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Quote by stephanie
Totally (kinda) off-topic...
Of course, Time Machines don't really exist. Although I did once date a girl who over-dosed on the Morning-After pill and woke up in 1865.
(You can have that one!)
xx SF
It's not a time machine, Steph, they use 'worm holes'. But I am wary of time travel. What if all of you got transported except your penis? That worries me. I already have a hard enough time keeping up with my cell phone and car keys. It would be really bad to leave my penis back at The Battle of Agincourt or something. To think what an errant English arrow could do to it? Yikes!
Quote by Buz
What if all of you got transported except your penis?
Honey Dawg, YOU KNOW I LOVE YOU? And SO VALUE your support, Old Friend...
But YOU KNOW people READ this shit???
*WHY WOULD YOUR PENIS NOT BE TRANSPORTED????*
Imagine:
"Walter? We did that time machine thing you asked for... We tested her, works great... SMALL PROBLEM... It won't transport genitalia... It's a GLITCH, we're working on it... I mean, feet, eyes, kidneys, NO FUCKING PROBLEM!!! The COCK is not really happening... We're working on it this weekend... It was my daughter's first birthday but fuck it... We think it's a Fusion Capacitor Demi-Flux issue with the confibulating nexus-five recharger... We'd hired a Bouncy Castle too..."
xx SF
ACTUALLY...
WHAT WOULD THAT BE LIKE???
"Initializing Time Travel..."
KERZZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOM!
"Did it WORK? Is Dr. Mathews gone back to The Paeolithic Era???"
"Well... Most of him... Seems he left his DICK here..."
Gingerbread Lover
Quote by nicola
Funny you should say that. I spoke to a Primary School teacher a while ago, and she said that glitter was "the syphilis of the craft world".
Arty-farty people like to live dangerously. I'm okay with that.
Ut incepit fidelis, sic permanet.
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Unicorn Wrangler
Quote by RejectReality
The person who has done the time-traveling is always going to be out of sync. If they're not at least reflecting on the differences between their time period and the one where they are, then what's the point of it being time-travel at all? Once you start doing that, the focus isn't on the past, it's on the sci-fi aspects.
The only way I see it remaining focused on the past is if the time-traveler isn't the POV character, and the time-travel aspects only appear at the end as a twist. BTTF 3 told from Clara's perspective.
You are making assumptions on stories that have yet to be written. I asked if it could be possible, but you and a few others seem to be all hung up on the time traveling element and nothing else. I've read a few stories where this plot device of getting them into the past is quickly dealt with and then... the rest of the story is about their being in the past. They don't have any "modern technology" screwing things up from the past nor do they do anything that makes it obvious they are from the future because the character (and the writer) are not idiots.
Please note... I never said anything about time machines (someone else said that.) I asked about time-travel. I never said HOW it would occur. It could be an enchanted piece of clothing, a special stone, a doorway, a vortex, a wormhole, or a hundred other things. And sure... it could be the twist at the ending too. So... I guess what I'm saying is before you completely shoot down an idea... you know what the person is talking about. A few others understood my idea... my thought.
I also know Nicola has the final say. If she says no... then it's over and I'll move on. It was a suggestion about an element within this potential new category. Nothing more.
Wild at Heart
Quote by NymphWriter
Please note... I never said anything about time machines (someone else said that.) I asked about time-travel. I never said HOW it would occur. It could be an enchanted piece of clothing, a special stone, a doorway, a vortex, a wormhole, or a hundred other things.
The category that already exists is Fantasy & Sci-fi.
Time machines are Sci-fi.
Enchanted panties, magical beans, or fairy stones that would allow you to travel through time would definitely be fantasy.
Quote by NymphWriter
You are making assumptions on stories that have yet to be written. I asked if it could be possible, but you and a few others seem to be all hung up on the time traveling element and nothing else. I've read a few stories where this plot device of getting them into the past is quickly dealt with and then... the rest of the story is about their being in the past. They don't have any "modern technology" screwing things up from the past nor do they do anything that makes it obvious they are from the future because the character (and the writer) are not idiots.
