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Pretty soon we’re gonna have a nationwide abortion ban. Fun times ahead.

But.. that will rally the progressives Trust the plan 👍

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So, wouldn't it be better then to let it explode quickly and hope for a new start? ++he says safely from the other side of the pond++

Nah..

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If you're not saying he was "speaking about Chinese people in general", then it's unclear to me what "Why is it so important to use blanket statements against 'the Chinese'" is referring to then, as apparently he didn't. Nor did anyone else here I believe.

He’s just mad because I was mean to progressives protest voting for a third party.

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I think so too. And yet, previously, with less dangerous Republicans candidates, there was the same sense that 'this time' they really need to be stopped from winning.

Do you believe that within the current system, and with MAGA being where it is right now, with most of the Republican politicians having bought into it, and with SCOTUS made up the way it is right now, that it's possible to decrease polarisation? That it is possible to reform the parts of the system that push for a 2-party system, and therefore for polarisation (get rid of the Electoral College, get big money out of politics, etc.)?

I get the impression that some Americans believe it's heading towards some tyrannical state anyway. If they're right, then it might be more dangerous to let it develop slowly into that, than abruptly. #boilingfrog

It’s too polarized now. Too late. The republicans avoided the straight up racism and the actual denial of women’s rights and as long as 50% of the country was living the dream and the other 50% perceived that they still had it better than most people in other countries than nobody really cared. The republican party decided that it had to win in 2016 so created that Frankenstein’s monster called Trump to turn the Supreme Court conservative. They started going too far. Some people will just never stop hating women, gays and minorities and some people will never want to have anything to do with people that hate women, minorities and gays. Seeing that 70 million republicans voted for trump was the bell that was rung. The true colors of 70 million republicans were undeniable after that.

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Environmentally it may make more sense to drill for oil in a desert than in a place where there's way more life. That's assuming the environmental rules are the same in both places of course.

Environmentally it makes more sense for the human race to cease to exist.

Progressives think it's better to buy oil than drilling for it ourselves... How does that make any sense?

And not using oil is pure fantasy.

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Of course I missed, I have morals. I'm not American.

What are you talking about… you’re Dutch you moral less whore

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But what's a normal Republican? Every presidential election, since at least the start of this century, seemed as if 'this time' it's really necessary to keep the Republican candidate from winning.

Before MAGA there was The Tea Party. And before Trump there was Dubya, who seems favorable now in comparison, but under whose watch a war was started on false grounds, people were tortured, and Americans, as well as citizens and politicians of allied nations, were being spied on by the NSA. Was he a normal Republican?

Right now one of the most reasonable Republicans that comes to mind, to me as a foreigner, is Liz Cheney. But I doubt her ideas are all that different from her dad's (correct me if I'm wrong!), who was the epitome of evil less than two decades ago. Not buying into MAGA is a low bar for seeming reasonable. So, what's a normal Republican?

Normal is the wrong word. I meant “less dangerous”. Jeb Bush would have been a less dangerous Republican than Trump was, for example.

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Just did, all because of you. And I'm not even American.

I’m pretty sure you’re lacking in athletic ability so I will clear my conscience by assuming you missed, by a lot.

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I was pointing out the wording he used is the same as both conservatives and democrats to refer to the Chinese as a whole for any wrongdoing. This has resulted in a spike in anti-Asian violence in America. I simply asked to contextualize the groups you are speaking about instead of saying ‘The Chinese’.

I didn’t assume or say he was bashing the Chinese. I provided context to his statement and when chided and pressed I went into more detail.

That being said I now fully believe Jack is racist because of the energy of his self victimization and insistence on continuing to do something that he was politely told could result in racism even if not intentional. I didn’t before the last few posts though.

I seriously doubt noll will be throwing bricks at Asian people as a result of my posts.

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Here’s my understanding of Jack’s post: Conservatives complaining about “the Chinese” running Hollywood, and using a Chinese tabloid that promotes right wing propaganda as proof of said running of Hollywood, which is stupid on the part of conservatives.

And Kevin Sorbo

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I didn’t say you were a racist. But I’m certainly believing it now.

I asked you to please use context before broadly painting things ‘Chinese’. I explained why calmly.

You are being disrespectful and are really showing your colors right now. I’m done talking to you, it feels gross.

Good, I don’t like talking to people who throw a fit, like a baby, when they don’t get their way.

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Not what I said. You are just someone who’s views are so weak and who’s mind is so small that you think childish tactics like pretending you don’t understand is how you argue.

Frankly you make me less likely to vote Democrat with every post, you’re a remarkable ambassador of the disrespectful and disingenuous politics the left practice.

Thank you for weaponizing my friend’s hate crime, really sick.

Oh lord.. YOU used your friend’s hate crime to begin with… YOU tried to paint me as a racist. YOU said you want trump to win so that it fires up the progressives to play some kind of 4D chess.

You’re being very hypocritical

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you're an asshole. (where's the lie in what i posted?). don't play dumb. you know exactly what you're doing and the rest of us are aren't so stupid we don't see through it. grow up already.

Lol, he literally said he wants trump to win. Then he said trump caused anti Asian hate that got a brick thrown at his friend..

Its just as hypocritical as the epoch times talking about China controlling Hollywood.

Anyway, Rowan and your virtue signal has been posted to counter whatever it is I did.

Balance.

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so Rowan's 'overreaction' doesn't belong here while Jack's continual baiting and BS are okay?

