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Does this mean that anyone who has a published story on the site is a bronze member?


If you look at your profile, you will see you have one, so yes.
Quote by amy1967


Yeah, you're wrong.


LOL. And sometime in the last 15 minutes, he deleted his account!
Quote by LittleLuce



Do you really think that she would have given me that Silver if the site was in trouble? I doubt it very much.


Do you really think Nicola put $20 or $25 in the kitty to give you the memberships? Or put the $10 per year in the kitty for the 6400 bronze memberships she gifted all the authors till the year 2034? Or rather was it a goodwill gesture as a thank you to you for stating you will support the site, as well as a goodwill gesture to all the authors who are what this site is all about?

And Thank you for following through and supporting the site.
Lets be honest, those who piss, gripe and boo-hoo, think 'nuffin' of spending ten dollars on beer or stuffing their mouths with a Big Mac. To them I say, "you cant jackoff and play free any longer." You should have thought of that some time ago. There are many here that love to write and enjoy some freedoms to express, there are also 'many' that haven't contributed a damn thing but ask, "what do you do for fun?" IT'S VERY SIMPLE...just leave, no one cares. I SURE DON'T. Try starting your own site.
Quote by Dani
It's all quite simple:

If you want to pay, pay. If you don't, don't.

If we can no longer afford to keep the site running, then we'll simply shut it down. That's our problem to deal with.

We understand that some people can't afford it. So don't buy it.
We understand that some people feel that they're entitled to what this website offers for free. So don't buy it.
We understand that there are other sites out there and you'll piss out of your left eye before you pay for any access. So don't buy it.
We understand that many of you think this is the final nail in our coffin and you wanna teach us a lesson by not buying it. So don't buy it.
We understand that there's a constitution and you have rights according to that constitution and because of that constitution, you shouldn't have to purchase a Premium subscription. So don't buy it.

We appreciate everyone's support, monetarily or otherwise. You guys keep this place going, whether you're a continued supporter or a new supporter. Genuinely, thank you. You all make this place worthwhile.

Now, anything more about tin-foil hats and the FBI inserting tracking devices in our contact lenses for purchasing a membership will be removed.

This thread is about QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE MEMBERSHIP OPTIONS. This means how it works, what it entails, what you have access to, etc.

If you want to piss and moan/spout conspiracy theories, you're free to do so elsewhere.



Someone just pointed out to me that if we collected 2 cents from all the people complaining about paying 3 cents a day, we would probably have more than enough to keep the site running.
Quote by Mysteria27
Since this is a writing/reading site maybe some of you should try to write a few stories. Get a few under your belt and maybe you will get a gifted a bronze badge.

This is a writing site with extra cool things to do. I know myself I never go into the chat rooms. I recently found the forums. My time is just spent writing and reading stories and talking to a few friends.

When I first joined I played around in the chat rooms but not in over a year. There is lots to do here and for 10.00 or 20.00 which is nominal fee. Lush stories is one of a kind. We should all help Nicola and Gav get to where they need to be. These nominal fees will help them continue to give us all a great product.

Just a thought,
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What SHE Said!!!!


Big thank you to Adele and Simply John for providing some excellent Q&A

A really big thank you to Nicola and Gav and the crew who've done some much to create a great platform for authors and some great social functions. This site has features and functions that work many many times better than anything similar I have found. $10 is completely reasonable and the grandfathered Bronze membership until 2034 made my jaw drop! It really goes to show that Nicola and her team are supporting those people who have taken the time and energy to author some stories and go through the editorial process. It's quite a bit of work for all involved. Thank you!
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Quote by simplyjohn


This question came up only 12 hours ago and its being considered .. bear with us please.


Absolutely! I'm not going anywhere, so take your time and make your decision. I'll be here smile

Thanks for running such a terrific site :)

May this be your best year yet!
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No, you're quite right, and that is my point exactly.

If you have prior knowledge of a company's deteriorating financial position, and it is apparent that the company is teetering on the edge of closure, then you would be mad to buy a service from that particular service provider.

Thank you. I could not have said it better myself.

And what's more, a company has no legal obligation to reimburse its customers' loses after closure.


The long run in on this suggests that this is actually good planning rather than a desperate grab for cash before it all goes tits up.