Please note... I never said anything about time machines (someone else said that.) I asked about time-travel. I never said HOW it would occur. It could be an enchanted piece of clothing, a special stone, a doorway, a vortex, a wormhole, or a hundred other things. And sure... it could be the twist at the ending too. So... I guess what I'm saying is before you completely shoot down an idea... you know what the person is talking about. A few others understood my idea... my thought.
I also know Nicola has the final say. If she says no... then it's over and I'll move on. It was a suggestion about an element within this potential new category. Nothing more.
How we COMPLICATE things...
Here's my
I think that a Time Travel story COULD, (if obviously taking place in the past...) be posted under HISTORICAL. That is, IF THE OBVIOUS ACCENT OF THE STORY CONCERNS HISTORICAL DETAIL RATHER THAN THE MECHANICS (?) OF THE TIME TRAVEL PROCESS ITSELF...
Indeed, if THAT SAME STORY were posted in Sci-Fi it might disappoint readers who were looking for a more of a WILLIAM GIBSON hit... (Look it up!)
(A TIME TRAVEL story set IN THE FUTURE is SCI-FI, NO QUESTION!)
Ultimately and AS ALWAYS if there is a QUESTION about category placement it will be resolved by the experienced and capable Story Mod Team who do that sort of thing every day.
(So WE don't have to worry our talented little heads about it!!!) All WE have to do is WRITE.
Thank you. I am STEPHEN, VOICE OF REASON...
(Available for After Dinner speeches...)
xx SF
Unicorn Wrangler
Quote by stephanie
How we COMPLICATE things...
Here's my
I think that a Time Travel story COULD, (if obviously taking place in the past...) be posted under HISTORICAL. That is, IF THE OBVIOUS ACCENT OF THE STORY CONCERNS HISTORICAL DETAIL RATHER THAN THE MECHANICS (?) OF THE TIME TRAVEL PROCESS ITSELF...
Indeed, if THAT SAME STORY were posted in Sci-Fi it might disappoint readers who were looking for a more of a WILLIAM GIBSON hit... (Look it up!)
(A TIME TRAVEL story set IN THE FUTURE is SCI-FI, NO QUESTION!)
Ultimately and AS ALWAYS if there is a QUESTION about category placement it will be resolved by the experienced and capable Mod Team who do that sort of thing every day.
(So WE don't have to worry our talented little heads about it!!!) All WE have to do is WRITE.
Thank you. I am STEPHEN, VOICE OF REASON...
(Available for After Dinner speeches...)
xx SF
Thank you Stephen for being the voice of reason.
You understand what I'm trying to communicate. As I had stated before... if Nic give this an absolute NO... then fine. I appreciate you actually reading & understanding my suggestion. 
Wild at Heart
Quote by stephanie
How we COMPLICATE things...
Here's my
I think that a Time Travel story COULD, (if obviously taking place in the past...) be posted under HISTORICAL. That is, IF THE OBVIOUS ACCENT OF THE STORY CONCERNS HISTORICAL DETAIL RATHER THAN THE MECHANICS (?) OF THE TIME TRAVEL PROCESS ITSELF...
Indeed, if THAT SAME STORY were posted in Sci-Fi it might disappoint readers who were looking for a more of a WILLIAM GIBSON hit... (Look it up!)
(A TIME TRAVEL story set IN THE FUTURE is SCI-FI, NO QUESTION!)
Ultimately and AS ALWAYS if there is a QUESTION about category placement it will be resolved by the experienced and capable Mod Team who do that sort of thing every day. (So WE don't have to worry our talented little heads about it!!!) All WE have to do is WRITE.
Thank you. I am STEPHEN, VOICE OF REASON...
(Available for After Dinner speeches...)
xx SF
Okay so what about a story where Joan of Arc travels through a worm hole in the back of a church and ends up in 2015. The story would be about her, a historic figure and not really about the time machine... We'll just call the wormhole a miracle. By the power of a miracle she travels through time.
Or better yet how about Joan of Arc uses miraculous time travel to see where she will be captured by the English and avoids burning at the stake and instead goes and loses her virginity somewhere? Would this story go under Historic? Or would that now be fantasy?
Remember that the category is Fantasy & Sci-Fi. Not just Sci-fi. Or would miracles be considered supernatural? Because that's a category too.
A writer could argue that if a modern day person traveling back in time counts as historic than a historical figure traveling to our time should count too if the main character is the historic figure.
