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Quote by patokl
Trump certainly knows the immigration status of the 64 new members of his Mar a Lago staff, for whom he was granted H2B visa last October. He still hires foreign workers, for jobs he claims he can't find Americans for. Yet since 2010, nearly 300 U.S. residents applied or were referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there, but only 17 were hired.

Over the same time period, 500 visas for foreign workers were filed at Mar-a-Lago.

In Palm Beach County, Tom Veenstra, senior director of support services at CareerSource, a job placement service, took issue with Mr. Trump’s contention that he could not staff his clubs with locals. “We have hundreds of qualified applicants for jobs like those,” he said.

After a report by Reuters in July about Mr. Trump’s use of guest workers, executives from Mar-a-Lago met with recruiters from Mr. Veenstra’s agency, promising to request local workers for 50 positions.

But Mar-a-Lago sent over just a single job request, for a banquet server. Mr. Veenstra said CareerSource referred four applicants to the club, and one of them got the job.

Since then, Mr. Veenstra said, “we haven’t received any other job orders.”



That nearly 300 workers were interview and only were hired doesn't surprise me. A new walmart in NC interviewed over 500 fro 140 jobs, they couldn't pass the drug test nor background investigation.

"a businessman does not succeed by paying more for less."
Quote by apptobebad


IMHO that sums him up to a 'T'. He doesnt give a shit about the supporters. His ego was really hurt when he realised that Hillary actually got more votes than him and therefore the 'popular vote'. He is still playing make believe and trying to convince himself that he is more popular. Poor deluded narcissist.

Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC. 62% to here 38%

Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.

Hillary won California 5,860,714 or so to Trumps 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1%, exclusive of the other candidates

So California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and the somewhat tower of pisa leaning press/media
Deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783 and deduct Trumps California vote from his national total, leaving him with 57,113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%

So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College to prevent the votes of any one heavily populated state from overriding the votes of the others.
Quote by patokl
More sincere politicians will try to practice what they preach though. Trump doesn't even try.


tell me when that works for you
Quote by Seax


Ok..... Let me see if I can clarify this for you.

When your doctor snaps on a glove, lubes up his fingers, shoves one up your behind and checks your prostate, that's healthcare.

When you're all done and cleaned up, except for the KY that never seems to stop leaking out of your violated posterior, you go to the front desk and the lady says the bill is $85.00 but your co-pay is only $10.00. That's health care insurance.

Glad I could help.


your right, I guess I don't have health care insurance, mine cost $15.00, think I shall go out and protest , perhaps burn a few buildings down and block traffic so someone in an ambulance cant get that pesky health care
Quote by sprite
You know, we can really stop debating this anytime now. the way things are going, in about another month, there's not going to be a lot to support. guy just seems to be hell bent on proving all his detractors right.


I hate to concur , but the phone tapping incident .............
Quote by Seax


The ability to shape the terminology of a debate is the ability to control the debate itself to a certain degree. And that's why people say "pro life" instead of "pro abortion", "gun safety" instead of "gun control".

And so it's important to keep in the front of our brains the fact that "The Affordable Care Act" (Obamacare) was not about healthcare, it was not about access to healthcare, it was about who paid for the healthcare accessed and how.

The Affordable Care Act was about healthcare insurance. So let's keep the discussion focused on that, shall we?



Of course it's abut health care! Your own statement: "The affordable Care Act is about "healthcare" insurance.

So let's keep focused ok?
Quote by hayley


Do you think it will ever change? What about Mark Zuckerberg for 2024 [Democrats]? I think Hillary reinvented for 2020.



Hillary, Put lipstick on a pic and call it a person?
Quote by apptobebad


IMHO that sums him up to a 'T'. He doesnt give a shit about the supporters. His ego was really hurt when he realised that Hillary actually got more votes than him and therefore the 'popular vote'. He is still playing make belive and trying to convince himself that he is more popular. Poor deluded narcissist.

Quote by patokl

For any person, businessman or not, who seriously believes, that work in America should lead to jobs for Americans, the composition of the workforce they'd be hiring by giving a contract, would be an important selection criterium. If Trump wasn't aware he was indirectly hiring foreign labourers, then he obviously didn't care about it then. The fact, that he still actively hires foreign labourers, in spite of the availability of qualified Americans, shows, that he still doesn't care. His statements about it obviously do not reflect his true feelings about it, they are only meant to gather votes and support, to get to and stay in the White House. All he wants to boost, are his power, his wealth, and his enormous ego, the rest is instrumental.


