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Jack_42
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 83
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Played a few gigs with strippers one had a snake. We were bashing out some Slade song Cum On Feel The Noise when the female singer during a guitar solo suddenly disappeared behind the drummer (who had an intense phobia of snakes) and then came back after the solo. After we finished the set I asked her what she had been doing. She said ''Oh the python had came out of its basket and was moving across the stage so I just picked it up and put it back in its basket. The drummer turned white.
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I'm playing at a festival on 24/6/17 at Olesno in a band called Olesanka there will be a variety of bands playing all day plus FREE booze and food all day and evening. Let me know if you're coming and bring a sleeping bag and crash on the field, or if you're really hardy nothing and if you're soppy bring a tent. There is only one mildly poisonous snake indigenous to the Czech Republic - trust me on this I have a morbid fascination for the subject which went really ape when I visited the Philippines last year). If you like you could bring some foam and we could have an orgy as per old U.K. festivals.
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Let me recap: WWII was a war between the AXIS powers and the Allied Forces, or the United Nations, as they called themselves back then. The AXIS consisted of Germany, Italy and Japan and the minor powers Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Thailand (and Yugoslavia, but only for two days, so I'll ignore them).
Italy deposed Mussolini and joined the Allied forces in 1943, Bulgaria sort of did the same in 1944, Hungary was defeated in 1944, Romania switched sides in 1944, Thailand threw out its government in a coup d'etat in 1944, and Germany and Japan capitulated in 1945. And with that, Second World War was over. The AXIS lost, the Allied Forces won.
Now you could argue, that one of the Allies gained more than the rest, but that doesn't mean the rest lost.
I said in real terms and even going by the agreed terms which were not kept a huge part of Europe was still invaded - by whom is irrelevant it was the war that allowed this to happen so the ending dictated who won (Stalin when advised they were in danger of breaking the agreement said that it didn't matter their troops were there and that's what really counted). Russia controlled a huge part of Europe and they were allowed to before the end of the war unlike Hitler who was stopped. So the way you would put it is Russia won the peace but I call a spade a spade the allies sold out and again betrayed Eastern Europe.
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Considering to this point the fool asserts that 1). You can't blame Hitler for starting WW2 (the blame falls squarely on Hitler, it's reprehensible to excuse that monster for anything he did). 2). That 2 US Presidents were removed from office (a complete fabrication.. only 1 ever didn't serve his full elected term for reasons other than death and he resigned). 3). That the Allies didn't win WW2 in Europe (they most certainly did). These are not even debatable. They are facts. There are facts and there are lies. The cockwomble pushes egregious lies. Alex Jones would be proud. I'm sure the Trumpster is too. Cockwomble is being too kind in my estimation.
Get your moderator status if you want to moderate the forums. Until then don't act holier than thou. It's not your job.
Quote some facts disputing the ones I gave rather than just saying it's a fact. Hitler may have started WWII but my point was he was supported and elected as is your current leader and the pre-election behaviour of both these men illustrated just exactly how they would behave once in office. Oh and please don't misinterpret this to mean I support either of their actions. The allies behaved exactly in the way I've illustrated and in real terms lost the war. My theme was the reality not what some flag waving naive people think. I was advised to read history books well these facts are all contained in those rather than in romantic movies like Saving Private Ryan. As for your cock thingy well I can live with whatever that means. By the way there were people who were saying the same thing as me in 1945.
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Quote by noll
Disagree all you like with Jack, but can you please stop the name calling? Thx.
The only people using name calling are the people disagreeing with me though I fail to see how using playground insults lends any credibility to the argument. My main theme was take responsibility for your own actions or at least accept the decision of the majority - that is the accepted majority according to the system used or change things. Using this idiot Trump as a scapegoat rather than a symptom of the current political climate is a form of shirking. As for my disagreement I have presented nothing but facts. Stalin's not keeping to any promises is a fact as is Roosevelt's and in real terms the allies did not carry out their intentions. It's a fact not an opinion that Europe was betrayed by the allies. Well they were at the very beginning when the British and the French gave away the Sudetenland. People can list all their family circumstances all they like it will not alter this. I could list my families contributions which were quite large but it will not alter the reality of the end of the war and I'm not the only one to feel this. Most of the older inhabitants of Eastern Europe feel the same as do. This is not a contest or game but what actually happened and the awareness of all parties that is the 3 main allied protagonists who all knew. Stalin broke his promise immediately after when he set up a puppet government in Romania before he then did not remove his troops from Poland as agreed but nobody stood up to him. His intended target to set up a new Soviet state was begun he achieved all his targets so in real terms he won the war and the allies did not take him to task unlike when Hitler invaded Poland they did. So what else do you call it a victory? Remembering these events were taking place after Yalta and before the end of the war.
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True, but part of the reason is that the West very quickly saw the East as nasty 'commies', even though many in the East helped to liberate the West for which they were now punished by the Soviets (for fighting with the enemy). As a Dutch person I think it's disgraceful how for instance Poland was betrayed by us. Polish soldiers helped liberate large parts of Europe only to never be able to return to their own country after the war. They were seen there as betrayers for fighting with the West and in the West they were often seen as from the Warsaw Pact after the war. It took about 5 decades before their war efforts were recognized. An absolute disgrace.
Strictly speaking Jack may not be right, but I completely understand what he means. The Europe that had won was far smaller than the Europe before WWII. It's only after the SU collapsed that Europe seems to have regained it's original size again. Not geological of course, but what it is that people refer to when they mention Europe.