Blackbird Supernova
Quote by Magical_felix
Okay so what about a story where Joan of Arc travels through a worm hole in the back of a church and ends up in 2015. The story would be about her, a historic figure and not really about the time machine... We'll just call the wormhole a miracle. By the power of a miracle she travels through time.
Or better yet how about Joan of Arc uses miraculous time travel to see where she will be captured by the english and avoids burning at the stake and instead goes and loses her virginity somewhere? Would this story go under Historic? Or would that now be fantasy?
Remember that the category is Fantasy & Sci-Fi. Not just Sci-fi. Or would miracles be considered supernatural? Because that's a category too.
A writer could argue that if a modern day person traveling back in time counts as historic than a historical figure traveling to our time should count too if the main character is the historic figure.
Fantasy for sure. Miracles aren't necessarily fantasy but so far, time travel is. Also, by historical definition, it is a fantasy that Joan of Arc did any time traveling.
Her Royal Spriteness
Quote by Magical_felix
Okay so what about a story where Joan of Arc travels through a worm hole in the back of a church and ends up in 2015. The story would be about her, a historic figure and not really about the time machine... We'll just call the wormhole a miracle. By the power of a miracle she travels through time.
Or better yet how about Joan of Arc uses miraculous time travel to see where she will be captured by the English and avoids burning at the stake and instead goes and loses her virginity somewhere? Would this story go under Historic? Or would that now be fantasy?
Remember that the category is Fantasy & Sci-Fi. Not just Sci-fi. Or would miracles be considered supernatural? Because that's a category too.
A writer could argue that if a modern day person traveling back in time counts as historic than a historical figure traveling to our time should count too if the main character is the historic figure.
where are Bill and Ted when you need them?
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
Don't FUCK with me Hun I'm really good at this...
(They didn't FIRE me because I'm shit, Jack!!!) *LAUGHS!*
xx SF
Quote by Magical_felix
Okay so what about a story where Joan of Arc travels through a worm hole in the back of a church and ends up in 2015. The story would be about her, a historic figure and not really about the time machine... We'll just call the wormhole a miracle. By the power of a miracle she travels through time.
That's Supernatural/FANTASY/Sci-Fi by virtue of the fact that the PRIMARY ACCENT of the piece IS NOT HISTORICAL.
Or better yet how about Joan of Arc uses miraculous time travel to see where she will be captured by the English and avoids burning at the stake and instead goes and loses her virginity somewhere? Would this story go under Historic? Or would that now be fantasy?
AGAIN that's fantasy BECAUSE THE PRIMARY ACCENT OF THE IDEA is NOT historical but Supernatural/FANTASTICAL.
Remember that the category is Fantasy & Sci-Fi. Not just Sci-fi. Or would miracles be considered supernatural? Because that's a category too.
Miracles go under SUPERNATURAL/Fantasy/Sci-Fi.
A writer could argue that if a modern day person traveling back in time counts as historic than a historical figure traveling to our time should count too if the main character is the historic figure.
Incorrect. The IMPLICATION of an HISTORIC category is that we are dealing with a time that is PRE-NOW... Anything else again is Supernatural/Fantasy/Sci-Fi...
(They didn't FIRE me because I'm shit, Jack!!!) *LAUGHS!*
xx SF
Testing The Waters.
If it's magical rather than technological, it's Fantasy rather than Sci-Fi. Not much difference there.
My hang-up isn't in getting there. You could remove that completely, and the time-displaced character still isn't going to be a historical character. The moment they're a fish-out-of-water because they're from a different time, it's no longer a historical piece. That's the focal point of the story, which makes it Sci-Fi or Fantasy.
This type of story would be accepted in the Sci-Fi & Fantasy categories by the readers without question. The modern man/woman in the past is more than sufficient to scratch that itch even if you never say how they got there.
Even if you do write something where it's accepted that the time-travel is incidental to the story ( which, again, I see no reason to include the time-travel element at all, if that's the case. Replace the time-traveler with someone from a far-away land, and you have the same story with zero fantasy or sci-fi elements. ) you open a giant can of worms for the mods.
