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Scarlet Seductress
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Anybody interested in / use / collect fountain pens? I've been collecting and using them for a few years now and occasionally pick up some nice antique pieces on eBay.

This being a writing site, I just thought I'd see if there was anyone else who enjoys shunning the sterility of the ballpoint for the artistic flair of a classic fountain pen. smile

If anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to try and answer them.

- What would be a good beginners pen?
- What is the difference is between all the available nib shapes and sizes?
- Is upgrading from a steel nib to a 14/18k gold nib worth the cost?
- Where do I start with bottled inks?
- What's the best way to clean a fountain pen?
- etc...

Scarlet Seductress
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My current favourite ink is Emerald of Chivor which is part of J. Herbin's 1670 line. In the UK you're looking at approximately £14 for a 50ml bottle.

As the name suggests it is a rich, vibrant emerald green base with amazing highlights created by suspended gold particles. It works especially well if you use a broad nib that puts a lot of ink down when you write.

Depending on the paper you are using the ink can show some outrageously gorgeous turquoise and red sheen. I absolutely love it.



Wild at Heart
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My current favourite ink is Emerald of Chivor which is part of J. Herbin's 1670 line. In the UK you're looking at approximately £14 for a 50ml bottle.

As the name suggests it is a rich, vibrant emerald green base with amazing highlights created by suspended gold particles. It works especially well if you use a broad nib that puts a lot of ink down when you write.

Depending on the paper you are using the ink can show some outrageously gorgeous turquoise and red sheen. I absolutely love it.






That is really beautiful.

The problem with fountain pens for me is that I make too many mistakes when I write. I'd go through 100 bucks worth of fancy paper before I get through a letter just right.
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Anybody interested in / use / collect fountain pens? I've been collecting and using them for a few years now and occasionally pick up some nice antique pieces on eBay.



- What would be a good beginners pen?
- What is the difference is between all the available nib shapes and sizes?
- Is upgrading from a steel nib to a 14/18k gold nib worth the cost?
- Where do I start with bottled inks?
- What's the best way to clean a fountain pen?
- etc...


If it's not too much trouble, I'd love some basic answers to some of these. I've had a few (very) cheap fountain pens over the years, but know very little about them.

My parents grew up dipping pens into inkwells on their desks, so I guess those aren't even "fountain" pens, just pens. At some point one of them found an old composition book, where you could see the ink getting fainter every few words until it was time to dip the pen again. Very cool.
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I have a few pens but all take cartridges. A couple are very expensive and some more ordinary. You can get turquoise ink in cartridges but it is not opalescent like Liz's ink. I probably would make a mess with a pot of ink.

I love writing with a fountain pen. It encourages you to be mindful of your writing. I save the broader nib for something like a special card or note and use a medium nib otherwise. It takes a little getting used to, but is worth the effort.

The looks you get from other people when you pull out and write with a fountain pen are interesting. It invariably brings a lot of questions.

How do you clean them properly?
Do you like filling the ink better than using cartridges?
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I love writing with a fountain pen and have about a dozen of them, although none of them are particularly posh. My favourite is a Sheaffer which has a very broad nib that is wonderfully smooth, although it does mean that letters end up taking up huge amounts of paper!

I also have a rule that I don't write with plain old blue or black ink. My Shaeffer is currently filled with sepia toned ink, and my best Waterman has ink that's a teal green. The Montblanc that He got for my birthday last year has an italic nib, and that one is usually filled with deep violet ink.

That ink with gold particles is truly beautiful, ink to lust after. I daren't start looking at yet more expensive things to collect though, as my perfume habit has a serious risk of bankrupting me already, and that's before I've started on my perilously expensive habit of crochet, knitting and embroidering with the most expensive pure silk threads.
Scarlet Seductress
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If it's not too much trouble, I'd love some basic answers to some of these. I've had a few (very) cheap fountain pens over the years, but know very little about them.

My parents grew up dipping pens into inkwells on their desks, so I guess those aren't even "fountain" pens, just pens. At some point one of them found an old composition book, where you could see the ink getting fainter every few words until it was time to dip the pen again. Very cool.


Sure, no problem. smile

Dip pens are where it all started back in the day. Due to the impracticalities of using them, they are only useful now for calligraphy, drawing, and the only reason I use them, trying out new inks! It saves a lot of hassle cleaning if you can just dip a nib to try out an ink colour and then rinse it off afterwards.