You're suggestion of trying to get a certain number of gold memberships to keep it free for everyone else is exactly what the site has been doing for the past two years - trouble is, if people don't have to pay, they won't and haven't. This new model WILL work because it will either decrease the load of IM traffic/video storage/chat connections, OR there will be plenty of money to pay for it. Either way the site carries on without going into slow decline and eventual failure.

Of course who this really is going to hurt is those sleazes who like to set up multiple accounts here. My heart bleeds for them, it really does.
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"Teetering on the edge of closure" is far from where we are at.

Well said OMKN. Some posters appear to have ulterior motives for posting what they have.

It is very much a case of strategic forward planning. Anyone who makes any kind of income online, knows that display advertising revenues, have been in decline for a number of years, both on mainstream sites and those of an adult nature.

Businesses need to find other income sources. That is exactly what we have done.

Thank you to all those who've posted messages of support, both publicly and privately. We've had a very good response so far overall.

Gav is looking into adding another dedicated server for our core database, which should improve reliability and speed. The hardware we have is almost maxed out. We are also looking at managed hosting, to further improve reliability.

The Premium Library is being worked on, and should be up this month.
One more question. I have been given a bronze membership (thanks btw), when I look at the "freemium" post there is a red cross behind "authors will have their stoties edited". What does that mean exactly ?
Quote by thomas61
One more question. I have been given a bronze membership (thanks btw), when I look at the "freemium" post there is a red cross behind "authors will have their stoties edited". What does that mean exactly ?


This has always been a gold member perk and remains so now with the new membership options. It basically means that the story mods will be a little more generous with their time when it comes to correcting minor mistakes in submissions.
Quote by Liz


This has always been a gold member perk and remains so now with the new membership options. It basically means that the story mods will be a little more generous with their time when it comes to correcting minor mistakes in submissions.


Ok, thanks for the clarification.
Nothing is mentioned about the "lurkers". I feel that to gain acces to Lush that you should join. Even if it is the free account.
As an owner of a small business, I certainly understand the need to offset costs and/or raise revenue. It happens in all forms of business and Lush is no different. I applaud Lush/Nic for making the hard decision to make the necessary changes. And, as we've all read... people are resistant to change.

However....

While I appreciate this forum thread that allows members to ask questions and offer praise or criticism, I have to say that I find some of the responses by mods/high ranking members/whatever to be a bit dismissive. Many people have brought up very valid questions only to be chastised or invalidated for doing so. When someone comes into my shop with a question about our service or anything, my first job is to listen to what they have to say. Occasionally, it'll be something totally off the wall. But, 9 times out of 10, it's a valid concern. I take that concern, consider it, and respond appropriately and respectfully. I don't tell them they're foolish for having that concern or feeling the way they feel. Sometimes I can fix what they need fixing, sometimes not. But, I never condescend to them that they're unworthy to have even brought it up.

Who are any of us to tell someone what is or isn't costly to their budget? If someone came into my shop for a service and was concerned about that it cost $x and I told them to eat less McDonald's so they could afford it, chances are I'd lose that customer for good. Instead of invalidating reasonable concerns, someone should hear what's being said and take note. Some people may not really be able to afford $10/year, and that's okay. But, rather than saying.. "you're griping about $10? YOU FOOL! Do you know how much it cost to run this site!?" Someone could simply say, "we're sorry that we've had to make this decision and that it affects you more than it may others. We'll miss your business, but if your financial situation changes, we hope you'll consider coming back and becoming a paid member."

Shitting on someone because they can't afford something isn't exactly a great way to garner customer loyalty.

If you're going to open a conversation about something, you must be willing to hear all the comments about the topic at hand. If you give members a chance to voice their concerns, take them seriously and respectfully. Otherwise, just make the policy change without the pretext of wanting to hear criticism of it.

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I have not yet tried to make payment to become a silver or gold member (I'm very thankful for the gifted Bronze membership) but I hope that prepaid Visas are accepted now. I'm not going to use my joint paypal account and I'm not going through the process of getting a prepaid Visa AND creating a new paypal account to make my payment. It is up to the business to accommodate the consumer, not the consumer to accommodate the business. A Visa or MasterCard that happens to be prepaid isn't really all that far outside the realm of reasonable.