That would be especially true if the Historical category is more popular than the Sci-Fi and Fantasy categories. Most time-travel stories would have no place whatsoever in the historical category, and yours is going to present a "but, this!" for people to complain.
My hang-up isn't in getting there. You could remove that completely, and the time-displaced character still isn't going to be a historical character. The moment they're a fish-out-of-water because they're from a different time, it's no longer a historical piece. That's the focal point of the story, which makes it Sci-Fi or Fantasy.
This type of story would be accepted in the Sci-Fi & Fantasy categories by the readers without question. The modern man/woman in the past is more than sufficient to scratch that itch even if you never say how they got there.
Even if you do write something where it's accepted that the time-travel is incidental to the story ( which, again, I see no reason to include the time-travel element at all, if that's the case. Replace the time-traveler with someone from a far-away land, and you have the same story with zero fantasy or sci-fi elements. ) you open a giant can of worms for the mods.
That would be especially true if the Historical category is more popular than the Sci-Fi and Fantasy categories. Most time-travel stories would have no place whatsoever in the historical category, and yours is going to present a "but, this!" for people to complain.
Good Will ---|--- Three Alarm <= Both almost famous, give them a read and get them one step closer!
Wild at Heart
Quote by RavenStar
Fantasy for sure. Miracles aren't necessarily fantasy but so far, time travel is. Also, by historical definition, it is a fantasy that Joan of Arc did any time traveling.
I agree, it's fantasy.
On the flip side of the coin, logic would say that anyone traveling to the past is also a fantasy. So let's say the story is about a time traveller that by whatever plot device you want - a miracle, a time machine, fairy stones or whatever - wakes up during Joan of Arc's campaign against the English. Let's say the whole story takes place in the past but the traveller is definitely from our time. The fact that he is from our time definitely has to come in to play at one point during the story or else what is the point of the time travel? Maybe he warns Joan about her capture? Maybe he knows modern military strategy? Maybe he teaches her that the men of the future like to eat a girl's ass? Something. Something will have to come into play to justify the time travel element.
Now is that historic? Or is that fantasy?
Wild at Heart
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where are Bill and Ted when you need them?
In San Dimas!
Wild at Heart
Quote by stephanie
Don't FUCK with me Hun I'm really good at this...
(They didn't FIRE me because I'm shit, Jack!!!) *LAUGHS!*
xx SF
Don't call me hun... haha
(Just copying and pasting my response to RavenStar because I knew you would say fantasy, I think it's fantasy as well.)
I agree, it's fantasy.
On the flip side of the coin, logic would say that anyone traveling to the past is also a fantasy. So let's say the story is about a time traveller that by whatever plot device you want - a miracle, a time machine, fairy stones or whatever - wakes up during Joan of Arc's campaign against the English. Let's say the whole story takes place in the past but the traveller is definitely from our time. The fact that he is from our time definitely has to come in to play at one point during the story or else what is the point of the time travel? Maybe he warns Joan about her capture? Maybe he knows modern military strategy? Maybe he teaches her that the men of the future like to eat a girl's ass? Something. Something will have to come into play to justify the time travel element.
Now is that historic? Or is that fantasy?
Quote by Magical_felix
(Just copying and pasting my response to RavenStar because I knew you would say fantasy, I think it's fantasy as well.)
I agree, it's fantasy.
On the flip side of the coin, logic would say that anyone traveling to the past is also a fantasy. So let's say the story is about a time traveller that by whatever plot device you want - a miracle, a time machine, fairy stones or whatever - wakes up during Joan of Arc's campaign against the English. Let's say the whole story takes place in the past but the traveller is definitely from our time. The fact that he is from our time definitely has to come in to play at one point during the story or else what is the point of the time travel? Maybe he warns Joan about her capture? Maybe he knows modern military strategy? Maybe he teaches her that the men of the future like to eat a girl's ass? Something. Something will have to come into play to justify the time travel element.
Now is that historic? Or is that fantasy?
VALID POINT... Let's look ONCE AGAIN at the nuance of category.
The FACT that the story is MAINLY CONCERNED with a PAST historical situation and setting cites the story in the THE HISTORICAL CATEGORY.
