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On a serious note, can you please cut this out? You’re having an extreme overreaction because someone pointed out the nationality of a propaganda rag. No one in this thread has said anything disparaging about Chinese people.

I’ll say this and drop it. I don’t think what he was saying was with malice or intent to be racist at all, but the reality of the situation is anti-Chinese and anti-Asian racism is on a huge rise in the US. I am extra sensitive to it right now as a friend who is Vietnamese in his nationality was hit with a brick while walking a few days ago and someone screamed ‘Go back to China’ at him while driving away.

The Republicans spurred on this attitude while Trump was in office and rather than battle it the Democrats have doubled down on it. Blaming things that on ‘the Chinese’ with no context is causing tangible harm to the Asian communities not seen since WW2. All I asked was for contextualization and specifics on the subject to lessen that harm.

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Rowan: I want trump to win

Me: no trump winning is bad.

Rowan: you’re more MAGA than me

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Not what I said. That’s a deflective straw man argument, common among people who have no actual credible points.

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What’s fascinating about you is your need to respond when you have nothing to say.

You are far closer to MAGA politically than I am, sir. I do not wish your quest to brainwash the nation into compliance any luck. It’s a bad world view.

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Are you sure?

What did I laugh at that caused you to block me then? It was something similar

No, you are not blocked. I’ve never played lawn darts in my life.

But to reiterate the Democrats current statement of being owed my vote is more damaging to Democracy than Trump. Stay on subject or drop it if your arguments are so weak. Or change your mind. That could be cool too.

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Aren’t you they guy that blocked me because you said you got hit in the head with a lawn dart and I dared to laugh at that admission?

No, that wasn’t me.

Great deflection to the discussion though.

And you did the exact same thing they did. Blaming China as a whole in broad terms in a way that breeds contempt for the people. What would you have lost from specifying. Or is doubling down on the lack of specifics just tripping on your ego?

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Yes you're right, Trump becoming president again will be a major win for progressives. So selfish of me to say it is the completely wrong time to protest vote. Godspeed.

It’s less dangerous than compliance with the Democrats. If the Democrats refuse to bend to populous demands to win an election when they are facing a would-be dictator than they are dictators themselves. There are no good masters and I refuse to bend to yours.

And yes, the Trump presidency was very productive for progressives. Our movement gained massive popularity and the Democrats rallied around it, only to snuff it out. Here’s looking forward to four years of social unheaval.

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That’s why it’s so stupid. If a normal Republican was running then yeah okay go for it.. but they are talking about this third party nonsense while a dictator wannabe is running. He’s the main reason WHY it’s become so polarized. He’s WHY the Supreme Court is taking away rights. It’s just beyond stupid.

“Please only protest when it’s not convenient to me. It makes it easier to ignore.”

Back to the whole conversation of where 3rd parties are in non presidential elections… the same place the are during the presidential elections. They are just easier for you to ignore which you do.

This is exactly the time to protest and let the democrats lose. Weather the storm for 4 years and challenge the Democrats to give me a reason to vote for them. Maybe they will change, because if I only vote third party when it’s easy to ignore than it’s useless.

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It’s an example of why people don’t like progressives. They can be ridiculous just like the far right is ridiculous.

In his mind I’m being racist for criticizing something that’s not “white”. I pointed out they’re Chinese.. he says I shouldn’t do that because it stokes anti Asian sentiment in the US.. lol as if not doing that will magically make racist people not racist.

I’m sorry for pointing out that you are using the same terminology as racists. I’m more sorry that you see no problem with that.

Anti-Chinese racism is exploding in the US. It’s being pushed by both parties because it’s really the corporations freaking out about losing market shares.

Broadly blaming ‘the Chinese’ for things without specifics or context enforces this rhetoric.

Would it have been so hard to take a few minutes to say ‘The Falun Gong groups, a religious extremist group from China’? Anything like that? But instead you chose a blanket statement that takes in a lot of collateral damage to people that have nothing to do with this.

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Oh… so I guess we can give it a few more centuries to work then.

I mean the republicans were kinda like a 3rd party. They’re in their dictator era right now.. but maybe, magically, if you toss your vote away in a couple centuries we’ll be progressive.

I won’t have to wait that long. This shit show is on a knifes edge already. Democrats have been fanning the same fire as the Republicans for too long.

Change is coming, and the Democrats will play the same games and ride the same stupid games right till the place is burning.

It’s about to get really ugly. I don’t think I’ll hate to worry about the two party system for all that long.

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Oh, only years? For how long have you been able to vote for a third party in the US? And when is the last time a party other than the republicans or democrats were in power? What were they like?

You’ve always been able to vote for a third party. Oh rubber duckling, do you not know how elections work?

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So they aren't Chinese?

Plus you're talking about distinctions and they just state "Hollywood is run by China". lol

Yeah, that’s playing into racists stereotypes to give the far right more power. And they aren’t Chinese anymore. The group was banned from China. They are formerly Chinese but are now an international religious organization.

Would you like it if the KKK ran articles and people referred to it as a US backed publication?

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It's like sitting there thinking that the Netherlands will magically turn into a 2 party country... Rowan and Sprite are sitting there thinking that if they just throw away their vote the US will magically turn into a 3 party country... they think this while a man that wants to be a dictator is running.

It's ridiculous.

is it ridiculous as thinking if I eat enough shit the next plate will have pie?

