on that unit, what the real controllers were doing...and they might...maybe...let you - play on it for 10 or so minutes. But all safeties were on, and anything you did on that control unit was simulation, not live...no connection to any pilots or other official business. Certainly, no radio communications.
It was pretty piss poor judgement to allow a child to yak on the radio, even though he did have a script and adults were surrounding him. It tells me that at least some of the supervision had its attention diverted from what they should have been paying attention to.
You don't get on those kinds of com devices until you've been cleared, intensively trained for months, and then you supervised stringently. For all those reasons and because of the relatively low pay and high pressure - I decided young, to pursue a different career path.
It's reassuring, to me, that people fucked up and they are being held accountable.
The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.
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I enjoy the fact that there are proper ways to experience these situations, by going to university and paying your ass off for it like the rest of us.
In most of history people have learned, and learned best, in one on one APPRENTICSHIPS. Like when a father shows his child how his job is done, not that the child will be taking over without proper training. But without the chance to be inspired by the possibility, the desire to learn has a much lower chance of ever being instilled.
Here, here! I'm sick of the mentality of university grads thinking their shit doesn't stink. Instead of college, I was in horrible places doing horrible things to people and fighting for my country while college kids were paying to party for 4 years+.
When I got back, I jumped immediately into a career and have stuck with it for 18 years. After 4 years of field experience, I knew more than college grads in my field who paid their asses off to learn what I got paid to learn. Doing what I do for 18 years, I feel that most grads are overrated and most certainly over paid.
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What if there had been an emergency while the kid was playing?
Then one of the other eight guys watching radar at the time would've handled it and the kid would've gotten yanked away from the microphone in about 2 nanoseconds- at least that's my best guess.
This statement is based on a lot of assumptions. ATC folks are often very busy with their own allocated number of planes and in an ATC tower such as JFK I'd make the assumption that it's rather busy 24/7. To stop monitoring your own allocated planes to solve someone else's mess can be fatal.
Funny to see the different opinions in this thread. I'd say it was piss poor judgement to let the kid talk to the pilot.
And yes, I have experience with ATC and the complexities that the job entails.
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I honestly have to agree with everyone here. It was a scary situation and one that should definitely not have had happened in the first place without proper approval.
But after having listened to the actual tapes, I have to agree with WillinBK that it was a controlled situation as you could hear the father in the background telling the kids exactly what to say to 3 different pilots. We all have assumed that the father was away from his station, but that wasn't the case. It hasn't been stated anywhere but it easily could of been that the father was sitting at the microphone and the child next to him. So if there was an emergency, I would say that the father would have been able to do his job.
Here is a clip of what was said (and they were so cute!
):
and that's about it. Same as with his daughter. The last bit should read "That's what you get when the kids are out of school"
I also found this interesting:
But after having listened to the actual tapes, I have to agree with WillinBK that it was a controlled situation as you could hear the father in the background telling the kids exactly what to say to 3 different pilots. We all have assumed that the father was away from his station, but that wasn't the case. It hasn't been stated anywhere but it easily could of been that the father was sitting at the microphone and the child next to him. So if there was an emergency, I would say that the father would have been able to do his job.
Here is a clip of what was said (and they were so cute!
):and that's about it. Same as with his daughter. The last bit should read "That's what you get when the kids are out of school"
I also found this interesting:
FAA spokesman Jim Peters said tower employees’ children were allowed into the high-security area with FAA approval but – not surprisingly – were not permitted to direct air traffic.
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The dad was right there, jesus. I did google this and the headlines were hilarious. No wonder everyone goes psycho over this shit.
"Kids direct air traffic in busy control tower" aaaagggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, who else knows about air traffic control and wants to remind us? I watched a porn scene based on an airplane cockpit, does that count? lol.
"Kids direct air traffic in busy control tower" aaaagggghhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, who else knows about air traffic control and wants to remind us? I watched a porn scene based on an airplane cockpit, does that count? lol.
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Hey, who else knows about air traffic control and wants to remind us? I watched a porn scene based on an airplane cockpit, does that count? lol.
Anything with cock yeah?
Insert typical super smart ass comment courtesy of thepainter here.
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There is a big difference to "bring your kid to work" if your job isn't responsible for keeping people safe and alive. If I had a kid and brought them to work nobody could possibly get hurt, whereas in the Air Traffic Control Industry, that is a different story. Somebody definitely didn't think this thru and should be punished appropriately whatever that is...just my opinion.jDJcV6hp1Ed15Gxe
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Haha, i heard about this on the radio on the way to work on Friday. And Tim and "My Mom Calls Me George" had parents letting their kids call in. it was hilarious! They put a limit on the age from 4-8 i think. and a 4 year old called in and he was making freaky noises. it was by far the funniest thing i had heard all week.JTVWG5ElmbKvrZFR
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As a former air traffic controller I have to say that I almost fell out of my chair when I saw the report on this. I thought it was a Jay Leno skit or something like that. It was a really stupid idea and a complete lack of judgement for the individule to do this. Sorry, he is going to have to play the consiquences.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304/ap_on_bi_ge/us_child_air_traffic
I would honestly shit myself if I heard that a kid was in the air traffic control room! Its the same as having a doctor bringing his kid into the operation room. His concentration will be on his kid not his job!
Sorry Necho, I respectfully dissagree, it's not the same thing, it's not even the same sport.
From this story we really don't know the details of what was really going on, but the kid was told what to say, followed by detailed instructions from his father. This wasn't Daddy daycare run amok in the control tower. Everything was under control.
We are living in a world where we are too affraid to allow our children to experience the reality of the world around us. Particularly in the US and particularly from people institutionalized by the government school system. This is how people learn, by doing and experienceing.
It's interesting to note that noone complained until it went out on the internet, that means a room full of controllers didn't think it was a bad idea or out of hand until some image conscious press manager decided he had to cover the ATCs butts. Also noone said that the kid was there against any rules, so it must have actually been an authorized visit.
Being An Air Traffic controller is one of the most stressful jobs (Yea, I actually know what they do, I wrote a paper on it). As a passenger/pilot or flight attendant I would not feel safe with a man bringing his kid into such a stressful place.
What if something went wrong?
There is a reason why we don't allow children to experience the reality of the world around us, because there isn't place for them! I enjoy the fact that there are proper ways to experience these situations, by going to university and paying your ass off for it like the rest of us. There are how many students that would have LOVED the oppertunity to be there, instead he let a what 5year old kid enjoy the experience?
I think they overeacted. The reality is nothing happened. Air controllers might make mistakes but I bet they'll never make that one again. I don't know it just seemed over the top.
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