Cartridge pens are very popular, but I've found that you have a very limited number of ink colours available to choose from which takes a lot of the fun out of it. You can, however, use a cartridge converter which is like a refillable cartridge. You stick one in your pen, then wind the mechanism which moves a plunger and draws ink up through the nib and feed. If you're going to buy one of these, make sure beforehand that it will fit your pen. They are not all the same size and some pen manufacturers have proprietary connectors.



The other types of fountain pen are eye droppers, which are basically hollow inside and you use an eyedropper or syringe to fill them. (Hint: Make sure you rub a little silicone grease around the threads to prevent leakage), and those with a built-in filling system like piston or vacuum pens. The advantage of these pens over cartridge pens is that they have a much greater ink capacity.

Good beginners pens depends entirely on budget. You can pick up a Jinhao Chinese-manufactured pen for a few dollars on eBay. They're not a bad pen for general writing needs. If you want something a little better you might want to consider a Lamy Safari or Pilot Metropolitan - those would both run you somewhere in the region of $15-30.

Personally, I love demonstrator pens. That refers to any pen that is transparent. I love to see the ink sloshing around inside, lol. If that is your kinda thing, you won't go wrong with any of the TWSBI pens. They're fantastic and relatively cheap starting at around $30 for the Eco model.



Nib types are entirely personal preference - it just depends on your particular style of writing. I prefer a broad nib because it just suits me better. It puts a thicker line down on the paper for a more bold script. One tip I read was to write a lowercase 'e'. If the ink bleeds into the top loop so that it is filled in, you need to use a finer nib. As for gold nibs, they just offer a little more flex and are great for adding a little line variation to your writing. They are an expensive option and I would only recommend upgrading for a fairly substantial pen. Steel nibs work perfectly well and cost pennies.



As for inks, lots of pen retailers sell sample bottles of 5ml if you like to try a lot of different shades without spending big sums of money on numerous full bottles. Diamine are a very popular British manufacture of fountain pen inks which can be purchased anywhere in the world, including the states. A bottle of their ink would set you back about $15. Noodlers is a U.S. brand of similar pricing but have some exceptional inks available. One of my personal favourites is Apache Sunset (image below). If you really get into it and what to try out some super pricey stuff, check out manufacturers like Caran d'Ache and Pilot Iroshizuku.



When it comes to cleaning your pen, some are easy to maintain and others are a pain. The TWSBI pens all completely disassemble making it a doddle to take them apart and give them a flush through. Others will only allow you to put out (friction fit) or screw out the nib and feed. Those you just need to rinse under the tap until they run clean. Use some kitchen towel on the nib to draw the remaining water out of the pen and then you're ready to refill it. As with cleaning and maintaining anything, YouTube is your friend. You can find videos of people cleaning just about every pen ever made on there. Some people insist on you using distilled water or pen flush solutions, but it's not really necessary unless you live in a very hard-water area.

Sorry if this was overkill. I got in the pen zone.

L x
Scarlet Seductress
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My latest pen purchase was a Karas Kustoms Fountain K in turquoise blue.

Gorgeous precision machined aluminium pen designed and manufactured in the USA. As well as the wicked anodised colours, Karas Kustoms also offer the pen in copper and brass versions which patina over time as you use them. Very cool!

Little bit more expensive than those mentioned above. I think I paid about £60 for mine, but hey, it's cheaper than a drug habit. smile

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Wow! Thank you! You've inspired me to go to my local stationery /art supply store when I have a chance.
Alpha Blonde
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That Emerald of Chivor is so pretty! I haven't really used fountain pens before. I lose pens constantly, and I also have the handwriting of a serial killer, so I've never really wanted to call attention to my scrawl. Those ink shades though...
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We actually use quills at Hogwarts! I played around with fountain pens when I was a teenager, trying to do calligraphy, but the results were laughable. It takes a special hand to use a fountain pen cleanly and artistically, unless you were born in the Nineteenth Century and used them every day out of necessity. More power to you if you get beautiful results. I can't seem to do it.
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I used to sell Fountain Pens - Mont Blanc are my favourite along with a British Pen - Yard of Led - made entirely from silver - i have a Mont Blanc pen worth £1200 and another Mont Blance FP worth £350 - i also have a Cartier pen - I think a nice fountain pen makes a person write better not so much because of the pen but psychologically because they are using a nice pen
Gravelly-Voiced Fucker
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Really interesting thread, even if I have nothing to add. I promise you, if I tried to use a fountain pen, there woiuld be ink everywhere: the paper, the table, the floor, me, the cats. But it is nice to see so many enamored by the process of hand-writing done carefully and beautifully.

