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Thank goodness booze is so inexpensive and easy to obtain, huh?




There are a few trains of thought on this.

I used to attempt to avoid establishing any type of loving relationship with women who needed one, two or three of these meds. I simply didn't care to invite this type of drama into my life.

I've one female friend whose favorite phrase she mutters after meeting someone who's dropped their basket is: "They make meds for that now, there's no shame in taking care of yourself." She herself, takes Wellbutrin to combat her bi-polar affliction. Interestingly, that's the active ingredient in Zyban - the smoking cessation med, and she still manages to smoke 10-15 cigarettes a day.

I've another female friend who is convinced she requires Effexor XR to survive and function normally. If she doesn't have a pill a day she totally withdraws from society to the point where she cannot function. I'm all for her getting her mind set right. But then each night, she feels a need to drink 750mil of chardonnay, to get that 'vacation feeling', to 'help' her sleep.

I don't think that's sleeping she's doing.

Anymore, I simply feel I'm fortunate in that I haven't required this type of aid. Especially when one researches how much Big Pharma is American$ for these medications. Check a Canadian online pharmacy and you get the idea.
The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.
I know many more people that have been truly fucked up by taking these pharmaceutical fixer-uppers than have been helped by them. One guy I knew was taking three or four different pills. He dumped all the bottles out into a Tupperware bowl, and would reach in and snatch out four pills, four times a day. Pot-luck medication. Ended up killing himself. Another guy I know ended up doing the "doctor-shopping" thing. He had four or five doctors, each one prescribing him a different set of pills. He has no clue what he's doing from day to day.

Life was easier back in the old days when you either killed yourself off, got someone else to kill you in self-defense, or found a fucking way to deal with the day-to-day issues of modern life.
I do agree here guys.
Just having a discussion the other day relating to this...a friend commented on how many diseases must have been created in the last twenty years so Big Pharma can sell more drugs...
I'm not even going to go into how many people I know have such issues as "bi-polar" and other things we never heard of growing up...
But, that's a whole story in itself...don't get me started...
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And what about the people who really need those medications?
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And what about the people who really need those medications?


It's not that simple, love.

The significant and overwhelming increase in the number of people diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) has been highly debated over the past several decades. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the number of people diagnosed with ADHD has increased by an average of 3% a year between 1997 and 2006. This has led to a number of speculations, including that ADHD is over-diagnosed and parents rely on a diagnosis rather than discipline.


Mental disorders in children are on the rise, according to a study of nearly 700,000 young people....

Diagnosis of hyperkinetic disorder at the age of five nearly tripled between 1992 and 1999. Tourette syndrome more than doubled between the 1990 and 1995 cohort. The study also found increases in both childhood autism and autism spectrum disorder....


Because most people who are diagnosed are also treated, it is difficult to assess whether overdiagnosis has occurred in an individual. Overdiagnosis in an individual cannot be determined during life. Overdiagnosis is only certain when an individual remains untreated, never develops symptoms of the disease and dies of something else.

Thus most of the inferences about overdiagnosis comes from the study of populations. Rapidly rising rates of testing and disease diagnosis in the setting of stable rates of the feared outcome of the disease (e.g. death) are highly suggestive of overdiagnosis. Most compelling, however, is evidence from a randomized trial of a screening test intended to detect pre-clinical disease. A persistent excess of detected disease in the tested group years after the trial is completed constitutes the best evidence that overdiagnosis has occurred.



"The number of mental disorders the general population might exhibit leaped from 180 in 1968 to more than 350 in 1994," wrote Lane, Northwestern's Herman and Beulah Pearce Miller Research Professor.

Lane doubts the significance, preciseness and necessity of all psychiatry
revolution. By naming shyness and other human personality traits as biological mental conditions allowed to an eager pharmaceutical industry to come up with a pill for every so-called chemical imbalance or biological behavioral issue.