Story Mods do this every day... It's NUANCE... (Erotic Poem or Love Poem???) They call it and in my time and indeed in my experience since, 99.9% of the time that crew call it right.
xx SF
*EDIT!* *GIGGLE!*
Wild at Heart
Quote by stephanie
The FACT that the story is MAINLY CONCERNED with a PAST historical situation and setting cites the story in the THE HISTORICAL CATEGORY.
But so was my example of Joan of Arc traveling in time within the dates of her English campaign but you called that fantasy. That story is mainly concerned with a past historical situation and setting. That story would have even less of the present day in it because there wouldn't even be a time traveller from our time in it. Everything would be as you say, concerning the past but you called it fantasy.
Paradox... The scourge of time travel plots.
Quote by sprite
where are Bill and Ted when you need them?
They're in the BAR with those Little Guys from Terry Gilliam's 'TIME BANDITS'...
But I honestly don't think they'd be much help with this query...
This kind of ask needs a serious response from somebody who knows how the site works.
xx SF
Quote by Magical_felix
But so was my example of Joan of Arc traveling in time within the dates of her English campaign but you called that fantasy. That story is mainly concerned with a past historical situation and setting. That story would have even less of the present day in it because there wouldn't even be a time traveller from our time in it. Everything would be as you say, concerning the past but you called it fantasy.
Paradox... The scourge of time travel plots.
Let's try this again...
IF WE ARE TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT Joan of Arc travelling in time and then changing her own history then we are in the realms of fantasy.
(It's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!)
Think about it?
(The FOCUS then is NOT on the historic setting but on Joan's FANTASTICAL journey in order to CHANGE her own history and so then the ACCENT is surely on that element?)
This is frankly a sophistic argument... (Tell them, Liz...)
xx SF
Matriarch
I know you two clowns will like this Joan of Arc reference:
Is everyone high or on something today? I guess it is Saturday ... Personally, I'm enjoying a rather crafy Pinot Noir.
Bottoms up.
Is everyone high or on something today? I guess it is Saturday ... Personally, I'm enjoying a rather crafy Pinot Noir.
Bottoms up.
Wild at Heart
Quote by stephanie
Let's try this again...
IF WE ARE TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT Joan of Arc travelling in time and then changing her own history then we are in the realms of fantasy.
(It's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!)
Think about it?
(The FOCUS then is NOT on the historic setting but on Joan's FANTASTICAL journey in order to CHANGE her own history and so then the ACCENT is surely on that element?)
This is frankly a sophistic argument... (Tell them, Liz...)
xx SF
How does a time traveller not change Joan of Arc's history in the example I gave you earlier that you said would be placed in the historic category?
Quote by Magical_felix
On the flip side of the coin, logic would say that anyone traveling to the past is also a fantasy. So let's say the story is about a time traveller that by whatever plot device you want - a miracle, a time machine, fairy stones or whatever - wakes up during Joan of Arc's campaign against the English. Let's say the whole story takes place in the past but the traveller is definitely from our time. The fact that he is from our time definitely has to come in to play at one point during the story or else what is the point of the time travel? Maybe he warns Joan about her capture? Maybe he knows modern military strategy? Maybe he teaches her that the men of the future like to eat a girl's ass? Something. Something will have to come into play to justify the time travel element.
Now is that historic? Or is that fantasy?
To that you said...
Quote by stephanie
The FACT that the story is MAINLY CONCERNED with a PAST historical situation and setting cites the story in the THE HISTORICAL CATEGORY.
You're contradicting yourself.
Quote by stephanie
This is frankly a sophistic argument...
By me or you? ;)
(This is just interesting to me Stephenie and you're fun to discuss things like this with)
Wild at Heart
Quote by nicola
Is everyone high or on something today? I guess it is Saturday ... Personally, I'm enjoying a rather crafy Pinot Noir.
I will be indulging in a decent red blend in about 5 hours... After that, time travel will no longer be discussed. Time travel and paradoxes make my brain confused.
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I will be indulging in a decent red blend in about 5 hours... After that time travel will no longer be discussed. Time travel and paradoxes make my brain confused.
We JOUST, JEST and JOKE, New Friend...
I'm EX-TEAM now BUT I still have the WELFARE of our site and members CLOSE to heart. (As we all should!!!)
STEPHANIE can be a bit of a trial...
