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Quote by SeaxThere was debate on which form the election process should get, and in the end, the choice was made for the electoral college. That much is true. However, that another choice would not have led to the foundation of the USA is pure speculation on your part. All the 13 states involved were working to create the union, and they probably would have anyway.
As Perry Mason used to say, "Irrelevant and immaterial". The national popular vote count has no place in our national election process. That process is set up per the Constitution and conducted on a state by state basis. The Constitution states just how many electoral college votes each state gets. The individual states get to decide how their electors are selected, and how they are required to vote, or not.
You can't say Trump is not the legitimate victor because he didn't win the popular vote. If the two campaigns were fighting over the popular vote, neither candidate would have ever set foot in New Hampshire, Vermont, Delaware or any of the other spots with low population. The election would have been about who won the most populous states, and that's where the campaign would have been fought out.
And that is why there's an Electoral College. Firstly to force someone to pay attention to the needs and desires of the smaller states. And secondly because without the compromise that set up the Electoral College, the smaller states would never have agreed to ratify the Constitution in the first place. Got it? No Electoral College -> no Constitution -> no United States of America.
The intention of the electoral collage however was, that the electors would decide independently and individually. Hamilton, one of the main designers of the electoral college says this about it in Federalist 68:
"It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations."
The winner takes all strategy, that was adopted when the constitution was already in place, clearly goes against that, because it turns the elector into mindless pawns of the majority and it eliminates their possibility to analyse, and takes away their choice. Two of the main architects of the electoral college, Hamilton and Madison, strongly objected to that, and even tried to amend the constitution to forbid it. To no avail. The result is, that the electoral college of today is not what the framers of the constitution had in mind, when writing the constitution. They wanted electors who were free to think, analyse and choose, not straw men who were legally bound to blindly follow the majority.
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Quote by lynnwittThat's when you use the water tap to fill it. Never tried it? Smart, because a friend of mine once did, and I think it actually held more than 25 liters when it burst in his mom's kitchen. I think you can imagine her reaction.....
Hm... is that 'before' or 'after' ??
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Quote by sundancer2004What's the wisdom. California also is the largest contributor to the country's treasury. Why should their votes weigh less, than that of states that contribute less? And what has this to do with apptobebad's post?
Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC. 62% to here 38%
Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.
Hillary won California 5,860,714 or so to Trumps 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1%, exclusive of the other candidates
So California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and the somewhat tower of pisa leaning press/media
Deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783 and deduct Trumps California vote from his national total, leaving him with 57,113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%
So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.
This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College to prevent the votes of any one heavily populated state from overriding the votes of the others.