There isn't a politician alive that will not say what he thinks people want to hear to stay in office. Red, yellow black or white.


The almighty buck is the final say
Quote by amy1967


Sweetie? I think that patronizing and condescending way you talk to people who don't share your narrow view of the world pretty much sums up why no one takes you seriously. I have so much more faith in App's generation than I do in mine. Mine is the generation that's made a mess of things and handed the keys to the White House to a raving lunatic. It'll be her generation that comes in 4 or 8 years from now and rebuilds the political, social and economic infrastructure that's being torn down right now. I don't envy the task they face. The way things are going, it's going to be a fucking mess.



But, you really do not know that for a fact, because it has only been a few months. We have no choice but to sit back and watch. We were presented with a poor litter and had to choose the best.

Patronizing and condescending? It seems to me you very much describe your attitude to those that disagree with your opinion.
Quote by patokl

Where did I mention Obamacare? Of course it isn't perfect. If it were, America would not score so low in the ratings of health care quality and life expectancy. But at least Obama tried to make things better, Trump only promised to tear things down.
If Trump wants America great again (apparently he doesn't believe it's a great nation), he should start by making America healthy first.

"Availability of Medical Care" would be reference to Obamacare

Quote by apptobebad
oh dear..

Let me see if I can explain this so that you will understand.





You are absolutely right!! All those shootings of one American by another American count as one American being shot by another American. Well done.

Now, to say the facts are skewed, with no evidence to back it up really is a pretty poor argument..or one could say it is just your preconceived belief.






Point being your stats are from private research, a good reference not factual . These "research projects" are designed to reflect the beliefs of certain special interest groups, not the interest of the general public. Therefore, the facts are skewed. AS I said before Ruthis, You and I and several others could apply for funding to conduct research, granted funds and begin. Each of us, could if we so desired, include fact we wanted and conveniently ignore those that contest our perception. let me return the condescension. I hope I put this so you understand.......smile
Quote by Ruthie


"...culling out the herd?" If you talk like a Nazi you're going to be called out for it.


Nazi Germany was seeking a new world order consisting of white aryan nation with mass disposition of those of Israeli belief. No where in the Trump mishap is anyone calling for the extermination of a race. fact.

The stupid things people do that results in their early demise is culling out the herd, again not mass execution.
Quote by patokl

Excellently copied and pasted. But it says nothing about the correlation between crime rate and immigration.

What you and most people, reading these statistics do not realise, is that unlike native-born people, immigrants who come in contact with the criminal justice system, for instance because of a misdemeanor, are very likely to end up incarcerated for an undetermined period, before being deported and barred from returning. The ones who are rounded up by ICE are also incarcerated, until they can be deported. When you subtract those numbers from your statistics, they change significantly.

In fact, more than a century of studies have confirmed that immigrants are less likely to commit serious crimes or be behind bars than the native-born, and that high rates of immigration are associated with lower rates of violent crime and property crime. This holds true for both legal immigrants and the unauthorized, regardless of their country of origin or level of education. In other words, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are not “criminals” by any commonly accepted definition of the term.
(Yes, I've copied and pasted some too)

More about that (just a few of many):
- https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says
- http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fact-check-immigration-doesnt-bring-crime-u-s-data-say/
- https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/criminalization-immigration-united-states?utm_content=buffercf974&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
- https://www.policefoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Appendix-D_0.pdf


Patoki I do very much understand the system and how it works. I worked within the system. Your absolutely wrong, immigrants that interact with the CJ system are no less susceptible to incarceration than a native born. The incarceration is determined by the crime, not the status.

Agreed, the majority of immigrants are not Criminals. Except in the case of the Marial Boat lift. Given the history of Muslim belief that all who do not submit to the Koran are infidels and deserving of death, it would be a fair assumption that allowing large groups of "refugees" from a demonstrated radical muslim country, said refugees predominantly male with a lack of females, they will continue to espouse their radical beliefs.

Nothing wrong with pasting. I have pasted items from the Department Of Justice records with the hopes that those reading would research further. alas, in vain.

The confirmation study of immigrants being less likely to commit crimes was particularly germain to the late 18th and early 19th century, when they integrated themselves into society and embraced their new country. This is not so with this present influx from Muslim based countries. Nazi Germany intended "a new world order". Muslim belief intends to create "a new world order". One wanted white supremacy, the other religious supremacy . During the Criminal Gangs period in the States, many of those were run by immigrants, the same applies with LaCosta Nostra.

