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Mine kind of goes all over the place. But mostly it tends to be "coming of age". And no, that does not always involve young characters, but can also mean people who go through a major change in their life and finally "grow up". The 25 year old slacker that finally gets a purpose in life for example.

I have written long romantic stories. I have written short stories about streetwalkers in LA. I have written several that are superhero stories. And quite a few that I call "Dark Tales" that are often rather dark, but have twists at the end (akin to Twilight Zone). And more recently, I have started to take on period pieces. I have covered the 1990's, 1980's, 1960's, 1950's, and now the 1940's like that. Mostly single short stories, but where I try to immerse the reader completely into that decade I am writing about. Everything from the music (big band), the clothing (bullet bras), and TV shows and movies.

I have done space sci-fi with robots, fanfic, chemical sex change, even one anthology series where the title and part of the plot comes from a song (so far only 2, The Who and Tom Lehrer). One based only on a title as part of a challenge, even a semi-horror where it was an "outside looking in" on a character reliving a "Groundhog Day" life, and their interaction with somebody else.

Mostly, I just go wherever my muse leads me. I often joke I have little actual input on where my stories go. I just put onto paper whatever my muse whispers into my ear. And sometimes to be honest even that surprises or shocks me in the end.
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Literotica had a bit of a makeover a few years ago but it was hardly a re-branding; an opportunity to improve and update the site wasted.


As to Lush. You seem to have had problems settling in, perhaps you'd been expecting Lush to be something it is not. When I returned after a break my stories were taking a week to get verified when the blurb said it usually took a couple of days. A verifier apologised and said they were inundated.


All Lit got was basically like lipstick on a pig. It may look a little more pretty, but it's still just bacon waiting to be made.

And I would not say it is "settling in", as much as pretty much given up because of the lack of feedback. Look, I really do get it. Things are backed up, too many stories and not enough time, we are all only human after all, and can only do so much. But I have read suggestions in here and on other threads in here that talk about this (I really do mostly return for the forum).

I can look at my story sitting there, and see it has 6 views. So I know it has at least been seen. But then... I have absolutely no idea. I have read about in this thread about a moderator one where they will discuss our stories and that we should be informed about this. Yea, it might be nice to at least know a moderator is going over our stories, or it is being kicked around amongst them for some reason.

I really do get it, but after a week of submitting a story where it seems to fall into a black hole, I kinda get the "Meh" feeling to be honest. My output is actually fairly decent in the last year or so, like around 10 chapters a week between short stories and my large ongoing work. Maybe 1 or 2 a week on short stories. And yes, I am actually one of those that does check the sites I submit to, and am thankful for any feedback (good or bad), and enjoy learning what others think. But checking for a week with absolutely no word whatsoever is kinda annoying.

"Hey, we got your story, it seems to be our backlog is X days."
"I am reviewing your story, it may be X days."
"Some of us are considering your story, but we have some issues or questions about XXXXX in it and we are talking it over. Please be patient as we work this out."

Look, that I fully and unquestionably get. But seeing 6 read it days ago then nothing, is like it got shoved to the bottom of the pile again. And I on average really do check all of the sites I post to 2 or 3 times a day (or more). I guess all I really expect is at least some kind of feedback. Even just a single sentence.
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I've been wrestling with getting my first story verified and have been going through reformatting it to meet the standard.
I thought it might be helpful to ask the boneheaded question.
Is there a tool or anything to help a new writer actually put the mess of words into the good clean format?

So far I'm running mine through Grammarly, the inbuilt checker on the board, and through the wonderfully unhelpful Microsoft Word.
I just want to find the easiest way to make sure when I submit something, that it's laid out the way it needs to be to make it as easy as possible for a reader to check it for errors.
I can't be the only new writer grappling with this, some how do my fellow new starters get over that first fence and get something verified?


To be honest, I have given up posting stories in here. I am just here for the forum anymore.

Mostly, it takes a lot of practice. Just write and write. I know I look back at my earliest stories and want to cringe. But over the last 20 years I have improved a lot. Mostly in the last 3 when I started to take it a lot more seriously.