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I do have a question/suggestion regarding Bronze vs Silver membership. There are two things Silver gets that Bronze does not; Surf Ad Free and Upload Videos. I'm not sure that's really enough of a difference. In the original post of this thread, Nic states, "With declining banner advertising revenues (I can't remember the last time I clicked a site ad for anything online)"

If banner ads are declining, ie.. there are less banner ads.. is there really much advantage to Silvers to pay to not get any ads? (unless by declining banner ad revenues, you mean they're paying less money for the same ads) However, if the number of banners is declining, how long until there aren't any banners at all? If premium memberships are the answer, how long before advertising is no longer required at all, thereby seriously minimizing the added cost between silver and bronze. I'm not sure what other perk could be offered, but that's one thing I'd recommend revisiting.

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I'd also recommend not diminishing the value of free members. The people who take the time to join Lush, even if it's just to take a look around and then decide to not be an active member, still hold value to the site. I would venture to guess that when advertisers were considering Lush as a place to put their ads, one of the positives of this site IS the total number of members. If whatever site is looking to drum up my hits to their site, comes to Lush and sees there are 250k members, that's a lot of eyes to see ads. Those free members, even the ones that rarely or never come to Lush anymore, but still have profiles... have contributed by way of garnering those ads. I would assume a site with 250k members would be able to charge more to advertise than a site with 100k members.


edit.... free, bronze, and silver members do not have "unlimited image uploads". What are the limitations of those limits? Are uploads to profile pages and forum limited? What are the limits? Are those limits a weekly, monthly, or lifetime limit? Let's say the limit is 50mb (or whatever), does that reset each week or month? Or once you post your 50mb, you're restricted for the lifetime of your membership until you upgrade to gold?



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Quote by simplyjohn


You are correct. As a 'Free' member you will not have access to the Premium Story Library. Apologies if I misled you.


Ok thanks....seems I won't be reading my authors stories anymore Unless I join
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Ok thanks....seems I won't be reading my authors stories anymore Unless I join


Only if the authors you follow decide they want to submit their stories to the premium library and not the main site.
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Who are any of us to tell someone what is or isn't costly to their budget? If someone came into my shop for a service and was concerned about that it cost $x and I told them to eat less McDonald's so they could afford it, chances are I'd lose that customer for good. Instead of invalidating reasonable concerns, someone should hear what's being said and take note. Some people may not really be able to afford $10/year, and that's okay. But, rather than saying.. "you're griping about $10? YOU FOOL! Do you know how much it cost to run this site!?" Someone could simply say, "we're sorry that we've had to make this decision and that it affects you more than it may others. We'll miss your business, but if your financial situation changes, we hope you'll consider coming back and becoming a paid member."

Shitting on someone because they can't afford something isn't exactly a great way to garner customer loyalty.



You sit there wasting your time with customers voicing a shit ton of concerns over a ten dollar charge at your shop? Must be some shop...

Quote by lafayettemister
I have not yet tried to make payment to become a silver or gold member (I'm very thankful for the gifted Bronze membership) but I hope that prepaid Visas are accepted now. I'm not going to use my joint paypal account and I'm not going through the process of getting a prepaid Visa AND creating a new paypal account to make my payment. It is up to the business to accommodate the consumer, not the consumer to accommodate the business. A Visa or MasterCard that happens to be prepaid isn't really all that far outside the realm of reasonable.


Maybe stop doing shit that you need to hide from someone. Just a thought.
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edit.... free, bronze, and silver members do not have "unlimited image uploads". What are the limitations of those limits? Are uploads to profile pages and forum limited? What are the limits? Are those limits a weekly, monthly, or lifetime limit? Let's say the limit is 50mb (or whatever), does that reset each week or month? Or once you post your 50mb, you're restricted for the lifetime of your membership until you upgrade to gold?


The current limit for other than gold members for pics to their image gallery (the combo of hidden and visible, as well as albums) is 50mb. that is quite a lot, particularly if you edit your pics so the size is around 500x500 give or take. that is a total limit for however long you are a member (and once past the free trial period, I assume will remain that amount for bronze and silver members).
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As an owner of a small business, I certainly understand the need to offset costs and/or raise revenue. It happens in all forms of business and Lush is no different. I applaud Lush/Nic for making the hard decision to make the necessary changes. And, as we've all read... people are resistant to change.

However....

