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i will have to tell you about the wine incident one day soon...
My ex-bf (leading candidate for worst bf ever – in fact, I think he is still being used as a template for really awful bfs) was into wines. He’d been collecting vintage wines for a while when I moved into his place, had a nice wine rack set up, all that fancy stuff, and liked to show them off proudly. At the time, my tastes ran more towards the occasional beer. Not the good stuff, just the average stuff. He tried to get me cultured and really, I tried, but it all tasted like… well, wine. It was nice, but I was just as happy with a bottle of white zin off the shelf at the Safeway, or whatever.
He teased me, and sometimes, he’d get a little angry because I really wasn’t all that impressed when he broke open a bottle for a special meal. I called him a snob once or twice, a reaction to being branded an unsophisticated bimbo, and began to resent the whole wine collecting thing.
This came to a head one night when he caught me in the kitchen, drinking two buck chuck (I was fairly drunk) while pouring generous dollops of one of his prized bottles into the red sauce. He got rather upset when I explained that he should be happy, cause it was going to be the best God-damned spaghetti dinner he’d ever eat…
The point? Some people read stories here and look for artistry, cleverness, literary gems. Others just want something that will make them either wet or hard and get them off in the 10 minutes they have to spare before the spouse comes home. The former are going to look at tales like, well, let’s take Doll for examples, and revel in them, admire them, get fiercely turned on as the words slowly unfold. Someone else is going to want something that is pure smut, quick and dirty and fast – it might not be pretty, but it gets the job done. That’s what they are looking for and, if they come across something where the payback is slow, or not to their particular taste, they going to stop fairly quickly, hit that 3 button, and look for something that will get them off FAST before the wife comes knocking on the study door.
Sure, those who take a lot of time to carefully craft their stories will be discouraged by this approach – let’s face it, our ego IS tied up in what we write, no matter how much we try for it not to be – getting those 3’s, when you write what you think is THE best thing you’ve ever done, is like getting the air let out of you sails at times, especially when you see the Two Buck Chuck stories getting raved about and straight 5’s.
Really, we can change the scoring all sorts of ways, but in the end, I don’t think it matters – it’s going to make someone unhappy, and I’ve suddenly realized that, hey, getting on the top 10 for even a short while (I was, after 6 days at #1 for February, knocked completely off the list today) is pretty cool, and yeah, maybe it was someone else’s turn to feel kind of cool for a while and hey, people who, in my opinion, are the vintage wines here, have given me praise, and I think that’s what matters to me most.
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I think there is one already...it should be right next to this key on your keyboard...
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For some of us, our time here on Lush is limited. If I see a story of interest on the home page, or coming through my friends feed (from a story submission, a comment or a score) I want to be able to add this to my "Read it later" queue.
I want to be able to easily add stories to my queue and have the option for them to be emailed to me for offline reading. As soon as they are emailed, or read they are to be removed from my queue. My friends can see what I have in my queue.
Possible?
oh I would love to have that and 1-10 voting system seems very reasonable
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I often wonder why it's so common for every complaint anyone has anymore to be met with, essentially, "Fuck it! There's nothing you can do about it. Lay down and let the assholes win. Don't bother coming up with a solution. Don't let it bother you even though someone is repeatedly spoiling your fun."
I don't know if it comes across the same way to others, but that's the way that it always sounds to me.
I don't know if it comes across the same way to others, but that's the way that it always sounds to me.
The reviews are in. Here's what people are saying about FicklePickleTickle:
"BestCukeOnTheVine" - LusciousLola.
"Pickle juice rocks!" - curiousbutterfly.
"Pickles is really a jalapeño" - sw33tang3l
"Will someone make that guy sit down, my kids can't see the movie?!?" - Some guy in at the theater.
"Shouldn't he be wearing clothes if he's going to be in the wedding?" - Your mom.
"If FTP Eats A Pickle, Is That Cannibalism? " Nikki703
"FTP makes me wet. . ." - imhapless.
"Always thought he was dill but he's actually a sweet pickle." - kinkygirl.
"BestCukeOnTheVine" - LusciousLola.
"Pickle juice rocks!" - curiousbutterfly.