My technique like that is to write, then read it again. Then set it aside for a few days, and then read it again. Then shove it through Grammarly, and read it yet again. I still miss things, but that seems to clear 98% of any mistakes I made in the past.

As far as the "standard", not sure if there really is one, other than whatever they feel like at the time.
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Whoa, you two are serious! I don't go to that extent, but I appreciate people who do. I tend to stick with what I know so that I don't have to spend too much time doing research. I even got in trouble about what order the jam and cream go when eating a scone, so I can imagine the hell someone could take about misplacing Star Wars in 1975! smile


If I am writing a "period piece", I do get serious. I admit that sometimes I do take artistic license, but normally only by a few months, not years. And knowing how serious about say movies or TV shows are to some people, I try to remember that. I even made sure to have a couple in the house one time on a Monday night, because she wanted to see Alf. Not doing so would be like to an ER fan having somebody watch that show on any night other than Thursday.

If it is just a more "generic" story where the dates do not matter, I do not put that much work into it. But if I am trying to capture a specific time, I then try to be specific in turn. And when it is a story that takes place over years, it helps give the reader a sense of time actually flowing, especially as things change. Like Duran-Duran and Flock of Seagulls moving aside so that Tiffany and Belinda Carlisle can take their place on the music charts.

I doubt many younger would notice if I put say "Let's Dance" or "Hungry Like The Wolf" in 1985 and 1980 instead of 1983 and 1982. But a Bowie or Yes fan would notice it right away. Much like if somebody was to say write a story in 1985 and place a Pearl Harbor Day honorary in that year on a Sunday. I know for a fact it was a Saturday, as that was the day I got married.

Mostly, I do try and keep the "look and feel" more than the tiny details. But in the same way, mentioning the actual date with a Saturday on the beach can help build the sense of immersion of the reader. And doing research is also fun. I was researching for my latest story (still not posted here yet), and discovered that part of the student housing for UC Berkeley was built for WWII, and caused some controversy at the time for being integrated. And that many local establishments refused to cater to the black shipyard workers, so they went to Oakland. Then known as the "West Coast Harlem", especially the 7th Avenue area. And that the hotels were segregated by law. But while none of the "white" establishments would let in "black" customers, the "black" ones would allow in "whites" who were in uniform.

Little things like this help set the stage. And even though I know most readers would never know this going in, I both am trying to show what things were like, as well as even help them learn I hope that things today are not like they were in the past. But I would also in the same story completely ignore other details like the fact that destroyer crews were segregated (whites only), and there was no ship lost in a manner described because details like that did NOT fit into my story.

I actually did try hard to find a Cruiser to match what I wanted, as predominantly blacks in the WWII Navy if they were on a ship were on Cruisers or Battleships, and were cooks (or worked on shore as stevedores). I went against facts by putting an integrated crew on a destroyer, and making them supply instead of cooks. The loss of a cruiser in the war was not common, and big news. The loss of an anonymous destroyer, so what? We lost over 80 of those in the war, compared to only 3 cruisers. And I did not want the black characters to be just "another messman", even though even in that position they could be heroic (Doris Miller won the Medal of Honor as a messman). So I made the purposeful choice to make adjustments, even if it was against historical accuracy. But also not such a change as to completely break the belief of a reader that would be aware of such things. Like say if I had made the blacks part of the gun crew or navigator on the bridge.

And to this day, one of the funniest comments I got was in my 1980's piece. One of my readers sent me a message asking why I did not have the guy (17 years old in 1982) just use his cell phone when he realized he was going to be late. I wanted to smack my head, as in 1982 almost nobody had a cellular phone, and they did not even have batteries yet. They were still "bag phones" at that time costing over a thousand dollars, and years away from even the "Motorola Brick".
Myself, I never really worry about being "popular". I write for myself, although I am glad if there are others that appreciate what I put down in phosphors on my screen.

Plus, readers can be rather fickle. I have had stories I thought were really good turn out to be "Meh" to the readers. Then again I have also had stories I was not all that impressed with even when I wrote them that were surprisingly popular. But if there is one thing I learned, it is that multiple-chapter stories posted one after the other tend to attract more readers over time. I can only guess that they might miss it, but if they see chapter after chapter posted, many will eventually take a look just to see what it is about.
I tend to resolve it one of two ways.