Where’s the lie in what I posted?

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I’ll say this and drop it. I don’t think what he was saying was with malice or intent to be racist at all, but the reality of the situation is anti-Chinese and anti-Asian racism is on a huge rise in the US. I am extra sensitive to it right now as a friend who is Vietnamese in his nationality was hit with a brick while walking a few days ago and someone screamed ‘Go back to China’ at him while driving away.

The Republicans spurred on this attitude while Trump was in office and rather than battle it the Democrats have doubled down on it. Blaming things that on ‘the Chinese’ with no context is causing tangible harm to the Asian communities not seen since WW2. All I asked was for contextualization and specifics on the subject to lessen that harm.

Have you told your friend that you want Trump to win yet?

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Not what I said. That’s a deflective straw man argument, common among people who have no actual credible points.

I already said you won several posts ago...

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And you did the exact same thing they did. Blaming China as a whole in broad terms in a way that breeds contempt for the people. What would you have lost from specifying. Or is doubling down on the lack of specifics just tripping on your ego?

Chayna

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You are far closer to MAGA politically than I am, sir. I do not wish your quest to brainwash the nation into compliance any luck. It’s a bad world view.

Rowan: I want trump to win

Me: no trump winning is bad.

Rowan: you’re more MAGA than me

😵‍💫

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No, you are not blocked. I’ve never played lawn darts in my life.

But to reiterate the Democrats current statement of being owed my vote is more damaging to Democracy than Trump. Stay on subject or drop it if your arguments are so weak. Or change your mind. That could be cool too.

You’re not going to turn me MAGA… but like I said, Godspeed with your progressive crusade or whatever.

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No, that wasn’t me.

Great deflection to the discussion though.

Are you sure?

What did I laugh at that caused you to block me then? It was something similar.

And this “discussion” is over, sorry, your argument is too silly.

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I’m sorry for pointing out that you are using the same terminology as racists. I’m more sorry that you see no problem with that.

Anti-Chinese racism is exploding in the US. It’s being pushed by both parties because it’s really the corporations freaking out about losing market shares.

Broadly blaming ‘the Chinese’ for things without specifics or context enforces this rhetoric.

Would it have been so hard to take a few minutes to say ‘The Falun Gong groups, a religious extremist group from China’? Anything like that? But instead you chose a blanket statement that takes in a lot of collateral damage to people that have nothing to do with this.

They’re Chinese, spreading right wing propaganda to the morons.

That’s it.

Defend Falun Gong all you want. They are Chinese propaganda the right wing eats up. Very weird shit.

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It’s less dangerous than compliance with the Democrats. If the Democrats refuse to bend to populous demands to win an election when they are facing a would-be dictator than they are dictators themselves. There are no good masters and I refuse to bend to yours.

And yes, the Trump presidency was very productive for progressives. Our movement gained massive popularity and the Democrats rallied around it, only to snuff it out. Here’s looking forward to four years of social unheaval.

Aren’t you they guy that blocked me because you said you got hit in the head with a lawn dart and I dared to laugh at that admission?

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“Please only protest when it’s not convenient to me. It makes it easier to ignore.”

Back to the whole conversation of where 3rd parties are in non presidential elections… the same place the are during the presidential elections. They are just easier for you to ignore which you do.

This is exactly the time to protest and let the democrats lose. Weather the storm for 4 years and challenge the Democrats to give me a reason to vote for them. Maybe they will change, because if I only vote third party when it’s easy to ignore than it’s useless.

Yes you're right, Trump becoming president again will be a major win for progressives. So selfish of me to say it is the completely wrong time to protest vote. Godspeed.

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It doesn't say 'China backed', as you make it seem and it's posted in a thread about conservatives being stupid.

It’s an example of why people don’t like progressives. They can be ridiculous just like the far right is ridiculous.

In his mind I’m being racist for criticizing something that’s not “white”. I pointed out they’re Chinese.. he says I shouldn’t do that because it stokes anti Asian sentiment in the US.. lol as if not doing that will magically make racist people not racist.

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I'd say Trump should be stopped from becoming POTUS again, at all costs. But at the same time, I don't see it get any better either. The system seems too fucked up and polarized to repair itself. It should have been fixed a long time ago. But instead America was (and often still is) pounding its chest for being the greatest democracy in the history of our planet, while waiving any criticism and failing miserably.

So, in that sense (it not getting any better) I get that people want to break from the current pattern, and the only option they feel they have is to vote for a 3rd party. It's a really big gamble, given that fascist dictatorship is luring around the corner, but if it seems the only chance for change, then some will surely take it.

The promise of the 2nd amendment was always to fight off a tyrannical government. It's funny, in a cynical 'from the outside' manner, that the country with such amendment/promise, is the one heading in the direction of precisely such government. Too bad most of the gun lovers are the ones pushing for it.

That’s why it’s so stupid. If a normal Republican was running then yeah okay go for it.. but they are talking about this third party nonsense while a dictator wannabe is running. He’s the main reason WHY it’s become so polarized. He’s WHY the Supreme Court is taking away rights. It’s just beyond stupid.

I’ve sent surprise cock many times.

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You’ve always been able to vote for a third party. Oh rubber duckling, do you not know how elections work?

Oh… so I guess we can give it a few more centuries to work then.

I mean the republicans were kinda like a 3rd party. They’re in their dictator era right now.. but maybe, magically, if you toss your vote away in a couple centuries we’ll be progressive.