While I appreciate this forum thread that allows members to ask questions and offer praise or criticism, I have to say that I find some of the responses by mods/high ranking members/whatever to be a bit dismissive. Many people have brought up very valid questions only to be chastised or invalidated for doing so. When someone comes into my shop with a question about our service or anything, my first job is to listen to what they have to say. Occasionally, it'll be something totally off the wall. But, 9 times out of 10, it's a valid concern. I take that concern, consider it, and respond appropriately and respectfully. I don't tell them they're foolish for having that concern or feeling the way they feel. Sometimes I can fix what they need fixing, sometimes not. But, I never condescend to them that they're unworthy to have even brought it up.

Who are any of us to tell someone what is or isn't costly to their budget? If someone came into my shop for a service and was concerned about that it cost $x and I told them to eat less McDonald's so they could afford it, chances are I'd lose that customer for good. Instead of invalidating reasonable concerns, someone should hear what's being said and take note. Some people may not really be able to afford $10/year, and that's okay. But, rather than saying.. "you're griping about $10? YOU FOOL! Do you know how much it cost to run this site!?" Someone could simply say, "we're sorry that we've had to make this decision and that it affects you more than it may others. We'll miss your business, but if your financial situation changes, we hope you'll consider coming back and becoming a paid member."

Shitting on someone because they can't afford something isn't exactly a great way to garner customer loyalty.

If you're going to open a conversation about something, you must be willing to hear all the comments about the topic at hand. If you give members a chance to voice their concerns, take them seriously and respectfully. Otherwise, just make the policy change without the pretext of wanting to hear criticism of it.

====================

I have not yet tried to make payment to become a silver or gold member (I'm very thankful for the gifted Bronze membership) but I hope that prepaid Visas are accepted now. I'm not going to use my joint paypal account and I'm not going through the process of getting a prepaid Visa AND creating a new paypal account to make my payment. It is up to the business to accommodate the consumer, not the consumer to accommodate the business. A Visa or MasterCard that happens to be prepaid isn't really all that far outside the realm of reasonable.

=====================

I do have a question/suggestion regarding Bronze vs Silver membership. There are two things Silver gets that Bronze does not; Surf Ad Free and Upload Videos. I'm not sure that's really enough of a difference. In the original post of this thread, Nic states, "With declining banner advertising revenues (I can't remember the last time I clicked a site ad for anything online)"

If banner ads are declining, ie.. there are less banner ads.. is there really much advantage to Silvers to pay to not get any ads? (unless by declining banner ad revenues, you mean they're paying less money for the same ads) However, if the number of banners is declining, how long until there aren't any banners at all? If premium memberships are the answer, how long before advertising is no longer required at all, thereby seriously minimizing the added cost between silver and bronze. I'm not sure what other perk could be offered, but that's one thing I'd recommend revisiting.

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I'd also recommend not diminishing the value of free members. The people who take the time to join Lush, even if it's just to take a look around and then decide to not be an active member, still hold value to the site. I would venture to guess that when advertisers were considering Lush as a place to put their ads, one of the positives of this site IS the total number of members. If whatever site is looking to drum up my hits to their site, comes to Lush and sees there are 250k members, that's a lot of eyes to see ads. Those free members, even the ones that rarely or never come to Lush anymore, but still have profiles... have contributed by way of garnering those ads. I would assume a site with 250k members would be able to charge more to advertise than a site with 100k members.


edit.... free, bronze, and silver members do not have "unlimited image uploads". What are the limitations of those limits? Are uploads to profile pages and forum limited? What are the limits? Are those limits a weekly, monthly, or lifetime limit? Let's say the limit is 50mb (or whatever), does that reset each week or month? Or once you post your 50mb, you're restricted for the lifetime of your membership until you upgrade to gold?


Excellent post LM..

Why not give a friend the $ and have them.buy your membership for you?

In real life
This is all really quite simple, the site must pay for itself. Even non-profit organizations require enough revenue to cover operational expenses. So Nicola has devised a very reasonably priced plan with different priced options, in order to keep Lush operational well into the future.

This is a trend you are seeing with many, now free, websites in all kinds of categories. Banner advertising is seeing a general decline in the industry as more savvy viewers now ignore them and viewers hate pop up ads, so more and more sites are going away from that. Revenue to operate must still be generated, so throughout the online world we are beginning to see new types of revenue evolve. I think the new Lushstories plan is a very attractive and viable offer and considers a wide range of budgets. There is still a basic free membership offered.
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Excellent post LM..

