Have you come out to family/parents?

10 Dec 2013

Quote by trinket

let's see... what? why would I have knowledge of anyone intervening with what?

Nope I don't recall where I included you in some accusations, if you would like to refresh my memory, i'm happy to apologise if i did or said something wrong, seriously.

What has it got to do with me if you were suspended without warning once? I had no hand in it so why even bring it up, what's your point? I haven't ever made a complaint about you so what is your point here?

you might not have run to a mod before because little felix didn't call you a slut on a forum did he? Would you have sat back and said nothing if it had happened to you?

i'm comfortable with the fact that I'm not clueless about any of it really. Ok, so now, I'm going to be told that i'm a smartarse, and it's 'all in how you react to certain things' etc etc etc.....

There was absolutely nothing in your post that had anything to do with ME. or did I miss something?

This whole thing has become a farce

Just so you know ... I responded to this but Xuani deleted it. (Not before she commented though)

10 Dec 2013

Quote by AngelHeart01

Really? What if you had a son?

A good question, I have to talk with my wife about that too. I would accept it because I love all my children.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by NightMan
Boy you sure opened A can of worms up this time. The pages are going to fill up now. I agree with your thoughts though. I don't find it annoying though just senseless. I think ( & this is just my opinion which I'M entitled to despite your objections ) that most of the coming out is just due to lack of attention. Most(but not all) are obviously gay & when people try to ignore it they become insulted. IE;I want some attention & I'M not getting it.With others it's guilt I'M not happy lying to people. I want to get it out & over with. As for myself I find no need to tell people I'M Bisexual My personal life is none of there business. and I really don't care what they think. I have plenty of obvious faults that they can belittle I don't need my sex life to fuel for their folly. If you would like to know what I find annoying it's people that have the nerve to come out & ask you about your sex life. Are you Gay? Just the term is annoying. It's supposed to mean happy.look at my picture you can see I'M not A person that smiles a lot. I reply to that question. No why did you ask, Do I look happy to you? The last thing I'M going to interject is, No I'M bisexual. A statement that will get you rejection from both Homosexuals & Heterosexuals. That's rite straits are not the only one's who are bigoted,their just more likely to admit it.I just can't wait to hear all the shit I'M going to hear about this statement.ETyjq0kIRw1kObqV Let me just say this in advance

So back to the thread at last.
Firstly I want to make sure that I am only refering to gay men. I don't purport to speak for lesbians or bisexuals as I am a gay man.

You won't get all the shit, just a bit of it.
The big problem for gay men is that we are all seen as stereotypical but that couldn't be further from the truth!
The vast majority of gays are the average Joe but they sleep with another average Joe, there's no difference to a straight guy except which sex we sleep with. You see I am that guy, nothing outrageous and loud, nothing to make me stand out from the crowd, not stunning but not ugly. I'm the guy that you pass in the street without noticing. I am nothing out of the ordinary unless you talk to me.
I don't crave attention, although some do but so do some str8's.
I was well passed the guilt, I wanted to be honest with friends and family but it didn't go down well in my case! Why did I do it you may ask? Well I was fed up of living a lie.
The bisexual angle has been dealt with in other threads but I will admit that I was shocked and annoyed that gays did disciminate. What came to mind war people in glass houses.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by NickiC

Oh no you don't. Keep your paws off my sexy.

Thanks for sharing your stories and opinions. I did learn from them.

Well we've skinnydipped and slipped into bed naked together, soooo I was just thinking, I know a lovely little place in Menton. What about 3some

Only a suggestion, sort of a test drive.
Embarassed

10 Dec 2013

Quote by dpw

So back to the thread at last.
Firstly I want to make sure that I am only refering to gay men. I don't purport to speak for lesbians or bisexuals as I am a gay man.

You won't get all the shit, just a bit of it.
The big problem for gay men is that we are all seen as stereotypical but that couldn't be further from the truth!
The vast majority of gays are the average Joe but they sleep with another average Joe, there's no difference to a straight guy except which sex we sleep with. You see I am that guy, nothing outrageous and loud, nothing to make me stand out from the crowd, not stunning but not ugly. I'm the guy that you pass in the street without noticing. I am nothing out of the ordinary unless you talk to me.
I don't crave attention, although some do but so do some str8's.
I was well passed the guilt, I wanted to be honest with friends and family but it didn't go down well in my case! Why did I do it you may ask? Well I was fed up of living a lie.
The bisexual angle has been dealt with in other threads but I will admit that I was shocked and annoyed that gays did disciminate. What came to mind war people in glass houses.