First, is to take a break and work on something else real quick. I have been working on one story for almost 3 years now, but I have tossed out over a dozen short stories in that time as well. Mostly when I felt the story was getting to "cute", and I wanted to write something darker. So I would toss one out, then resume writing.

If it is more serious, what I actually do is restart the entire chapter I am stuck on. Quite often, at least to me it seems to happen when somewhere inside I know it is not working, so I simply restart that chapter and try again. 9 times out of 10 that then clears it up. I have quite a few chapters with (old version) appended at the end, those are where I had to do a restart. And I may revisit it and try to incorporate it at a later time.
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I like having those small elements because it helps set it. In an unusual stroke of luck, A film my MC watched with an ex, happens to be the film being shown on tv on a particular day and time when he's watching with someone else... which leads to a horror film dvd being put on instead. I only just discovered it when I was checking the listings. My story goes back to the end of 2003 because that was when I originally started it. There are quite a few events that happen in 2004 and 2005 which work out perfectly in regards to laws that came into place in the UK too.


I do the exact same thing. If my characters are going to see a movie, I will look up to see what movies actually came out that weekend or right before. Or if they were staying at home to watch TV, I would pull up the TV schedules to see what would have actually been shown that night. Or even for older settings, "Radio Logs", which fulfilled the same purpose in the time of radio.

Unlike say one story I read years ago in which the characters in 1975 went out to see Star Wars. That for me was an immediate WTF moment that made things harder to read after that.

However, watching what movies came out when also worked out good in ways also. Like how I had one character insist they go out to see a new movie that just came out, called "Howard The Duck". The joke being that they really wanted them to see the second feature, which was "Labyrinth".
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Just remembered my series involves real-time events. So films/tv programmes etc match up to the same as on that date, at that time. I actually use real dates which correspond to that day in that year too. With my story currently being in 2005, all music references etc are checked too. I am currently in a flap because I have lost my list of dates when things occur so I now need to go through and work all the dates out for that year


I do the exact same thing. In my longest story, it stretches from 1981 to 1992. And I often have a calendar open as I am writing to make sure I get dates right. Also sources like Wikipedia so I can have the right dates for events that happen during that time.
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Interesting... I'm certainly more light and fluffy myself, because writing erotic stuff is an escape and fantasy exploration exercise for me. But I try to incorporate realism and I can see how darker stuff is a legitimate way of dealing with messy life.


Same here. But even my "dark" ones are not like horror, simply how in real life sometimes things go sideways.

Like my take of a "cuck" story (Anniversary Gifts), where after getting his wife to sleep with somebody else, she ultimately ends up leaving him for the other person. Kind of a variation of the old saw "Be careful what you wish for". Or my most recent (still awaiting approval here) which is set during WWII. There really is a real love story in it, but also some darker things, with a bright light at the end.

A great many of mine are what I joke might work on Twilight Zone, if it had aired on the Playboy Channel. "Carla's Inhibitions" is one such. You read it expecting one thing, and I do everything I can in crafting the narration to cause people to come to what should be the natural conclusion. Only at the end to "pull the rug out", and cause the reader to rethink everything they had let themselves believe until that point.

I admit, I love trying to craft stories where in the end the reader would be going "OK, what the fuck? What the fuck did I just read there?" The surprise when you realize that Bruce Willis was dead all along, or that the wife sold her hair for wigs so she could get her husband a watch fob. Only to learn he sold his watch so he could buy her a set of lovely hair combs. I do not do that for every story of course, but more and more lately I do.

I once joked I am the "Dirty O. Henry" for that reason.
Another thing I often do is include what is or could be an "unhappy ending". And I actually do this for "balance".

Most times I tend towards long, romance type stories. And on more than once occasion, I have found myself starting to get a "sugar overload" from all the sweetness. And generally when that starts to happen, I write one or two darker stories. Nothing really like snuff, torture or anything like that. But it may have the end of a relationship, or something else tragic. I find writing something like that helps me get it out of my system, so I can return to the light and fluffy style again.
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I sure do breathing and grunting a lot, but it sounds like I need to read your stories for some schlurpiness!