"Pickles is really a jalapeño" - sw33tang3l
"Will someone make that guy sit down, my kids can't see the movie?!?" - Some guy in at the theater.
"Shouldn't he be wearing clothes if he's going to be in the wedding?" - Your mom.
"If FTP Eats A Pickle, Is That Cannibalism? " Nikki703
"FTP makes me wet. . ." - imhapless.
"Always thought he was dill but he's actually a sweet pickle." - kinkygirl.
Artistic Tart
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I often wonder why it's so common for every complaint anyone has anymore to be met with, essentially, "Fuck it! There's nothing you can do about it. Lay down and let the assholes win. Don't bother coming up with a solution. Don't let it bother you even though someone is repeatedly spoiling your fun."
I don't know if it comes across the same way to others, but that's the way that it always sounds to me.
Same here. And since this issue has been brought up before, it's pretty clear that it's more a division of attitude than anything. If there's nothing that can be done, that's fine, and I suspect that's the case, unfortunately.
Anyone who emotionally invests in what they do here, and owns up to it publicly, is an easy target, so maybe that's at least one lesson to take from this. Is somebody investing too much into received votes if it really irks them to get dinged with intentionally low scores? Maybe so, but then we'd have probably picked the wrong site to not be concerned about voting, given that the whole thing is based on, and the stories judged on, quantity and value of votes. That being so, there's a pretty strong case for taking its integrity seriously, no?
This is probably my last comment on this subject. I trust those that actually turn the gears here at Lush to do what they can, and look out for the writers; they always have. But for those that fire shots back whenever the subject of votes and 3-bombing comes up: if you're going to criticize that sentiment, at least explain why you feel there's no good solution at the end of the rainbow (a la Dirty Martini) instead of just waving it off as spoiled members demanding nothing but high scores all the time. It's both the issues with voting, and the reactions to those issues, that becomes a fun-sapper for many here.
Wild at Heart
My last story I wrote was three bombed like 20 minutes after I hit the top author list. Was it annoying? Yes. Did I see that I had 8 5s then 2 3s and wonder to myself what the intention of those 3s were? Yeah I did. It was someone that didn't like me or someone that validates their existence by being on the top author list...
Do I want to be that person? Fuck no.
I actually start thinking about how sad a person like that must be. Do I say let them give me a 3. I got better shit to worry about. Less pathetic things to do.
I'm not calling anyone a baby for not just taking the 3s. Hell I do deserve a 3 if my mistakes distracted you too much or the story didn't make sense. But on the last one the timing was so obvious and just a little sad. I think whoever did it gets happier doing that than I get annoyed by it. Let them have their win nothing victory.
Do I want to be that person? Fuck no.
I actually start thinking about how sad a person like that must be. Do I say let them give me a 3. I got better shit to worry about. Less pathetic things to do.
I'm not calling anyone a baby for not just taking the 3s. Hell I do deserve a 3 if my mistakes distracted you too much or the story didn't make sense. But on the last one the timing was so obvious and just a little sad. I think whoever did it gets happier doing that than I get annoyed by it. Let them have their win nothing victory.
Moderator
It’s frustrating seeing good authors receive low scores just to take them off the top spot. It’d be different if the people giving those scores included a reason for their vote. Their feedback could turn out to be valuable to a writer who takes pride in their work.
I don’t think there’s a solution here though. Any kind of competition just brings out the worst in some people. You could extend the voting range to a ten point system but that just gives those who sabotage stories more power. If the Top Authors list was removed it would still leave the “most popular” and “most viewed” tabs in each category. Unfortunately it’s all a part of competition. The majority of people involved are good sports, but there’s a small number who aren’t. I hope none of you let those people discourage you. At least you can be happy knowing they'll never be able to manipulate the Editor’s Pick category. That's based on story quality rather than the author's popularity.
I don’t think there’s a solution here though. Any kind of competition just brings out the worst in some people. You could extend the voting range to a ten point system but that just gives those who sabotage stories more power. If the Top Authors list was removed it would still leave the “most popular” and “most viewed” tabs in each category. Unfortunately it’s all a part of competition. The majority of people involved are good sports, but there’s a small number who aren’t. I hope none of you let those people discourage you. At least you can be happy knowing they'll never be able to manipulate the Editor’s Pick category. That's based on story quality rather than the author's popularity.
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Well that's just my opinion, sorry if you don't like.
BigDaddyRich
BigDaddyRich
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Hate to go back into this voting thingy, because believe me I've heard it all before in the last two years...yes, I've been doing this before I started here on Lush...and thanks for acknowledging LadyX that I try to give a reason behind my madness...just want to add a few final thoughts...
Just to show that I have a bit of experience on the subject...I know Nic doesn't like mention of other sites, and btw Lush really is the nicest site, but here are my score tallies from the site I started on in April 2009...that site gives you the total votes...
Overall
Score:
4.232
out of 5
based on
1096 votes
130 19 64 137 746 1096
Your adjusted score is 4.369 out of 5. what is this?
I know it's not totally clear, because the graphics don't copy...but I have 130 "1" votes, 19 "2" votes, 64 "3" votes, 137 "4's" and 746 "5" votes out of 1096 total...
Here's the thing...is it clear to me that the 1 votes are simply malicious to knock me off the lists when I have more 1 votes than 2 and 3 votes combined? I think that's a fair conclusion, and I think most would agree...
Here is the thing...and I think we're all adult enough here to realize this...voting is not always an objective rational act based solely on the quality of your story...
It does not take a rocket surgeon to figure out that someone with a lot of "friends" and "fans" will tend to get more and higher votes...the opposite also holds true...
People who get involved in some "drama" on the site, whether it is in the forum or chat rooms are also targets of low votes...people use low votes as "weapons" against authors...
The worst, most deplorable act I've seen in my time on Lush happened in early 2010. At the time, the scores that someone gave a story were still visible on a members profile page, that changed shortly after this incident btw...
Another member apparently had a grudge against Bunny12 for some reason or another, and this "person" (I use that term loosely) decided to take out their anger by attacking Bunny's stories with 2 votes across the board...I noticed it because the attacker happened to be on my friends list at the time, and the votes showed up on my friend's activity screen...
I went to the attacker's profile page and used a screen capture program to record the activity...I sent a copy to Bunny and about 20 other authors I knew on the site I thought should be aware...
That "person" is long gone...Thank God...
The point is, votes are caste for a variety of reasons...the people who vote are not always paid professionals with high moral standards...
If you want a more objective rating for your stories, post on a site where you have no "friends" or forum posts...and there are sites with no voting or Top Author lists...
But, I can tell you, it's less fun...it does feel good to get up on the list...even if only for a few days...
Just to show that I have a bit of experience on the subject...I know Nic doesn't like mention of other sites, and btw Lush really is the nicest site, but here are my score tallies from the site I started on in April 2009...that site gives you the total votes...
Overall
Score:
4.232
out of 5
based on
1096 votes
130 19 64 137 746 1096
Your adjusted score is 4.369 out of 5. what is this?
I know it's not totally clear, because the graphics don't copy...but I have 130 "1" votes, 19 "2" votes, 64 "3" votes, 137 "4's" and 746 "5" votes out of 1096 total...
Here's the thing...is it clear to me that the 1 votes are simply malicious to knock me off the lists when I have more 1 votes than 2 and 3 votes combined? I think that's a fair conclusion, and I think most would agree...
Here is the thing...and I think we're all adult enough here to realize this...voting is not always an objective rational act based solely on the quality of your story...
It does not take a rocket surgeon to figure out that someone with a lot of "friends" and "fans" will tend to get more and higher votes...the opposite also holds true...
People who get involved in some "drama" on the site, whether it is in the forum or chat rooms are also targets of low votes...people use low votes as "weapons" against authors...
The worst, most deplorable act I've seen in my time on Lush happened in early 2010. At the time, the scores that someone gave a story were still visible on a members profile page, that changed shortly after this incident btw...
Another member apparently had a grudge against Bunny12 for some reason or another, and this "person" (I use that term loosely) decided to take out their anger by attacking Bunny's stories with 2 votes across the board...I noticed it because the attacker happened to be on my friends list at the time, and the votes showed up on my friend's activity screen...
I went to the attacker's profile page and used a screen capture program to record the activity...I sent a copy to Bunny and about 20 other authors I knew on the site I thought should be aware...
That "person" is long gone...Thank God...
The point is, votes are caste for a variety of reasons...the people who vote are not always paid professionals with high moral standards...
If you want a more objective rating for your stories, post on a site where you have no "friends" or forum posts...and there are sites with no voting or Top Author lists...
But, I can tell you, it's less fun...it does feel good to get up on the list...even if only for a few days...
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But for those that fire shots back whenever the subject of votes and 3-bombing comes up: if you're going to criticize that sentiment, at least explain why you feel there's no good solution at the end of the rainbow (a la Dirty Martini) instead of just waving it off as spoiled members demanding nothing but high scores all the time. It's both the issues with voting, and the reactions to those issues, that becomes a fun-sapper for many here.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This applies to society as well as physics.
No matter what voting system, no matter how many options or lack thereof, as long as there is a top authors list there will always be abuse. There is no reason to get so emotionally involved that you get upset over a little number. So someone doesn't like your name on the list, that is no reason to lose sleep.
I'm not sure why people have voted my stories up with 5's. They are not higher than average. They are not spectacular. Instead of wondering why we are getting 3's we should be wondering who in their right mind would give most of us 5's. Quite honestly I've only read a handful of stories that truly deserved a 5. The only reason I hand out 5's is because it is socially unacceptable on Lush to give out the median or average score, a three.
Forget the 3 bombers; the 5 bombers are more of a problem. Maybe we should take away justifying a score of 2 and instead have to justify a score of 5.
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It would be lovely if, there was an iPhone application for people like myself with out a computer!
It's quite hard talking in chat rooms with a 1cm screen away.
But my main problem most of all, is not being able to upload pictures, or stories by txt message from iPhone.
I have been to other dating sites, where they have this application set up , it's makes it, far more easier for the customer, and better for us to be able to use all the facilities on the site efficiently.
It's quite hard talking in chat rooms with a 1cm screen away.
But my main problem most of all, is not being able to upload pictures, or stories by txt message from iPhone.
I have been to other dating sites, where they have this application set up , it's makes it, far more easier for the customer, and better for us to be able to use all the facilities on the site efficiently.
Ok, for the voting issue - how about this for a solution:
1. Have a range of votes (1 to 5) (0 - 10) whatever
2. Each vote number has an example (possibly as a tooltip) of what would consitute a story fitting that number.
e.g 5 = One of the best examples of it's genre, 1 = One of the worst examples of it's genre etc
3. Only the middle vote can be cast without a comment (all other votes must be accompanied by a comment)
4. The comments must be valid (i.e. not just gibberish) and repeat offenders can have their right to vote revoked.
This way, authors get their much sought-after constructive (hopefully) feedback and we normalise scores again with only the very best getting the 5s
1. Have a range of votes (1 to 5) (0 - 10) whatever
2. Each vote number has an example (possibly as a tooltip) of what would consitute a story fitting that number.
e.g 5 = One of the best examples of it's genre, 1 = One of the worst examples of it's genre etc
3. Only the middle vote can be cast without a comment (all other votes must be accompanied by a comment)
4. The comments must be valid (i.e. not just gibberish) and repeat offenders can have their right to vote revoked.
This way, authors get their much sought-after constructive (hopefully) feedback and we normalise scores again with only the very best getting the 5s
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Dude, we get it, you want video chat. From the responses the last times you have asked, I don't think you are getting it. MSN, , , and all have programs which allow you to do that. If someone won't give you their contact info for one of those, chances are they won't video chat with you here either.
Matriarch
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Dude, we get it, you want video chat. From the responses the last times you have asked, I don't think you are getting it. MSN, , , and all have programs which allow you to do that. If someone won't give you their contact info for one of those, chances are they won't video chat with you here either.
The voting system isn't going to be changed, we've been through this a hundred times, and this is the solution the majority are happy with.
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Hey...just looking at the new "Popular Tags" list on the right of the home page...
Seems to me that they are all just categories listed on the left, at least as they stand at this moment...isn't it a bit of a redundancy?
One merely has to look over to the left side of the page...
Seems to me that they are all just categories listed on the left, at least as they stand at this moment...isn't it a bit of a redundancy?