I have found this to be the case most often. In my line of work I do tend to see more flamboyance but it is not the norm.

10 Dec 2013

I have not 'come out' to my Mom or my sister. My sister I think knows and just pretends she don't and as far as that goes it could be the same for my mom. My husband knows and typical of him he is thrilled and wants to 'watch'. I have always appreciated the female form and the male form. The socially accepted way to be was female and male so I suppose that is what I pursued openly. However in the past 5 years I have discovered that I would really love to get to know the side of me that was always suppressed and not surprisingly I have my husbands full support. I have had a minor relationship with a very liberal gay rights female and it scared me away from it all on top of that I also struggle with the fact that I took vows with my husband.
My children I am sure know as well however I do not think they understand what it all means. I do not like people to push and pull at me about anything in my life and this subject is so touchy on two levels for me that it is difficult for me to understand what is considered normal or just crazy. I guess it's a start but now I am 'out' to total strangers.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by Moonbaby
I have not 'come out' to my Mom or my sister. My sister I think knows and just pretends she don't and as far as that goes it could be the same for my mom. My husband knows and typical of him he is thrilled and wants to 'watch'. I have always appreciated the female form and the male form. The socially accepted way to be was female and male so I suppose that is what I pursued openly. However in the past 5 years I have discovered that I would really love to get to know the side of me that was always suppressed and not surprisingly I have my husbands full support. I have had a minor relationship with a very liberal gay rights female and it scared me away from it all on top of that I also struggle with the fact that I took vows with my husband.
My children I am sure know as well however I do not think they understand what it all means. I do not like people to push and pull at me about anything in my life and this subject is so touchy on two levels for me that it is difficult for me to understand what is considered normal or just crazy. I guess it's a start but now I am 'out' to total strangers.

If only Lush had existed when I slipped out, hell the internet didn't exist way back then!
Now the bit where I get lambasted and if I'm wrong I'll deserve it.
I think lesbians are more outraged with bi womem than gay men are with bi men. Maybe it has changed but that's how it was in my experience.
I won't advise because you have to decide what you want to do. It is all a balancing act and often ends as the "least worst".
Apologies but your husband's reaction was so funny, it must be a dream for some men, all their fantasies come true in one go.

10 Dec 2013

I am glad you found it funny. Not many do.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by She

It is most probably just me, but I read this as I have to be apologising because am not gay. Unfortunately, there are dark clouds above gay people, I personaly blame institution of religion for it. However, if you think about it, being gay in physical, reproductive way is out of ordenary and people in general don't do well with out of ordenary, unfortunately.
I don't know how it is to be gay, but I believe that every each of us has something out of ordenary that was needed to be said to family. I, for instance, have told them that I don't want children, will not have them and will not be married, specially not in white dress with all the fuss around it. This was my personal comming out to my parents, you have something else, that is who you have sex with and luckaly for you, you are not the only one who feels attraction to the same gender, so you can if you want to have feeling that you belong somevhere, even though that is being gay.
I don't know how it feels to be black, however, I traveled enough that I know that being white is same as being black.

how did what i said make you feel you have to apologize for anything? that's silly. unless you are a bigot or practice discrimination, you have nothing to apologize for. i have never, once, asked anyone to feel bad because they are not gay. i am simply stating a very real point. no one can really know how it feels to be (insert minority here) unless they are a member of that minority. yes, you may have a very good idea, you may empathize, but it's not the same thing.

some examples: i grew up in a predominately black neighborhood. i think the N word is abhorant and have heard it, not as rap slang, but as a racial epithet far too often in my life. it makes me very angry to hear it used. that said, i don't feel the same hurt, the same anger, that a black man or woman would feel if it was used against me. that said, i can empathize, having been called nasty names due to my sexual orientation. it's different, but close enough to understand. and yes, each of us may very well have something out of the ordinary about them, but most of us won't be shunned by a large section of society for that - i am sure that, were you to tell people at a party that you didn't want to have children, no one would suddenly walk away from you in discomfort, call you names, or tell you that you are an abomination against god. that stuff happens. not often, at least not in my experience, of where i've lived, but it does, and in some parts of the country, it happens more often then you'd think.

and no, being black is not the same as being white. yes, in some places, it is, but in many it is not, and i am speaking from experience. travel the United States. being a minority of any kind is not the same as white. hell, just read the headlines, and you'll get the picture.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

10 Dec 2013

Quote by Magical_felix

I didn't answer your PM you sent me where you were screaming about being annoyed that I had a white girlfriend and how I don't need to mention that. That was an example I used in a thread to illustrate a point of instances where people think you are shoving something down their throats. Like interracial relationships. I was empathizing in a way of what it must feel like (to a lesser degree) when a gay person brings their boyfriend or girlfriend home to their family. Sometimes parents are like, "here we go... Madison is bringing her boyfriend Juanito home for christmas. Why does she always have to ruin the holidays!"