Why not give a friend the $ and have them.buy your membership for you?

In real life



I'm guessing the goal is for anyone in his life not to know of a paid subscription here. Hence the apprehension.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


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I'm guessing the goal is for anyone in his life not to know of a paid subscription here. Hence the apprehension.


Hmmm..you're right Dani.
Thought I was being helpful.
Just to clarify, I think the paid memberships aren't a bad thing. I'm all for it, sites need money to operate so the people enjoying the site shouldn't be surprised that eventually they'll be asked to pay for that service. My issue stems from some of the more dismissive and disrespectful replies from those in-the-know. The points I made earlier are not all about not being found out. Only one of my concerns is based on anonymity, the others I'd have concerns about anyway.

I have no apprehension about paying to become a member. I, like many many others here, do have apprehension about not being found out. Judge me on that if you wish but I'd still be a paying customer and shouldn't have to defend or explain my reasoning for how or why I join the site.



When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
I recently donated a few bucks to Wikipedia, one of the options was to donate through my Amazon account. Maybe Lush could do that?

If your partner scrutinizes your Amazon account then you have my sympathies ;)
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Just to clarify, I think the paid memberships aren't a bad thing. I'm all for it, sites need money to operate so the people enjoying the site shouldn't be surprised that eventually they'll be asked to pay for that service. My issue stems from some of the more dismissive and disrespectful replies from those in-the-know. The points I made earlier are not all about not being found out. Only one of my concerns is based on anonymity, the others I'd have concerns about anyway.

I have no apprehension about paying to become a member. I, like many many others here, do have apprehension about not being found out. Judge me on that if you wish but I'd still be a paying customer and shouldn't have to defend or explain my reasoning for how or why I join the site.



Maybe you should read Nicola's starter thread again LM. Your long post should not have been in this thread. Neither should the posts left by those complaining about the new charges and neither should the replies to those members from other members like me. This thread was started only to ask questions about the memberships. See Dani's thread a couple of pages back.

Maybe there should have been a question thread (this one) - and a whinge thread where people could vent their annoyance at the charges then at least the Owners/mods could view the two threads separately rather than having to sift through a muddy pile of poor comments that are clouding those who are replying genuinely to what the thread was intended for.
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Maybe you should read Nicola's starter thread again LM. Your long post should not have been in this thread. Neither should the posts left by those complaining about the new charges and neither should the replies to those members from other members like me. This thread was started only to ask questions about the memberships. See Dani's thread a couple of pages back.

Maybe there should have been a question thread (this one) - and a whinge thread where people could vent their annoyance at the charges then at least the Owners/mods could view the two threads separately rather than having to sift through a muddy pile of poor comments that are clouding those who are replying genuinely to what the thread was intended for.


As has been mentioned on other threads before, the replies in forum often get a mind of their own. Comments and replies meander and twist and turn and flow, much like a conversation. I did mention a few questions about the new membership options. As of now, only one of them has been addressed thanks to Adele. I would like some clarification on her reply though.

Are the image upload limits strictly on our own albums? Or does the limitation also apply to image posting in forum and/or images posted on friends' profiles?

I also questioned whether or not the two extra benefits between Silver and Bronze could be revisited. More so the Surf Ad Free if the ads are already diminishing.

If those questions aren't genuine enough, I'm sorry. I think they're relevant. Someone who is teetering between picking bronze or silver would be more likely to pay more for silver if they think they'll get more bang for their buck. I support the idea of the memberships, but many people are expressing their love of Lush after already being members. What is being lost is that new visitors to Lush aren't going to have those same loyal feelings to the place. Those new people that are coming here for the first time aren't going to see all the value that those of us who've been here a while will. They'll go down the checklist of each level and decide accordingly without the benefit of a pre-existing Lush experience to influence them.



When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Quote by lafayettemister
Are the image upload limits strictly on our own albums? Or does the limitation also apply to image posting in forum and/or images posted on friends' profiles?


Yes, these restrictions apply to only image uploads, not to posting in forums and on profiles.

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I also questioned whether or not the two extra benefits between Silver and Bronze could be revisited. More so the Surf Ad Free if the ads are already diminishing.


Can they be revisited? Certainly.

When and how remains to be seen. If you don't mind sitting tight for a while, I'll pass this along to Nicola.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall