I know I'm quite new to the community here, and this is a bit of a heavy topic...I apologise for that.
We are fortunate to have two beautiful children aged 6 and 3. That in itself at one point didn't seem at all likely as my wife had 3 early miscarriages before we had our eldest. We always wanted 3 children, we're both from families with 3 children in. Getting pregnant has taken a long time every time for my wife...so we were thrilled when she eventually did this time. She had a miscarriage again though earlier this week...but at 11 weeks this time. The scan was due to be on Tuesday.
How have others on here dealt with the pain and grief of miscarriage? In particular, I'd like to hear from other men. My wife has been given lots of support from both the medical profession and from her friends. When I've told friends and family they have all expressed lots of concern for my wife...as they should...however no-one has said much to me. I know us men are particularly bad at saying how we feel, and it's probably my own fault, but I get the impression that people expect me not to really be affected by this.
Big-haired Bitch/Personality Hire
I know you wanted to hear from men, but if it helps, my mom had several miscarriages before she and my dad made the decision to adopt (me). The decision was made after many, many complications led to her needing to undergo a hysterectomy.
It's always been something she's had trouble talking about, although she says it has gotten easier over the past few years.
My dad, on the other hand, has never had trouble discussing it, which he often did/does when my mom couldn't/can't. My dad and most of his friends all got married within years of each other, so fatherhood was just one more thing they thought they'd experience together. He said after the first 2 miscarriages, he stopped even mentioning to them when my mom got pregnant. But they were good friends, so they knew he was down and he eventually opened up. He had a support system much like the one you describe with your wife. His friends always told him that they know he'd be down for a while, but if he felt himself falling deeper into the pit, give them a call. My dad said that it was great to share the burden with someone besides my mom (because they're both going through it) and with someone that they could trust.
No one ever really knows what to say to someone going through these things besides all of the cliche things you expect to hear. I'm not sure what your friendship situation is, but my dad always says that just knowing he could share the burden with someone other than my mom was what helped him through it. Shared strength really goes a long way. As I said, I'm not sure what your friendship situation is, but is there someone(s) that you trust enough to completely open up to about this? It can be as simple as saying exactly what you've just shared with everyone when you started this topic.
As far as people expecting you not to be affected by this, I doubt that's the case. I will say that people are probably expecting you to be the brave one (stigma attached to being the man in the relationship, which isn't going anywhere anytime soon). If you're putting on a brave front, people are gonna believe it and stand in solidarity with you. It does take guts to say 'Hey, I'm hurting too, I can use an encouraging word or two!' But ultimately if you appear as if you're holding it together nicely, then you're not gonna get much more than the cliche words of encouragement.
Your wife probably gets the brunt of the attention because she's dealing with the physical as well as the emotional toll of the miscarriages. But it absolutely does not mean that no one cares about how you're being affected in all of this.
Someone simply asking you how you were feeling or holding up was them expressing their concern, so answer honestly. It's really the only way.
"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall
Thank you Dani. Taking the time to write all that means a lot to me. It's difficult to know how to respond when asked "how are you?" or "are you ok?". I'm guessing we've all been in the situation where we've asked similar questions to others and been answered perhaps more honestly than we anticipated. I think you're right though...I probably do need to properly open up to someone I trust and stop thinking about what people think about me.
Apologies as I am obviously not a man!! But I am have been supporting a couple, both dear friends of mine who have suffered 5 miscarriages in the past 3 years. Although I am very concerned about both of them it is actually the husband who I am more worried about. The wife is very open about what she is going through, physically and treatment wise and is incredibly strong, pragmatic and determined to have a healthy baby eventually. Whereas it has been very hard to gauge how the husband is feeling and he has not been able to talk about it. Because of the pressure of this, he has recently been off work with anxiety and depression. This has actually been positive as its given him time to spend with supportive friends like myself. Even if he doesn't want to talk, its vital he knows that we all care, and are just as concerned about him as we are about his wife.
Maybe when people ask about your wife, they are asking about you both implicitly, but can see you find it difficult to talk about it. My heart goes out to you and your wife at this devastating time. Thinking of you both.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to a random stranger...I really appreciate it. Don't apologise for not being a man! I'm not exclusively looking for the male perspective.