This email, Jack...where I'm screaming? My apologies to the OP and the original question of this thread, in advance.

It's a pretty well known fact that I'm a bit of an instigating asshole myself. But even I know when to shut shit down and take a break... You, on the other hand always pour a tanker truck of gasoline on top of any little ditch fire (which you've usually also started), while you stand back, arms folded haughtily... giggling like the 13 yr old delinquent you appear to be.

You are boring as fuck, Jack. An unoriginal boring fuck.

The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

11 Dec 2013

Wow, it seems another storm erupted while I was gone.... a LOT of posts have been deleted.... and THE first time I've EVER seen only a select few posts deleted from a thread. Not a few, a select LOT of posts deleted. Another thing that was never done for me even when I asked for it.

Deleting only certain posts on a thread? you see something new every day......

11 Dec 2013

I guess this has to be said again:

Quote by LadyX
Okay, gang. Let's take this fun party elsewhere and return the thread to it's original subject please. If anyone needs to discuss forum conflicts further, please do so by sending me a PM. I'll respond promptly. Otherwise, the show is over. Anything further off topic will be deleted.

The bickering and drama is getting old. Enough already. Read the bold writing, anything off topic will be deleted.

11 Dec 2013

Quote by sprite

how did what i said make you feel you have to apologize for anything? that's silly. unless you are a bigot or practice discrimination, you have nothing to apologize for. i have never, once, asked anyone to feel bad because they are not gay. i am simply stating a very real point. no one can really know how it feels to be (insert minority here) unless they are a member of that minority. yes, you may have a very good idea, you may empathize, but it's not the same thing.

some examples: i grew up in a predominately black neighborhood. i think the N word is abhorant and have heard it, not as rap slang, but as a racial epithet far too often in my life. it makes me very angry to hear it used. that said, i don't feel the same hurt, the same anger, that a black man or woman would feel if it was used against me. that said, i can empathize, having been called nasty names due to my sexual orientation. it's different, but close enough to understand. and yes, each of us may very well have something out of the ordinary about them, but most of us won't be shunned by a large section of society for that - i am sure that, were you to tell people at a party that you didn't want to have children, no one would suddenly walk away from you in discomfort, call you names, or tell you that you are an abomination against god. that stuff happens. not often, at least not in my experience, of where i've lived, but it does, and in some parts of the country, it happens more often then you'd think.

and no, being black is not the same as being white. yes, in some places, it is, but in many it is not, and i am speaking from experience. travel the United States. being a minority of any kind is not the same as white. hell, just read the headlines, and you'll get the picture.

Your posts have made me think more. Thank you. I don't know what it is like to be transsexual. I empathize but it is not the same. Thinking some more and adjusting my views.

11 Dec 2013

Quote by dpw

If only Lush had existed when I slipped out, hell the internet didn't exist way back then!
Now the bit where I get lambasted and if I'm wrong I'll deserve it.
I think lesbians are more outraged with bi womem than gay men are with bi men. Maybe it has changed but that's how it was in my experience.
I won't advise because you have to decide what you want to do. It is all a balancing act and often ends as the "least worst".
Apologies but your husband's reaction was so funny, it must be a dream for some men, all their fantasies come true in one go.

My gay male friends could care less. But I find again it is older lesbians who have issue. I am friends with a good many here and they get it. I think bisexual men have it worse though. Aragon says he didn't skinny dip. Long lost twin.

11 Dec 2013

Quote by Callisto
I guess this has to be said again:

The bickering and drama is getting old. Enough already. Read the bold writing, anything off topic will be deleted.

soooo...come here often?

11 Dec 2013

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11 Dec 2013

Quote by Callisto
I guess this has to be said again:

The bickering and drama is getting old. Enough already. Read the bold writing, anything off topic will be deleted.

What upsets me perhaps more than anything else here, is the sense of fairness which has flown right the fuck out of any windows around this site.