My Mom always told me my handwriting looks like spiders. I'm not even sure what that means. But it sounds about right.
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Quote by Liz

This being a writing site, I just thought I'd see if there was anyone else who enjoys shunning the sterility of the ballpoint for the artistic flair of a classic fountain pen. smile


I always use a fountain pen. I started off with a Cross I got for my birthday, but I squashed the nib. Even though they are cheap I like Lamy fountain pens. Easy to hold and they take Parker cartridges. I have about six of them in different colours (and inks).

My collection is worth about 75p
Una chica rubia caliente
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, but hey, it's cheaper than a drug habit. smile



Actually... it is a drug habit. I have always used a fountain pen and own many more than I need (I have the same problem with guitars). Fountain pens just make writing easier and more fluid and allow one to be more expressive. I also like the variety of ink colors one can use.

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I love old fountain pens and ink jars--had an old schooldesk in my bedroom as a child, it had an actual inkwell.

That said, the pen that is with me almost all my waking hours is a Fisher Space Pen with a stylus on one end and a ballpoint on the other.

Engraved with my name, it is crazy useful to have a pen that will write no matter what position the pen itself is in--if you've ever tried to use a regular pen, of any kind, to write a note on a piece of paper while the paper is against a wall (so the pen is perpendicular to the wall, you know how much that sucks. Since Fisher pens are pressurised, I can scribble notes or sign off on whatever without having to find a level surface, which is very, very useful.
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I collect and use fountain pens daily. I have about 20. They range from cheap steel nibbed Esterbrooks to a lacquered Namiki. My all time favorite is my Grandfather's Sheaffer lever fill that he got for his High School graduation. It is a little delicate though. He used it all his life. My daily favorite is either an Omas or a ivory colored Waterman. I like a pen with a bit of weight and reasonable girth (appropriate for a site such as this). I prefer medium to broad nibs as I like the expressive line you can generate. I don't have neither a Mont Blanc nor a Parker. Odd isn't it?

I prefer Japanese inks (Pilot Iroshizuku or similar). Admittedly, I have never used the opalescent inks.

If you are ever in Tokyo, you want to go to Itoya! Pen porn! Seattle pen is also very cool.

The only thing I would add to Liz's excellent commentary is that an ultra sonic cleaner is good for annual (or beyond) deep cleans. I typically only have one pen full of ink at a time. Sometimes I switch; sometimes I refill. I could use a single pen for 6 months depending upon my mood.
Scarlet Seductress
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Picked up a bottle of Kyo-No-Oto Imayouiro ink yesterday. At £20 for a 30ml bottle it is eye-wateringly expensive for a super premium Japanese ink, but is it ever pretty!



Her Royal Spriteness
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What's a pen?

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Scarlet Seductress
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What's a pen?


It’s like that pencil except it doesn’t smell as pretty.
Her Royal Spriteness
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It’s like that pencil except it doesn’t smell as pretty.


i could make your pens smell pretty if you ask nicely. ;)

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Scarlet Seductress
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i could make your pens smell pretty if you ask nicely. ;)


Ooo, new story idea! Blondie and the Mont Blanc. biggrin
Scarlet Seductress
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Managed to get my hands on a bottle of 'Skull and Roses' which is a Diamine ink exclusive to a German distributor. What a sheen monster.



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love at first sight?

Say. Her. Name.


The Linebacker
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I have a couple of expensive fountain pens at home (Waterman), and I have some sets of calligraphy pens, but never at the office. At work, I have to wear suits, and I wear tailored, monogrammed white dress shirts. I am not taking a chance on ruing those with ink. I do have several very nice steel ballpoint pens. Cartier, Cross, Baron and other brands make very nice engravable ballpoint pens that are perfect for the office.
Active Ink Slinger
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I have up using ball points in favor of a fountain pen because my handwriting was deteriorating terribly. I use a Parker pen I inherited from my grandmother and use Waterman Serenity Blue ink
Active Ink Slinger
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Whoops, I meant to say I have given up using ball points
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Great post- I love fountain pens. I have collected and sold them for many years. Range of pens from Montblanc, vintage Waterman and Parker, Dunhill, Cartier, Omas, Aurora, Visconti and Montegrappa. I love the feel of an old vintage bladder pen but the convenience of a newer Montblanc is very pleasing too- currently write with a medium nib Montblanc Diplomat.
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Whoops, I meant to say I have given up using ball points


Same here. Mostly. Rollerball/gel pens are much more enjoyable to write with, but I do love fountain pens the most. I don't use them for carrying around, though.
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I'm a Parker 51 kind of guy, they write beautifully, the older the better.