I completely agree with Dani. I had a miscarriage a couple years ago. For the most part, I was the one that got the attention. Though thankfully we hadn't told a lot of people, there were still a few who knew. Of course, we both put on a stoic face and gave the trite, 'it was meant to be' response to who ever asked. I'm sad to say, though we went through it together, my husband didn't get the support that he should have. What's even worse is that I didn't give him that support.
So, please ask for it. Find friends that you can confide in. I guarantee you that someone you know has been through this, it is wide spread. Most every woman will loose a baby at one time or another. Also don't be afraid to open up to your wife. Yes it's the "role" of the man to be the pillar of strength. But you're hurting too. You can cry together, and I'm sure she will appreciate knowing that you're just as hurt by this and she's not doing it alone.
It will get easier over time. You will still hurt. I miss that baby that never was. But as time passes and I look into the eyes of my perfect son, the pain eases.
My heart goes out to you and your wife, and though you might feel like it, you're not alone.
Mama.
I feel like the latecomer here, but as a guy I felt it was important to speak up.
My wife and I had a miscarriage about a year ago. We have one child and were way way excited to have kid 2. We were 10 weeks or so in, and we went in for the first ultrasound to find a gestational sac and a correctly-sized little one, but with no heartbeat.
We were both heartbroken to say the least. I happened to be on my OB/GYN rotation at the hospital at the time, and despite being surrounded by women in various stages of growing and birthing babies, I think it was helpful. There were a lot of reminders around, obviously, of what happened to us, but at the same time it was heartening to know that many of these women had a history of miscarriages and were now having perfectly healthy babies. It is kind of surprising how many women do have a miscarriage (or multiple); we all probably know several people who have had them; it's just one of those things that most people don't talk about.
As far as advice goes... I dunno dude. You have to deal with it in your own way, because it's SUCH a personal experience. I'm a helper by nature, so I was happy to be there and be strong for my wife, and that helped me get through it. Others may have to do some writing, yelling, sports, crying or running nekkid through the woods. Find what feels cathartic to you and do it.
It has been about 24 years ago when Issa became pregnant and was near 12 weeks when she miscarriage. It was probably the most difficult thing ever to go thru she was completely distraught and I was not able to express any feelings to her about it. Then 10 years ago my step-daughter had one and after finding out from my wife it all flooded back to me. My dad said well your mother always had issues, but nothing of this magnitude because she never wanted any more children. I was so mad that he could say "its no big deal" I just hung up the phone. My wife knew little about Issa, but knew I was angry and after telling her of the hurt I'd held for so long I realized how Issa had felt. There was a female we knew who had a child by her uncle that was never healthy and would have been born around The same time as our child. She has talked some about it over the years with me, but it took me forever to talk openly. That was what ended us and I feel that my inability to talk to her caused it. Its a very sad part of my life that I never will get back.
I am at present supporting my daughter through a miscarriage. I am not sure that any woman fully gets over it, in many ways that baby will always be precious to its mother however early along in her pregnancy she is.
We lost our baby about the same time. It was almost a physical blow that seemed to tear something from me in the moment. But the distress my wife was going through, compounded by the insensitivity of the ultrasound technician, took over. I had to flip into man mode to try and support her.
What should have been an exciting experience, seeing and hearing the little one growing up a storm, was ruined. I'm more pragmatic than most, and my focus became protecting our other child from the loss.
Our doctor was really great, researching some resources for us and making sure we were okay. My boss too was surprisingly good. Most other people who knew were full of unhelpful platitudes, which, perhaps unfairly, felt insincere. So we kept it from everyone else. That doesn't feel right either.
Plenty of Small Bump by Ed Sheeran and a few tears, and for the most part, I'm just trying to get on with it. But I still deeply miss my child.
My latest story is a racy little piece about what happens when someone cute from work invites you over to watch Netflix and Chill. Mark,
I'm truly sorry to hear this.
Have you thought if a support group, maybe even online?
Or in person.
Or talking to a therapist?
I have no clue as to what you are feeling, but I'm assuming it's more difficult because there was no closure.
You feel raw about it, understandably so.
Or write in a notebook everyday.
I hope you find some peace and healing, if only a little.
I had a son at 18 and daughter at 24. From the time I was 30 until 39 I had 6 miscarriages. I was convinced I was never going to have any more children. Something happened when I turned 40. Maybe a hormone change because surprise I got pregnant and had a daughter. Then twin sons and finally another daughter.