No, it won’t be magical. It’s not a toggle switch. It will take years of effort to get there and it will never happen by accepting the status quo. I bought the rhetoric on W. Most important election of my lifetime they said. But than it’s been the same way every election cycle.

I’ll lose a battle to win a war. It’s better than just accepting the war is lost and never winning.

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Sorry, but this is quite stupid.

Going to stop gatekeeping progressiveness by electing the far right. Shit maybe even a supreme court justice or two might die if we are lucky. That will really advance progressiveness in the future. Maybe they can come up with something cool again like when they decided corporations are people. Then progressives will really be due for a major comeback haha

As you demonstrate, Democrats think my priorities are jokes. Fuck em’. Trump can have the country than.

Four more years of uncontested corporate politics is more dangerous to my children and my freedom than four more years of Trump.

If the Democrats were concerned with the far right than they need to stop giving them money, power, and weak electoral opposition.

Can’t shit all over yourself for four years and expect me to believe another 4 will be any better.

But keep up taunting progressives and their worries! You’re doing great work for Trump. Might as well work for his campaign.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-02-01/rep-adam-schiffs-latest-ad-boosts-republican-steve-garvey-rep-katie-porter-hates-it

An article about Adam Schiff campaign spending millions of dollars to support a Trump backed racist.

They would rather give him an inroad than allow a progressive candidate a chance in the general election. Pretty disgusting stuff and a great example of why the Democrats can’t get progressive votes.

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Do you think he'll be able to get a big enough percentage for Trump to win?

If he does maybe the Democrats might consider a populous candidate instead of playing shitty games trying to hold the American people hostage.

An election against Trump is an election that the Democrats can only lose. And currently they are choosing to do so.

Frankly I’ll gladly take another 4 years of Trump if it teaches the Democrats to stop gatekeeping out progressivism. It didn’t work the first or second time though, and I really have no interest in supporting a party who would rather hand the country over to Trump than to give the people what they want.

And if extremist right wing candidates were a danger why do Democrat sponsored Super Pacs pump millions of dollars into supporting them in primary seasons? They are more interested in keeping Democracy hostage than working for the people.

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

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Sounds much better.

It’s an important distinction because currently our country is going a very racist route against Asians and the Chinese in particular.

Lumping every Chinese organization as one thing when they are very different and have very different views perpetuates the racial view of seeing the country as an enemy monolith while taking no subtext into consideration.

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1. The Epoch Times is literally a Chinese paper pretending to be American conservative news.

2. Kevin Sorbo

Saying they are affiliated with China is a half truth. It's a Chinese religious movement, Falun Gong. They are an anti-Communist party that hopes to unseat the governmental power and employ an alt-right Russian style religious rule over the country. Quote from Wiki...

"Falun Gong is entirely based around the teachings of its autocratic founder and leader: China-born Li Hongzhi.HZlrH4ByEo6o0j0p According to NBC News, to his followers, Li is "a God-like figure who can levitate, walk through walls and see into the future. His ultra-conservative and controversial teachings include a rejection of modern science, art and medicine, and a denunciation of homosexuality, feminism and general worldliness."[16] Hongzhi instructs his followers to downplay his controversial teachings when speaking to outsiders."

So really it's an anti-Chinese source that is closely affiliated with hard right movements over the world.

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Dr Cornel West.

He's my candidate right now. I'll hold off on final choice till closer to the election but he's my current top candidate.

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So, admittedly - when it's done during Presidential election years - it's simply a protest stoked by Republicans who hope to influence undecideds and swing voters - the ultimate flip floppers.

Ego maniacs and imbeciles like RFK Jr don't even qualify as Democrats by the time they decide to pitch a tent on the nomination trail, otherwise - no Democrats would ever cast a vote for Mr or Mrs X - the 3rd party candidate.

I'm good with protests, except when those protests go against intelligence and reason. Those tend to evolve into riots and insurrections and Patriots Saving America while battling the establishment and legally elected government they seek to protest.

No, that was never admitted.

Let's talk about the Democrats spending on backing alt right Republicans. This decades old tradition is part of a strategy of making sure the most extremist alt right candidates win. Every election cycle they pump millions of dollars into Republican primaries on extreme candidates hoping for easier times in the general election. The result many of the times is extremist candidates that they back go on to win the general election.

Here's a great example. There was this crazy businessman named Donald Trump who the Democrats thought would be an easy target in the 2016 election. So during the Republican primaries they poured hundreds of thousands of dollars of Super Pac ad revenues into the Trump campaign.

Then they dare tell the general public that they have no other choice but to vote for Democrats.

No thank you, the Democrats drive extremism for their own interests and if they get fucked over by it then that's on them, not on voters who will not pick the devil offered by the Dems.

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How come it is we only hear the calls for establishing a viable 3rd party, during those every 4th year general election cycle for US Presidency.

How come we never see third party candidates make much of a splash during the primaries, during off year congressional elections?

Because the major election cycles are the only times they get any press.

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It’s so terrifying that republican money pours into third party candidates.

You’re an idiot.

In my recent primary the Democrats poured money into the Republican candidate! Only the top two primary candidates are on the ballot and they didn’t want a progressive democrat against the established democrat in the general election, so half of the one candidates budget went to election ads for the Republican.

By the way, are you employed by the Democrats because it seems like it?

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