(STEPHEN is more considered and much shyer than you'd think...)
xx SF
But still usually SPOT ON right.
Unicorn Wrangler
Quote by stephanie
VALID POINT... Let's look ONCE AGAIN at the nuance of category.
The FACT that the story is MAINLY CONCERNED with a PAST historical situation and setting cites the story in the THE HISTORICAL CATEGORY.
Story Mods do this every day... It's NUANCE... (Erotic Poem or Love Poem???) They call it and in my time and indeed in my experience since, 99.9% of the time that crew call it right.
xx SF
*EDIT!* *GIGGLE!*
There are stories all over this site that can be classified as fantasy, sci-fi, supernatural, BDSM, and much more but the AUTHOR chose to put it where he/she did. No one questions these stories and why they are where they are at. We saw this challenge with the amazing This is Hardcore comp we just had not too long ago. There were many debates about what was hardcore & what was more BDSM. I'm sure some of the stories could easily fit in either category without a problem.
Yet... have some minor time travel and it seems everyone looses their shit. Okay... not everyone... but damn.
Steph hit the nail on the head when he said these are NUANCES. If you get so hung up on one minor plot device... then you've got a bigger problem. Someone earlier said if the story focus was about someone "fucking Cleopatra"... then it would work. If someone went to change the past... it would not. If your hang-up is how they got there... let the authors... and maybe the Mod who takes the time to verify the story address that. Not some critic.
Testing The Waters.
I'm honestly not trying to be a dick. This is a feedback thread about creating a new category, and I'm just trying to articulate my opinion on it.
I don't see the need to muddy up the waters of a Historical category with Sci-Fi&Fantasy when there are already two categories for those stories.
I don't see the need to muddy up the waters of a Historical category with Sci-Fi&Fantasy when there are already two categories for those stories.
Good Will ---|--- Three Alarm <= Both almost famous, give them a read and get them one step closer!
Wild at Heart
Quote by NymphWriter
There are stories all over this site that can be classified as fantasy, sci-fi, supernatural, BDSM, and much more but the AUTHOR chose to put it where he/she did. No one questions these stories and why they are where they are at. We saw this challenge with the amazing This is Hardcore comp we just had not too long ago. There were many debates about what was hardcore & what was more BDSM. I'm sure some of the stories could easily fit in either category without a problem.
Yet... have some minor time travel and it seems everyone looses their shit. Okay... not everyone... but damn.
Steph hit the nail on the head when he said these are NUANCES. If you get so hung up on one minor plot device... then you've got a bigger problem. Someone earlier said if the story focus was about someone "fucking Cleopatra"... then it would work. If someone went to change the past... it would not. If your hang-up is how they got there... let the authorz... and maybe the Mod who takes the time to verify the story address that. Not some critic.
Thinking people were having a discussion. No one "lost their shit". I am certain everyone's shit is where it is supposed to be. Maybe one day - if you lose the chip on your shoulder - you can also join the thinking people in a discussion.
If there was a thread opened to discuss the difference between hardcore and BDSM, I am sure there would also be a discussion about that too. Some opinions might even be different than yours. Gasp!
Steph wasn't exactly clear about what these nuances were... He made points that seemed to contradict themselves. Besides, according to you, only a mod's opinion matters which neither Steph, you, rejectreality or myself are. If you are going to pick and choose whose opinion matters then at least think it through before you also contradict yourself.
Cleopatra getting fucked by a man from the future changes the past, duh... The "hang up" (another odd projected phrase by you) isn't the way a time traveller gets to the past. The issue is that a time traveller (a character that is in the story throughout, if not the main character) is a classic fantasy/sci-fi trope. Having a time traveller character in a story categorized as historic is like having a story starring a vampire categorized as office sex.
Unicorn Wrangler
Quote by RejectReality
I'm honestly not trying to be a dick. This is a feedback thread about creating a new category, and I'm just trying to articulate my opinion on it.
I don't see the need to muddy up the waters of a Historical category with Sci-Fi&Fantasy when there are already two categories for those stories.
I never thought you were. I assure you... I was just raising a point about how we have several amazing stories that could easily cross genres. I actually respected your opinions. To be honest... I think Historical will get "muddied" by other elements that some would say aren't historical. We're good. No worries.