Messy aftermath is a good one! I know there's the standard "...then I came all over her [tits/face]..." stuff, but, that got old like in the 1990s. Apologies to everyone who likes a good ejaculation (I do too in its place), but leaking is more...real.


In this I fully agree. It is bad enough seeing it in porn. In almost 40 years, I have never once "pulled out" and done something like that. It is just not... natural. The last thing I am thinking about at that time is pulling up and crawling up her body and doing something like that.

Now belly if you are using "spray and pray" birth control is one thing, but stopping towards the culmination and doing it? Uhhh, no thank you.
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Are there certain elements that you like to include in your stories, because you find them lacking in most erotica? And why?


Sure.

One thing I try to include is from my own experiences. That is at least trying to capture the sounds of making love. Just the sounds that 2 bodies can make I find incredibly arousing, and I often try to capture that. Plus it lets me sometimes have fun with an onomatopoeia like "schlurp".

And another, the "messy aftermath". After using rubbers for months when my wife and I first got intimate, she admitted it was a surprise to her when she got on the pill and we dumped them just how messy everything could be. So I also include that. Not from any kind of "creampie fetish", but simply in recognition that sex can be messy, and things can... leak.

Both of them for me are simply trying to more accurately describe such acts. And something I include in almost any story I write, but read almost nowhere else unless it is part of a fetish.
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I'm not a King fan (don't like horror stories)


Common mistake. He does not write horror, he writes suspense. But the problem is it is the most horror-like of his books that were made into movies.

The Running Man has no monsters or supernatural at all. Nor does Stand By Me, Cujo, or The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon. His book The Long Walk has a lot of similarities with the Mockingjay series, A group of teens made up of 2 from each state are forced to participate in a contest, until only 1 is left alive.

The Green Mile and The Stand are only barely supernatural, and in reality both are his version of stories from the Bible. Others (11-22-63) are more in the vein of science fiction.

And I admit I am not a King fan either, for many reasons. But I have liked quite a few of his works, and even he has had issues for years about how many think of him only as a horror writer. When in reality, he is not much different in style than Hitchcock.
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Do you understand irony?



You asked, I responded, then get pounded because I responded.

Enough said. Have a good day.
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Literotica! Don't get me started. The last refuge of the sexually deranged reader, the place where writers have to just sit back and soak up abuse without any facility for reply.





I bailed from there well over a decade ago. One of the oldest sites, now I wonder how they even keep going. Heck, I just popped in to see, and their "News" is literally over 4 years old. It's like they stopped even trying years ago.

I just looked, all of my stories finally removed (they do that after a while), and my 20 year old profile is pretty much blank, even my favorited stories are all gone.
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Well, I have created a group, imaginatively called "Peer Review Group". So far it only has one member and I don't seem to be able to invite people to join it. But I think people can apply to be invited - click on groups at the top, and if you find it and click on it you should get the option to request an invite after ticking the Yes-I-have-read-the-rules box.

Edit: 3 members now. Just about a quorum but more welcome.


I was unable to find it, can you give us a link?
I have had it happen to me more than once. Even have had to have some stolen works removed from Amazon.

By and large, I do not care, so long as they are not making money from it. I always gave my writings away for free, and from my earliest days on ASSTR I only asked that they not be placed behind pay walls. I even had some conversations with Ann Douglas about that, and like me she long ago gave up trying to fight the thieves. I am the same, but still go after any that tries to actually make money selling my works.
More than a few know about it.

I have let a few members of my family and close friends even read my stuff. And several years ago when I found out somebody had stolen one of my works and was selling it on Amazon, I put out quite a tirade on FB about it. And of course more than a few asked me exactly what I had written, and wanted to read it themselves.
With me, most times it has been a short single chapter story, in which something about it just demands I come back and write more. And it may be the setting, or the characters. But 2 of my longest stories started exactly that way. Intended on being only a single shot, but I just could not stop writing.
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1st Welcome to Lush.