Nicola used to delete the entire offending remarks by every party in any flame war of a fuck storm thread. That's not done anymore. In fact I don't recall it being done like that for quite awhile. The result is you have people like me who are quite fucking pissed off.

At people I formerly regarded as pretty good friends.

And little fucking sniveling shit stirrers who only use this site to agitate for their own amusement. You leave HIS and others remarks in various threads all over the place.

Nicola didn't used to run this place this way.

And of course this thread post will be deleted too.

The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

11 Dec 2013

Quote by WellMadeMale

What upsets me perhaps more than anything else here, is the sense of fairness which has flown right the fuck out of any windows around this site.

Nicola used to delete the entire offending remarks by every party in any flame war of a fuck storm thread. That's not done anymore. In fact I don't recall it being done like that for quite awhile. The result is you have people like me who are quite fucking pissed off.

At people I formerly regarded as pretty good friends.

And little fucking sniveling shit stirrers who only use this site to agitate for their own amusement. You leave HIS and others remarks in various threads all over the place.

Nicola didn't used to run this place this way.

And of course this thread post will be deleted too.

11 Dec 2013

Quote by NickiC

My gay male friends could care less. But I find again it is older lesbians who have issue. I am friends with a good many here and they get it. I think bisexual men have it worse though. Aragon says he didn't skinny dip. Long lost twin.

Ok if the skinny dip is out is slipping into bed naked still on the table? Embarassed

I think bi women are more open to the possibility of a same sex relationship than bi men. I get the idea that most bi men just want the sex with no real emotional involvement.
Now with my history of sex it might seem a bit two faced but at least I didn't carry on with it. I suppose some gays think bi's are closet gays and in some cases, although by no means all, that's true.

12 Dec 2013

Quote by dpw

Ok if the skinny dip is out is slipping into bed naked still on the table?

I think bi women are more open to the possibility of a same sex relationship than bi men. I get the idea that most bi men just want the sex with no real emotional involvement.
Now with my history of sex it might seem a bit two faced but at least I didn't carry on with it. I suppose some gays think bi's are closet gays and in some cases, although by no means all, that's true.

That is the thing. You are right. Very briefly I dated a bi guy and he was like me. But he began to gravitate to women more because the men usually wanted him to say he was gay and he wasn't. But it was usually older men not younger men. I have discovered that many of the issues including coming out tend be a little generational.

Oh no the twin is into you. He's yours.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by sprite

how did what i said make you feel you have to apologize for anything? that's silly. unless you are a bigot or practice discrimination, you have nothing to apologize for. i have never, once, asked anyone to feel bad because they are not gay. i am simply stating a very real point. no one can really know how it feels to be (insert minority here) unless they are a member of that minority. yes, you may have a very good idea, you may empathize, but it's not the same thing.

some examples: i grew up in a predominately black neighborhood. i think the N word is abhorant and have heard it, not as rap slang, but as a racial epithet far too often in my life. it makes me very angry to hear it used. that said, i don't feel the same hurt, the same anger, that a black man or woman would feel if it was used against me. that said, i can empathize, having been called nasty names due to my sexual orientation. it's different, but close enough to understand. and yes, each of us may very well have something out of the ordinary about them, but most of us won't be shunned by a large section of society for that - i am sure that, were you to tell people at a party that you didn't want to have children, no one would suddenly walk away from you in discomfort, call you names, or tell you that you are an abomination against god. that stuff happens. not often, at least not in my experience, of where i've lived, but it does, and in some parts of the country, it happens more often then you'd think.

You see, it strikes me every time few things. One of them is how people think their problem is biggest one and show lack of compassion for others. You being gay, claiming how rough time you are having but in the same breath diminishing my comming out. I am not 16 anymore so I don't tell random people about my personal decisions, but yes I was called names, I have been told to visit professional help because it is unnatural for women not want kids, not to mention religious moments in all that. But I guess, I understand now, if you cannot see and sympathise with other people's differences, of course you cannot accept the fact that someone can.

Quote by sprite
and no, being black is not the same as being white. yes, in some places, it is, but in many it is not, and i am speaking from experience. travel the United States. being a minority of any kind is not the same as white. hell, just read the headlines, and you'll get the picture.

I was not referring my statement on american slavery, being black doesn't necessarily always mean that, heck even black don't know how it is to be American Black. So lets say in my world where was no slavery and when I traveled around I learned that being white is same as being black, in every different culture you can always feel in minority.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by She

I was not referring my statement on american slavery, being black doesn't necessarily always mean that, heck even black don't know how it is to be American Black. So lets say in my world where was no slavery and when I traveled around I learned that being white is same as being black, in every different culture you can always feel in minority.

