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Buz
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As long as the different faiths make truth claims those are definitely science's business.


Do you do the scientific experiments and research yourself? If not, you're going only in what you're told, right?

Or I should say you're going souly on what you're told, right? Or is that solely? Hell, I'm dyslexic.
Burquette
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As long as the different faiths make truth claims those are definitely science's business.


I guess we just disagree.

Science can't say definitively that the soul doesn't exist until there's some way to look for it. The pastafarians believe in a flying spaghetti monster but science doesn't need to go hunting for it. Same goes for God.
SereneProdigy
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Quote by Burquette
Science can't say definitively that the soul doesn't exist until there's some way to look for it.


While religions are perfectly allowed to say that the soul definitively exists even though there's yet to be some way to look for it.

Gotta love the double-standard here...
Burquette
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To me something that doesn't possess any perceptible properties whatsoever perfectly typifies something that doesn't actually exist.

I know, I'm weird like that...




I would say it's a reasonable conclusion.

Some people believe in the supernatural. Hell, there's a whole genre of "Ghost hunting" shows on TV. They just make up what they think the properties of a ghost should be.

I suppose we could do that.
Burquette
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While religions are perfectly allowed to say that the soul definitively exists even though there's yet to be some way to look for it.

Gotta love the double-standard here...


It's not a double standard. It's a different standard.

Religion is faith based.
Science is fact based.
Buz
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Faith is one of the most fulfilling parts of my life. Science gives me tools to achieve things in life.
SereneProdigy
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Quote by Burquette
It's not a double standard. It's a different standard.

Religion is faith based.
Science is fact based.


The whole issue here is that most religions impose their faiths as actual facts. Isn't that the fundamental principle of religions, to provide people with some kind of truth, either existential or moral?

You can believe in God, souls or that the moon is made out of cheese all you want. However, don't be surprised to see these purely speculative claims gather some form of scrutiny when you're trying to propagate them as valid and reliable 'facts'. And that's especially true when the overwhelming majority of these supposed 'facts' are being imposed so zealously and have such a strong influence on morality, human rights (including women's rights) and the almost entirety of a populace's customs. Countless people all around the world are killed, tortured, mutilated and ostracized in the name of a certain 'god'; I'd say that questioning the very existence of such a 'god' is a rather paramount endeavor that requires more than just a compliant 'faith'.

To rewrite your comparison:

Religion bases its facts on faith.
Science bases its facts on facts.

You do notice the absurdity here, right?

And worst of all, said 'faith' often emerged throughout history to vehemently substantiate a calculating ideology. The 'faith' which depicted women as being inferior to men for centuries wasn't all that random, you know. The concept of an 'afterlife' is also extremely popular among Jihadists for a very specific reason. And the fact that Amerindians or Africans were perceived as 'soulless' animals whose existences didn't matter in the slightest was pretty fucking convenient too; there goes the purely contemplative and perfectly harmless notion of 'souls'...
Burquette
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The whole issue here is that most religions impose their faiths as actual facts. Isn't that the fundamental principle of religions, to provide people with some kind of truth, either existential or moral?

You can believe in God, souls or that the moon is made out of cheese all you want. However, don't be surprised to see these purely speculative claims gather some form of scrutiny when you're trying to propagate them as valid and reliable 'facts'. And that's especially true when the overwhelming majority of these supposed 'facts' are being imposed so zealously and have such a strong influence on morality, human rights (including women's rights) and the almost entirety of a populace's customs. Countless people all around the world are killed, tortured, mutilated and ostracized in the name of a certain 'god'; I'd say that questioning the very existence of such a 'god' is a rather paramount endeavor that requires more than just a compliant 'faith'.

To rewrite your comparison:

Religion bases its facts on faith.
Science bases its facts on facts.

You do notice the absurdity here, right?

And worst of all, said 'faith' often emerged throughout history to vehemently substantiate a calculating ideology. The 'faith' which depicted women as being inferior to men for centuries wasn't all that random, you know. The concept of an 'afterlife' is also extremely popular among Jihadists for a very specific reason. And the fact that Amerindians or Africans were perceived as 'soulless' animals whose existences didn't matter in the slightest was pretty fucking convenient too; there goes the purely contemplative and perfectly harmless notion of 'souls'...




I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm just saying science isn't going to save you.

So I'm guessing you'd sell your soul for a good offer?
SereneProdigy
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Quote by Burquette
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm just saying science isn't going to save you.

So I'm guessing you'd sell your soul for a good offer?


I desperately exchanged my soul for a condom about 10 years ago.

It was a very unique shade of bright lime yet had a whole in it... my soul I mean, the condom was pink and perfectly intact.
Beffer
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noll
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Quote by Burquette
I guess we just disagree.

Science can't say definitively that the soul doesn't exist until there's some way to look for it. The pastafarians believe in a flying spaghetti monster but science doesn't need to go hunting for it. Same goes for God.


It's impossible tot prove a negatieve. It's also unnecessary when there's no proof for the positive. Every claim that's made without evidence can be disregarded without evidence.


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noll
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Do you do the scientific experiments and research yourself? If not, you're going only in what you're told, right?