To Stanislav Mikulovice Leader of Poland during WWII "Don't worry Stalin does not intend to take freedom from you I shall see to it that your country will not come out of this war injured. " Franklin D. Roosevelt.
The strategy of the war was dictated by Stalin even to the D day landings - Roosevelt appeased him all the time yes in real terms not bits of paper but the reality it's so obvious Russia won.
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Nobody was "gotten rid of" either. The only president that did not finish out his term (other than by death) was Nixon, and he left voluntarily (more or less). If you didn't mean by impeachment, just what other means were you referring to?
Splitting hairs
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I agree with all of this. What I disagreed with, was Jack's statement that America lost the second world war in Europe and that Russia was the only winner there.
Could this be ironic unconscious arrogance I said Allies not America.
And by the way this was the Soviet plan from the day they made the agreement with Hitler try studying a few of their diaries. Also the sacrifice of Easter Europe was made by Churchill and Roosevelt long before Yalta. Active Ink Slinger
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If you are referring to impeachment, check the record jsck. Only 2 presidents were ever impeached (which by the way is only equivalent to being indicted), Thomas Jefferson and Bill Clinton. And neither was found guilty or removed from office. Richard Nixon was never impeached or found guilty as he resigned before the House brought his impeachment up for a vote. I do however agree with you that trump seems to have done more than enough to be brought up on charges and perhaps that will yet happen when they have the actual irrefutable evidence to make sure he doesn't some how slip through the process. I think everyday brings us closer.
Did I say impeached I said got rid of.
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Just when i thought you couldn't be an even bigger cock womble....
You think either of these 2 were suitable? Having said that during my lifetime you managed to get rid of 2 elected presidents for fairly mild infringements of the system -
one just for having a blow job. So get rid of this loon before he really does something embarrassing it must be possible viz my examples. Big wheel keep on turning.
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Ask that same question in the other half of Germany, in the Netherlands, Belgium, France or any other country that didn't fall under the Soviet Unions influence, and you'll get a completely different answer.
Looking back, it's always easy to see the mistakes that were made. Yalta rendered some decisions that helped Stalin's aspirations after the war. Some of that might have been foreseen, but certainly not all of it. And no matter how you look at it, compromises had to be made to seal the alliance between Russia and the rest of the allies. They needed each other to stop the Axis Powers from taking over the world.
Stalin effectively occupied a number of countries, broke the pledge about free elections he made in Yalta and abused his influence on the countries he occupied. But that did not decide the outcome of WWII. That war was over after the allied forces defeated Germany, Italy and Japan.
That nobody had the stomach to stand up against Stalin is not so odd. Europe and its allies, including America had just paid a high price to end a war and weren't about to start a new one, one that might even escalate into a nuclear conflict. And although the influence of the Soviet Union on the political processes was pretty clear, the western world still considered it the internal affairs of the countries involved and interfering with them was not done.
Of course it would be a different story they still had their freedom - rather obvious. This is not a case of being wise after the event only a few weeks after the Yalta conference and during the same there was dissatisfaction about the arrogant carving up of Europe thus allowed. I never said it was odd that nobody had the stomach to stand up to Stalin but you concede my point by acknowledging that. Russia's nuclear capability at the time was very minimal - practically non existent and this was prior to Hiroshima etc. As for their needing each other to defeat the axis powers they had already been defeated. But I am not really debating the events but what it meant in real terms. Russia won the war. To be fair they had suffered the most from the war but that does not excuse their being allowed to take over a huge part of Europe just because their troops were there - without it being looked upon as their victory, unspoken or not, but a victory nevertheless.
And all this may I once more remind all is a digression from the misinterpretation of my statement about Donald Trump. The response being emotion driven without any reference to what my statement actually said and it's all becoming a bit tiresome.
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Of course Europe wasn't as free as before the war. The allied forces controlled Europe and occupied Germany and its allies, as was agreed at the Yalta conference. Formally though, all the European countries regained sovereignty over their own territory after a while, the countries in the USSR's sphere of influence too. The latter became allies of the Soviet Union, just like the rest of Europe became allies of the USA. But the war was over by then, lost by the Axis and won by the Allied Forces. And by 1990 the influence of Russia over "its" part of Europe was rapidly collapsing, the Soviet Union was disintegrating and Comecon and the Warsaw pact effectively ceased to exist. Hardly the fate of a winner.
Ask any person from Hungary, half of Germany etc who in real terms won WWII ? The allies chickened out and allowed the cold war to be created. For most of my life we had to suffer the expense, con and privation of the cold war. People who had fought for ''freedom'' who returned to their countries were imprisoned for ''fighting on the wrong side.'' The reason for it starting was Germany's invasion of Poland at the end Poland was still invaded - so much for freedom. OK everyone had no stomach to continue or stand up to Stalin but that is the reality.
''Initial reaction to the Yalta agreements was celebratory. Roosevelt and many other Americans viewed it as proof that the spirit of U.S.-Soviet wartime cooperation would carry over into the postwar period. This sentiment, however, was short lived. With the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt on April 12, 1945, Harry S. Truman became the thirty-third president of the United States. By the end of April, the new administration clashed with the Soviets over their influence in Eastern Europe, and over the United Nations. Alarmed at the perceived lack of cooperation on the part of the Soviets, many Americans began to criticize Roosevelt’s handling of the Yalta negotiations. To this day, many of Roosevelt’s most vehement detractors accuse him of “handing over” Eastern Europe and Northeast Asia to the Soviet Union at Yalta despite the fact that the Soviets did make many substantial concessions.''