Your decision not to have children is just that, a decision. You could always change your mind at a later date. If you'd said that you were in love with somebody that wanted children and you were unable to have them that would be slightly nearer to a gay coming out but again you could always adopt.
I am gay, it's not a decision I made, nature did that for me! I could have lived a lied and played straight but I would've been miserable for the whole of my life. The only decision a gay man or woman makes is whether to live openly or not.
The black issue is nothing to do with this thread, black people do not come out as being black! The only thing I would say is that quite often a black gay guy has it a lot tougher when they come out, that's only what I've seen and heard from guys I've known.
So remember what you said was your choice, me being gay wasn't mine!

14 Dec 2013

Quote by dpw

Your decision not to have children is just that, a decision. You could always change your mind at a later date. If you'd said that you were in love with somebody that wanted children and you were unable to have them that would be slightly nearer to a gay coming out but again you could always adopt.
I am gay, it's not a decision I made, nature did that for me! I could have lived a lied and played straight but I would've been miserable for the whole of my life. The only decision a gay man or woman makes is whether to live openly or not.

Correct it was my choice, but coming out is coming out, beside in some latest researches it has been proven that being gay is a choice. As soon as I will find time I will dig around internet, but you can do that as well.
I have said this before in the forum, I lived my whole life in believe (and still do) that human race is bisexual. You are getting attracted to a person not to their genitals. I labeled myself here first time in my life as straight because I have never been with a woman, yet. I did that because when I had my bisexual sign up, ladies were comming quite strong on me, and I wanted to avoid that. I see now, that people around Lush have option not to lable themselves, I just need to find that.

Quote by dpw
The black issue is nothing to do with this thread, black people do not come out as being black! The only thing I would say is that quite often a black gay guy has it a lot tougher when they come out, that's only what I've seen and heard from guys I've known.
So remember what you said was your choice, me being gay wasn't mine!

Someone made comparison in this thread, so we are going back and forward with it, beside if it is true that being gay it is not choice, than that comparison should be working in your case.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by She

You see, it strikes me every time few things. One of them is how people think their problem is biggest one and show lack of compassion for others. You being gay, claiming how rough time you are having but in the same breath diminishing my comming out. I am not 16 anymore so I don't tell random people about my personal decisions, but yes I was called names, I have been told to visit professional help because it is unnatural for women not want kids, not to mention religious moments in all that. But I guess, I understand now, if you cannot see and sympathise with other people's differences, of course you cannot accept the fact that someone can. .

yep, that's me in a nutshell. i am the least compassionate person alive. btw, i wasn't claiming that i have it rough. i was saying that gay people in general have it rough - homosexuals are, in the US at least, the only minority group who aren't granted the same rights as the rest of the population. also, i never belittled your coming out. i simply said that, as a rule, your issue isn't treated the same way by most of the population as being gay. you do realized that some men are beaten and even killed simply for being gay, right? it's a very real fear. some teens are thrown out of the house and disowned. you can read into whatever you wish of what i said, that's your choice. just be aware that it's your interpretation of my words rather then what i've actually said. sorry for, once again, pushing my gay agenda in, of all places, the LGBT forum on Lush.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by She

beside in some latest researches it has been proven that being gay is a choice.

total BS. please, if you're going to post such blatant disinformation, back it up with facts, and no, that doesn't mean an opinion piece by someone with an agenda.

for those interested in scientific FACT, please read further:

For an evolutionary biologist, homosexuality is something of a puzzle. It’s a common trait, found in up to 10% of the population. It appears to be run in families, suggesting that it is hereditary, at least in part. And yet it defies the very reason why traits are passed on from generation to generation. How could something that hinders childbearing be passed down so frequently from parents to children?

Researchers at the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis (NIMBioS) think they may have an answer. It’s not in written in our DNA sequence itself, they suggest, which explains why scientists have failed so far to find “gay genes,” despite intensive investigations. Instead, it’s written in how our genes are expressed: that is, in certain modifications to how and when DNA is activated. These changes can have environmental roots, so are not normally permanent enough to be passed from parent to child. But occasionally, they are.