Or I should say you're going souly on what you're told, right? Or is that solely? Hell, I'm dyslexic.



You got me there: I don't do the research myself, but I believe in the scientific method. It's not without error, but has proven itself as being the best method we've got, by far, to gain knowledge and seek truth (or a representation of truth that we can understand).
There are many examples where science proved religion wrong. Can you give examples to the contrary? Has religion, any religion, ever proved science wrong?


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Burquette
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Quote by noll


It's impossible tot prove a negatieve. It's also unnecessary when there's no proof for the positive. Every claim that's made without evidence can be disregarded without evidence.


I agree.

Though, to play devil's advocate, I would hate to see SETI done away with, even though there's no evidence of ET. At least there, though, we have some idea of what to look for and listen for.
noll
"insensitive prick!" – Danielle Algo
Quote by Burquette


I agree.

Though, to play devil's advocate, I would hate to see SETI done away with, even though there's no evidence of ET. At least there, though, we have some idea of what to look for and listen for.


Actually we don't. Our evidence for electrowave transmitting cultures is anecdotal. We're the only known species who does that. We might be unique in that sense. There's no way to tell. The idea that there must be other life that might be technologically evolved enough is a guess at best. That's probably one of the reasons why SETI makes use of private computing power (as well).


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Buz
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Quote by noll


You got me there: I don't do the research myself, but I believe in the scientific method. It's not without error, but has proven itself as being the best method we've got, by far, to gain knowledge and seek truth (or a representation of truth that we can understand).
There are many examples where science proved religion wrong. Can you give examples to the contrary? Has religion, any religion, ever proved science wrong?


Religion is just an organization of people. God is something else. If there is God then science and physics will prove to be God's invention and tool. In that case, you'll never know, at least in this lifetime.
Burquette
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Religion is just an organization of people. God is something else. If there is God then science and physics will prove to be God's invention and tool. In that case, you'll never know, at least in this lifetime.


Yes. If there is a God, science is here to explain His creation and His instrument.

If not, it's still here to explain the natural world.

Either way, it can't prove the existence of God or the soul, the location of heaven or hell, or if salvation is real. All it can do is help to confirm or disprove places mentioned in the Bible. Events, perhaps, too.

So, if the soul really is my forever...after my body is gone this is what continues... I would only sell it for someone I love who needs it desperately.

I lost my mother this year. I would sell my soul for ten more years with her. So, there you go.
Buz
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Talking about the soul, y'all might enjoy my 'The Devil's Harem' series. It is still not finished but there are three stories completed so far. It is not a part one, part two type series, so you can jump in with any story. If interested, catch them on my bio page.

I have visited the voodoo lady before but did not strike up a bargain of any kind. She said not to come back and I will oblige.

My soul is not for sale. I've already made my arrangements.
noll
"insensitive prick!" – Danielle Algo
Quote by Buz


Religion is just an organization of people. God is something else. If there is God then science and physics will prove to be God's invention and tool. In that case, you'll never know, at least in this lifetime.


That's your assumption (concerning your god), but there's no evidence that supports that assumption.


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noll
"insensitive prick!" – Danielle Algo
Quote by Burquette
Either way, it can't prove the existence of God or the soul, the location of heaven or hell, or if salvation is real. All it can do is help to confirm or disprove places mentioned in the Bible. Events, perhaps, too.


Since we don't know all the properties of gods/heaven/souls you really can't claim that science wouldn't be able to detect them, assuming they exist of course.


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Burquette
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Since we don't know all the properties of gods/heaven/souls you really can't claim that science wouldn't be able to detect them, assuming they exist of course.


Imagining the soul exists, would you sell it for anything?
Buz
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Quote by noll


That's your assumption (concerning your god), but there's no evidence that supports that assumption.


That's your assumption.

Take it to The Think Tank, let's allow the spirit of this Pub thread to stay on subject.
browncoffee
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I love me a bit of faith. I'd be depressed as hell without it.

And I still ain't selling my soul.
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I'm prepared to go down to the crossroads any time if it would really work.
noll
"insensitive prick!" – Danielle Algo
Quote by Burquette


Imagining the soul exists, would you sell it for anything?



I guess I'd have to assume/imagine it's sellable for that too ;)


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noll
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Quote by Buz
That's your assumption.


No. You made a truth claim without falsifiable evidence. I merely pointed that out.


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Take it to The Think Tank, let's allow the spirit of this Pub thread to stay on subject.


Okidoki.


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Burquette
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I guess I'd have to assume/imagine it's sellable for that too ;)


Jesus, duck. (Oh, wait... sorry)
Dancewithme
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Jesus, duck. (Oh, wait... sorry)


I could put my faith in an intelligent, classy, subtly passionate woman like you any day!

You have no idea how sexy a woman is, to some of us men, who gets right in there with the best of 'em and lets it go!

You go Ms. Burquette!!

Would I sell my soul to the devil for you? Yes BUT the devil only shows up in the morning when I look into my mirror to shave. He's an ugly SOB!

People tell me I have soul BTW when they see me dance or hear me sing.