One merely has to look over to the left side of the page...
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Also, " " is shown prominently as one of the most popular searches. Given that it's prohibited content, maybe its not such a swell idea to show it as a popular search.
Matriarch
The searches and tags are in beta testing. Those boxes have now been removed as the live testing pointed out a few issues. It will be live in April.
There will be a word exclusion list built into both the tags and top searches.
There will be randomness built in to prevent the same words appearing day in day out.
The top searches and tags will have their own full pages, with filtering based on chosen categories or some other means.
There will be a word exclusion list built into both the tags and top searches.
There will be randomness built in to prevent the same words appearing day in day out.
The top searches and tags will have their own full pages, with filtering based on chosen categories or some other means.
Seems to be a bit of a couple glitches when searching for various stories. As a test do the following.
Select the category of Lesbian and you'll see there are 37 pages of stories under that category.
So you'd think you'd get the same or more with a search based on if it had a category or tag of Lesbian. You don't. You only get 12 pages of stories. Further, if you click next you are taken to a blank results page.
Maybe all of this was already known, but I figured I'd point it out just in case.
Select the category of Lesbian and you'll see there are 37 pages of stories under that category.
So you'd think you'd get the same or more with a search based on if it had a category or tag of Lesbian. You don't. You only get 12 pages of stories. Further, if you click next you are taken to a blank results page.
Maybe all of this was already known, but I figured I'd point it out just in case.
Matriarch
Thanks Katland, we're working on a few things with regards to our search.
Would not a search and a tag provide different stories? Let's say that lesbian stories are written and the author does not put a lesbian tag on it. A search would pull it up because it contains lesbian but a tag would not as there is no lesbian tag on the story. Or a lesbian tag is put on a story that contains no lesbianism. It would not be pulled up in a search but display itself under a lesbian tag. Or do I have it wrong?
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Would not a search and a tag provide different stories? Let's say that lesbian stories are written and the author does not put a lesbian tag on it. A search would pull it up because it contains lesbian but a tag would not as there is no lesbian tag on the story. Or a lesbian tag is put on a story that contains no lesbianism. It would not be pulled up in a search but display itself under a lesbian tag. Or do I have it wrong?
A story search is based on many factors - tags, title and content.
It is different from a tag search (in the works), which is purely looking at tags.
Her Royal Spriteness
Can we have an national Moderator/staff/owner appreciation day, where we, for one single day, don't cause anyone any problems, bitch about things, make ridiculous demands, and simply shower them all with love?
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
Purveyor of Poetry & Porn
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Can we have an national Moderator/staff/owner appreciation day, where we, for one single day, don't cause anyone any problems, bitch about things, make ridiculous demands, and simply shower them all with love?
We'd have to do that for a whole day???
I don't think so...
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Her Royal Spriteness
Quote by DirtyMartiniQuote by sprite
Can we have an national Moderator/staff/owner appreciation day, where we, for one single day, don't cause anyone any problems, bitch about things, make ridiculous demands, and simply shower them all with love?
We'd have to do that for a whole day???
I don't think so...
don't blame ME if you stories suddenly start disappearing and you randomly get booted in the middle of hot cyber sessions, Alan - you've only yourself to blame
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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I know the voting system has been talked about to death lately...but, I was thinking that maybe the requirement for a comment when someone gives a low score just isn't a strong enough deterrent...
I was thinking that maybe in addition there should be some sort of subtle prompt...
Something like this for instance...
What do you guys think???
I was thinking that maybe in addition there should be some sort of subtle prompt...
Something like this for instance...
What do you guys think???
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Her Royal Spriteness
Quote by DirtyMartini
I know the voting system has been talked about to death lately...but, I was thinking that maybe the requirement for a comment when someone gives a low score just isn't a strong enough deterrent...
I was thinking that maybe in addition there should be some sort of subtle prompt...
Something like this for instance...
What do you guys think???
i think it's a good idea - it gives him something to do besides watch me when i'm masturbating - talk about a serious mood killer!
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
Matriarch
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Can we have an national Moderator/staff/owner appreciation day, where we, for one single day, don't cause anyone any problems, bitch about things, make ridiculous demands, and simply shower them all with love?
Life just wouldn't be the same.