“It’s not genetics. It’s not DNA. It’s not pieces of DNA. It’s epigenetics,” says Sergey Gavrilets, a NIMBioS researcher and an author on the paper that outlines the new theory of homosexuality, published in The Quarterly Review of Biology. “The hypothesis we put forward is based on epigenetic marks,” he says.

To be specific, the new theory suggests that homosexuality is caused by epigenetic marks, or “epi-marks,” related to sensitivity to hormones in the womb. These are compounds that sit on DNA and regulate how active, or inactive certain genes are, and also control when during development these genes are most prolific. Gavrilets and his colleagues believe that gene expression may regulate how a fetus responds to testosterone, the all-important male sex hormone. They further argue that epi-marks may help to buffer a female fetus from high levels of testosterone by suppressing receptors that respond to testosterone, for example, (thus ensuring normal fetal development even in the presence of a lot of testosterone) or to buffer a male fetus from low levels of testosterone by upregulating receptors that bind to the hormone (ensuring normal fetal development even in the absence of high levels of testosterone). Normally, these epi-marks are erased after they are activated, but if those marks are passed down to the next generation, the same epi-marks that protected a man in utero may cause oversensitivity to testosterone among his daughters, and the epi-marks that protected a woman in utero may lead to undersensitivity to testosterone among her sons.

Read more: New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality | TIME.com http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/new-insight-into-the-epigenetic-roots-of-homosexuality/#ixzz2nSVBBoKi

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by sprite

total BS. please, if you're going to post such blatant disinformation, back it up with facts, and no, that doesn't mean an opinion piece by someone with an agenda.

I don't get it, why blatant? Being gay is not a bad thing, its nothing special, it is just who you are attracted to and have sex with. Of course there is really bad history how gay people were treated and still are in certain places of the world but is 'just' about sex, it is nothing wrong mentally, emotionaly or physicaly about gay people. And as said before as soon as I will find time, I will search for documents I read while ago about being gay is not DNA issue but a choice. And of course that doesn't mean just an oppinion with someone with agenda, but a scientific document.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by She

I don't get it, why balant? Being gay is not a bad thing, its nothing special, it is just who you are attracted to and have sex with. Of course there is really bad history how gay people were treated and still are in certain places of the world but is 'just' about sex, it is nothing wrong mentally, emotionaly or physicaly about gay people. And as said before as soon as I will find time, I will search for documents I read while ago about being gay is not DNA issue but a choice. And of course that doesn't mean just an oppinion with someone with agenda, but a scientific document.

i have a particular problem with people claiming homosexuality is a choice because what you end up seeing are people claiming to be able to de-gay or de-program gay people which does a lot of harm. and i never said it was anything special. it just is. it's also not sinful nor evil or wrong, something many can't get their heads wrapped around.

looking forward to hearing your proof. until then, sorry, homosexuality is not a choice. seriously, as i've said before, if it was, wouldn't those who are persecuted for it choose to be straight?

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by sprite

i have a particular problem with people claiming homosexuality is a choice because what you end up seeing are people claiming to be able to de-gay or de-program gay people which does a lot of harm. and i never said it was anything special. it just is. it's also not sinful nor evil or wrong, something many can't get their heads wrapped around.

looking forward to hearing your proof. until then, sorry, homosexuality is not a choice. seriously, as i've said before, if it was, wouldn't those who are persecuted for it choose to be straight?

Yeah! I'm choosing stright. Do you want to come to my going back in party! Big Hugs

She's lost the plot.

14 Dec 2013

Quote by She

I don't get it, why blatant? Being gay is not a bad thing, its nothing special, it is just who you are attracted to and have sex with. Of course there is really bad history how gay people were treated and still are in certain places of the world but is 'just' about sex, it is nothing wrong mentally, emotionaly or physicaly about gay people. And as said before as soon as I will find time, I will search for documents I read while ago about being gay is not DNA issue but a choice. And of course that doesn't mean just an oppinion with someone with agenda, but a scientific document.

Please believe me on this point, there is no credible scientific study that proves homosexuality is a choice. It's not because I and many thousands if not millions of gays would have chosen it. It is naive to say we have a choice because that means all heterosexuals also had a choice and they could choose to be gay!

14 Dec 2013

Quote by dpw

She's lost the plot.

Is this about me? If so, please if you have something to say about me say it to me. I will not tolerate this kind of a childish behaviour, especially on this very serious matter.
And I didn't lose the plot. We are all here defending our views with arguments and examples, we are all learning constantly and our views if our mind is open enough can be changed. Very serious shit, to me at least.