I would be interested in more info on your claim that Lush is generally ranked at the bottom of the list for publishing at as I have found it to be the friendliest, most community driven of all the erotic story sites I have experienced.
If you mean speed and ease of publication, maybe that means the standards are higher here...


Thank you for the welcome.

But I am not here to try and throw stones. But the consensus is generally pretty bad, with passive-aggressive, cliquish, and semi-abusive being some of those most said.

But it is not hard to find the issues, I see them in comments in here from others. Primepornlist only ranks 2 sites lower (ASSTR being one of them). Elle magazine rated it 1 out of 5. And I do talk with a great many other authors. As I said, not trying to throw stones. But some of this is obvious just reading the comments in here, if you are not aware...
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Your submissions so far seem to have sailed straight to the front page virtually untouched, unless I'm missing something. What editing assistance/attention do you need from paid membership that you're not getting at your current level?



Honestly, I gave up. After almost a week of hearing people say "Oh, 2-3 days is normal", I decided to ask why mine was taking almost a week. Chalked it up as an aberration, shrugged it off.

Then multiple stories just sent back, no real explanation given, but was suggested I pay for a membership. At that point I just gave up. I do still come and watch the forums, because I enjoy interacting with others and getting/giving advice. But publishing here? Nope, not worth my time.
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For you author's out there.....have any of you found that a story that you thought was one of your best, has the lowest rating of all your stories?


To be honest, I never care about scores. Each story I write is unique, and I mostly write for my own enjoyment.

Of course I like when others enjoy them also, and there are times I actually write "bad" stories, either out of satire or to try and say something. And since I write in a variety of different styles, I would never expect to please everybody.
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It's in the footnotes of your author stats page. You should start getting premium at 500k total file size, adjusted by score. So realistically, it's probably around 700k, unless you're consistently pulling down scores of 9+. For a word count to file size conversion, you're looking at a little under 5k words per 25k file size, or thereabouts.

The stats page has a counter at the bottom that shows total file size/eligible file size.


To be honest, as long as I have been there, I rarely look in that area. Just out of curiosity, I just did.

8423 (65603) KB of stories posted (the number in parenthesis is what they say counts). 623241 downloads, 12722 downloads in the last week, 4837 votes, 4149 members who have added a story to their library.

And my first story was posted on 2002-04-23. It is actually old enough to vote. *laugh*

The only really wonky thing I find there is how they arrive at their scores. They use some kind of averaging system, which really makes almost no sense no matter how try try to explain it. Something about averaging with the other average scores submitted during that day, but all it seems to do is drag high scores down, and pull up low scores. I have seen stories that are mostly a 10 ranked at barely above 8, in defiance of any kind of math I have ever seen.

Of course, I also readily admit I do not write for "scores". I have even purposefully submitted several badly written stories. One specifically intended to be a satire on what passes as "erotica" to a lot of people. And no surprise, it is scored at 5.54 out of 10. It was a challenge I made, to write a story as short as I could, and include all 100+ tags into it. And I did so, in a 6k story. Simply a parody on the "kitchen sink" style, but only a few got it.
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They may do more if the submitting member has bought Gold status.


I for one will admit, rather irks me to be honest.

Most of us write for the enjoyment of writing and to tell a story. And without these scribblings we put down on the phosphors of our monitors, there would in essence be no stories.

But it seems like every 3rd message is basically the same thing. "Pay for membership, and you will get the attention you deserve."

But hey, rock on I say. But I found it interesting when discussing various sites elsewhere, this one was ranked generally at the bottom of the list for publishing stories at.
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Anyway, I didn't see anything about free premier service. Did they contact you and offer it, or did you have to ask for it?


They just added me to the list as an author. Of course, that was when they first started to offer premier services.

Back then, I think I had a dozen 1 and 2 chapter stories, and a "long one" (at the time) of 11 chapters.

I am not sure of when they do that, but eventually one of the moderators will just do it. And they have a forum there also, and if you ask as an author there are special sections just for authors. That may help you get noticed sooner.

I think it is one of those "unpublished standards", be active enough and post long enough, and eventually they just do it. It is probably not advertised, to keep people from ripping off 4 or 5 stories from ASSTR and reposting there in the hopes of free membership.
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Every site has its own characteristics and quirks. SOL only has room for fifty new stories before you need a premeir membership to keep reading. Thus the story is only on the free feed for about a week, The stories are still available for free by going in by the author's name, but I suspect few people do it that way. You can also do a category search, but you only get ten results unless you have the premier option.


Of course, there are other ways.

As a frequent contributor, I have free premier status there. That is extended to most of those that post stories at least semi-frequently. And updates are also tagged on the main page. This is why many authors post new chapters on a weekly schedule. To ensure they are always listed there. Myself, I just post chapters as I finish them, with the condition that I always tend to keep 2-5 chapters held back "in reserve". In one today, I posted chapter 76, as I am writing chapter 79. I may post 2 chapters in a day, or 1 in a week, just depending on how fast I am writing at the time.
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than you should go for it - certainly don't want to discourage you - it's nice to have a lot of variety here, a little something for everyone, and we do have some people who have some very long epics going, myself included - i think my Alice story is at 22 chapters or so and still going, so... smile


Thanks, I do appreciate that. But I already decided to just move on.

I decided that maybe the week wait was an aberration, so tried again. Even added a contest entry, just to throw one in. The next day, that entry was deleted, and was told I can only have 1 story in the que. Not sure why there is a que if only 1 story can be in it, and why of the stories to be deleted the contest entry was picked, but I am not really keen on posting a story, then waiting a week until I can post another. I am a storyteller, and doing this for enjoyment, not for money or "fame" or anything like that.

Look, I really do understand not wanting to flood a site by writings from one person, hence the que. It makes a lot of sense and can agree with that. But to just delete everything in that que, and not even look to see if one was a contest entry before deleting it?

I also thank you for posting my stories finally, I am sure if I had not mentioned it they would still be sitting in there. And I am not about to spend 4 months posting a chapter a week, monitoring my que to see when I can post another, and not writing anything else in the meantime.

I simply guess I have better things to do with my time than that. But thank you, it has been an interesting week or so here I do admit.
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What I mean is when writing a story and you want to advance it like 3 or 4 months ahead; need some advice on that and or your thought on whether its a good idea.


Well, you can always try what I recently did.

Had the main character's car hit by a truck, putting him into a coma for over 6 weeks.

But in general, I tend to just do it I guess. If nothing of importance happens, just jump forward to the next time something does happen. In total, I jumped almost a year of that story because going on and on about the rehabilitation and time in the hospital would have been largely dull.
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yeah, 50 chapters is a lot - the trend is, that unless you really work at getting a strong following, readership for chapters is going to decrease as they go, especially if there are long gaps between chapters. not that some haven't done it fairly successfully, but i would recommend starting off with one off stories or stories with 3 or less parts, at least at first.


Oh, I actually have been writing for many years now. One of my early ones over 20 years ago only had 11 chapters (long for that era).

Early this year I finished one at 34 chapters and another 18 chapters of it's sequel. Then finished a 69 chapter beast, and so far have finished 75 chapters of the sequel to that one since March of this year. I typically work on 2 or 3 different stories at a time, bouncing between them when I get stuck one one. Or just writing something completely different.

But my long ones really are quite different than what I post here. They tend to have a lot of character development and romance. But I may try posting one of my "shorter epics" here someday. I have tended to shy away from that, because many places simply do not like long form stories. I have actually completed 3 like that, and another is now 90% completed.

I could probably post a chapter a day for the next 6 months, and still be able to tell 3 complete stories.

But for me, "readership" is not all that important, to be honest. I love telling stories, and hope to make characters that are believable and others want to follow.
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I would just like to add that I have been here on Lush for over 8 years. In all of that time, I have never had a story take more than a day to get verified and posted. And I have over 500 stories here. If you have waited that long I am sure it is an anomaly.


Well, they were finally posted.

And interestingly enough, I am tending to post my more extreme stories in here. Which is not saying much, as extreme for me is not all that bad compared to many. My usual style tends more towards long epic love stories. But I can't see posting over 50 chapters of a single story in here.