The Muslim believe in religious supremacy is no stranger to the United States. One only need U.S. History during the term of Thomas Jefferson.

You and I can conduct research on the same subject and be at opposite ends. Private research is a good reference, nothing more. It is a subjective opinion. besides that, I enjoyed reading you. Have a great Day.
Quote by hayley


We voted him into office because he was the best choice offered.

As in the last several elections we only have a choice of the best of a poor litter
Quote by Ruthie


"...culling out the herd?" If you talk like a Nazi you're going to be called out for it. do you even know what nazism was about.

Quote by apptobebad
oh dear..

Let me see if I can explain this so that you will understand.





You are absolutely right!! All those shootings of one American by another American count as one American being shot by another American. Well done.

Now, to say the facts are skewed, with no evidence to back it up really is a pretty poor argument..or one could say it is just your preconceived belief.
thank you, you just described yourself to a T.






Quote by apptobebad


Did you understand any of that? Would you like a hand with the big words?



Don't need any help sweetie, its obvious your part of the failed generation spawned by a failed generation that knows nothing of which they speak , you have all the answers , you just don't know the questions.
Quote by amy1967
President Trump introduces Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement office created out of the Department of Homeland Security.

Now if that isn't a chapter out of the Nazi playbook, I don't know what is. Well, there's demonizing the free "lying" press, putting cronies and Generals in high government positions, massive buildup of the military industrial complex, scapegoating the ills of society on minorities, the stated intention to beef up law and order to battle a non-existent rise in crime. But aside from all that, no fascism here.

Victims of Immigration Crime. Wow. Of course if he wanted to create a burueacracy dedicated to the victims of crime and help the most people, it'd be called the Victims of American on American Crime. But that's not Nazi enough, so let's put all in eggs in the "brown people are the root of all problems" basket instead. It feeds the racist Trump base and demonizes immigrants and, in his mind, legitimizes the trampling of the Constitution in the name of border security.

I've felt it for sometime, but I can safely say that as of right now, I'm horribly ashamed of my country and what's become of it in only 1 short month. I feel like crying.

But I won't cry. I will, with every fiber of my being, Resist!


Oh, and just in case you're curious about how dangerous outsiders are vs. our own domestic good old fashioned American on American crime:


The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003. The time period covered by these data vary because they reflect updates since GAO last reported on these issues in 2005. Specifically, in 2005, GAO reported that the percentage of criminal aliens in federal prisons was about 27 percent of the total inmate population from 2001 through 2004.
Based on our random sample, GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense. Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens. SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of GAO’s analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in the fifth state—New York—in fiscal year 2008.
GAO estimates that costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009; DOJ plans to update its SCAAP methodology for reimbursing states and localities in 2011 to help ensure that it is current and relevant. DOJ developed its reimbursement methodology using analysis conducted by the former Immigration and Naturalization Service in 2000 that was based on 1997 data. Best practices in cost estimating and assessment of programs call for new data to be continuously collected so it is always relevant and current. During the course of its review, GAO raised questions about the relevancy of the methodology. Thus, DOJ developed plans to update its methodology in 2011 using SCAAP data from 2009 and would like to establish a 3-year update cycle to review the methodology in the future. Doing so could provide additional assurance that DOJ reimburses states and localities for such costs consistent with current trends.
In commenting on a draft of this report, DHS and DOJ had no written comments to include in the report.
Highlights of GAO-11-187, a report to congressional requesters
Why GAO Did This Study
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated that as of fiscal year 2009 the total alien—non- U.S.-citizen—population was about 25.3 million, including about 10.8 million aliens without lawful immigration status. Some aliens have been convicted and incarcerated (criminal aliens). The federal government bears these incarceration costs for federal prisons and reimburses states and localities for portions of their costs through the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP). GAO was asked to update its April and May 2005 reports that contained information on criminal aliens. This report addresses (1) the number and nationalities of incarcerated criminal aliens; (2) the types of offenses for which criminal aliens were arrested and convicted; and (3) the costs associated with incarcerating criminal aliens and the extent to which DOJ’s methodology for reimbursing states and localities for incarcerating criminal aliens is current and relevant. GAO analyzed federal and SCAAP incarceration and cost data of criminal aliens from fiscal years 2003 through 2010, and conviction and cost data from five states that account for about 70 percent of the SCAAP criminal alien population in 2008. GAO analyzed a random sample of 1,000 criminal aliens to estimate arrest information due to the large volume of arrests and offenses. GAO also estimated selected costs to incarcerate criminal aliens nationwide using DOJ data, among other sources.
View GAO-11-187 or key components. For more information, contact Charles A. Jeszeck at or .
Quote by patokl
Bring back some military strength? America's military strength ranks highest in the world. http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp. Your nation has enough fire-power, to annihilate the population of the entire planet. Do you still need more?

In contrast to that, America is not even near the top 25 when it comes to the quality and availability of medical care for it's own people. It ranks 37th on the list of the WHO http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf, and only 50th in Bloomberg's life expectancy index http://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iNK1THx4aD20/v3/-1x-1.png.

If your president elect could bring some serious strength to your health care system, that would be a real improvement. So far, he doesn't even have a hint of a plan, other than to tear down the current system.


the obama care system is in shambles, it was presented in such a fashion that no one in congress even read it in its entirety . Of course it was the Democrats that passed it. The State of Kentucky is about to be bankrupt of health care as all agencies are pulling out. insurance premiums have soared for those persons that work for a living. Not sure about where you live Patokik but where I live, nothing presented as free is really free. Someone has to pay for it. To believe otherwise is a representation of ignorance.
Quote by amy1967
President Trump introduces Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement office created out of the Department of Homeland Security.

Now if that isn't a chapter out of the Nazi playbook, I don't know what is. Well, there's demonizing the free "lying" press, putting cronies and Generals in high government positions, massive buildup of the military industrial complex, scapegoating the ills of society on minorities, the stated intention to beef up law and order to battle a non-existent rise in crime. But aside from all that, no fascism here.

Victims of Immigration Crime. Wow. Of course if he wanted to create a burueacracy dedicated to the victims of crime and help the most people, it'd be called the Victims of American on American Crime. But that's not Nazi enough, so let's put all in eggs in the "brown people are the root of all problems" basket instead. It feeds the racist Trump base and demonizes immigrants and, in his mind, legitimizes the trampling of the Constitution in the name of border security.

I've felt it for sometime, but I can safely say that as of right now, I'm horribly ashamed of my country and what's become of it in only 1 short month. I feel like crying.

But I won't cry. I will, with every fiber of my being, Resist!


Oh, and just in case you're curious about how dangerous outsiders are vs. our own domestic good old fashioned American on American crime:


[/quoteGovernment statistics show that, except for some small blips, serious crime has decreased almost every year from 1994 through 2013. For over a decade Gallup has found that the majority of Americans polled believe crime is up, contrary to the fact that crime rates have plummeted in almost every small and large city since the 1990s. This is not to say that all cities and areas are experiencing decreases in violent crime year after year, but the overall rate of violent crime is significantly lower than historic levels.Brookings. The same trend is evident in the realm of “gun crime.” Per a Pew analysis of DOJ

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427758/careful-panic-violent-crime-and-gun-crime-are-both-dropping-charles-c-w-cooke
Quote by Ruthie


"...culling out the herd?" If you talk like a Nazi you're going to be called out for it.



When people are so ignorant as to cause their own demise and mis fortunes, mother natures way is to cull out the herd. I guess she is a "Nazi" also. Keep blindly following. Yes the man had a unfortunate choice of words, however the constitution ensures what you purport to fear will not come to fruition. in typical Liberal fashion , should one disagree with your opinion you label then a racist, nazi racist, mysoginist , or anything that conveniently come to mind. Should you make an effort to check, you would note your behavior was conspicuous by its absence from those that do not support your opinion.
Quote by MostPreciousLittle




so convenient to throw out those words, Nazi, racist, facist. When in fact, this country is no where near that nor will it ever be in the foreseeable future. Why is it that no one behaved so badly towards Obama? Stop parroting what others say because it fits you need of Political correctness, which means your ok with anyone as long as they are not offended by what you say , or your belief others should conform to your beliefs.
Quote by apptobebad
being shot by other americans includes a plethora of scenarios. Up to and including, armed robberies, assaults on persons with a dangerous weapon resulting in culling out the herd, criminals shot by authorities, ect etc. Your fact are skewed to reflect your preconceived belief.
Quote by Irresistibledesire
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I want to be completely cherished and completely used.


And that so talked about and claimed yet fleeting feeling as you both come at once. you feeling the molten white heat spurting as he feels that same liquid heat envelop his being within you
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Whew!! it must have been hot hot hot! lol
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