Certainly, there are real people, with real problems, that may benefit from aggressive drug therapy combined with regular counseling. One problem, though, is that the pharmaceutical companies spend billions in research and development coming up with new medications, then once the medication has been developed, they have to sell that medication to recoup their investment. There are far more diagnosable illnesses these days than there ever were before... but are all those illnesses real? It's up to the doctors to judge whether a person may actually benefit from drug therapy or not. The problem is, those doctors are being paid by the HMO's, who are all invested heavily in the pharmaceutical industry. In effect, the drug companies are paying the doctors to prescribe their drugs. The drug companies have one of the most militant lobbyist forces in Washington DC. The drug companies control the politicians who control the Food and Drug Administration, so they can basically wrote their own rules regarding regulation and safety. It's all about the almighty dollar, and how the corporations can make more of it...
I've always been a fan of just pulling up your boot straps and getting the fuck on with it! If it gets too bad then I break out the rum. Some benefit from these drugs but many more have problems. They change your personality FOR SURE! The scary thing is they really don't know why or exactly how they work or really effect you
Bunny12


Bunny Rabbits cute and fuzzy they want to love you but they have razor sharp teeth - don't piss them off!
Both of my parents, are in their mid 70's at this point in time. They both worked for the US Federal government, so their medical insurance is top notch, still - many years their occupational retirements, and apparently this insurance always will be 'there'.

Each has spent the last ten to fifteen years or so, enduring various joint replacement and organ assist - surgeries with remarkable successes. They each are on several meds to attempt to balance out blood pressure, minor heart palpitations, pain and swelling from those surgeries, arthritis, vision deficiencies, hearing/balance erosion...the list of diagnosed 'illnesses' is long for each parent - at this point in time.

It is remarkable to me, that both were in top shelf fitness until each retired near the age of 62-63. It also seems to me that was about the time that their doctor (who is also my doctor) began recommending that they see specialists for various afflictions which may have been real or just 'created' within my folks imaginations by suggestions from this general practitioner...and then the 'findings' from the further specialized consultations.

Seemingly they have migrated into the 'occupation' for lack of a better word, of attempting to extend their lives and fitness/comfort of their 70's and 80's and 90's (if they live that long) by continuously visiting specialists for anything which they feel might assist them. My father remains very active physically, my mother hasn't done much since the age of 59-60, except type on a keyboard. Her arthritis has destroyed her hands and fingers. At best her hands can be described as a pair of claws.

8 years ago, when my mother was 67, she lost the last of her five very-close, lifelong running buddies. So, she outlived all her friends who were in her immediate peer group. Shortly after that funeral ceremony, that summer...My mother began exhibiting quite apparent signs of depression. She'd retired from her 28 year long career, her closest friends had all passed. She was truly isolated and alone save for her spouse and a covey of grandchildren. But she had nobody (female) her age to relate to.

After finally convincing her to seek psychiatric assistance (she's of the pull yourself up with boot straps sorority), she was placed on a series of these mood elevators/balancers. Using the internet and fighting her conviction that only losers take pills, she soon began to self-medicate herself (similar to how MrNP's friend did).

Brain chemistry is still something we know little of with certainty. I watched a cheerful, strong-willed woman migrate into complete bewilderment in 6 weeks, and struggle with this for 3 years. She was taking so many medications which, in my opinion were nothing more than a toxic soup in her bloodstream and brain. She's been leveled out for the last five years, but it was touch and go for over a thousand very tense days, with her. I wondered if she'd commit suicide, for many months...urged on by the internal thoughts she was heard to utter to herself (thanks to the stew of serotonin inhibitors or generators and other brain chemistry influencing drugs in her bloodstream). She was completely fucked up, for every hour of the day and I thought we had lost her. She'd never had a drinking problem nor had she ever sought an illicit drug vacation using pills which others of her generation may have played with in the 1950s or 60s.

The ('single' mood balancer) wellbutrin she's on, helped her to quit smoking after almost sixty years of the habit. Though now, she's on a hormonal inhaler to help her lungs function as 'normally' as possible. 9 pills daily w/inhaler, one pill weekly for her. 6 pills a day for my father.

I realize this is a rambling story, but it may be similar to something in the reader's experience. If so, you are not alone. I wonder if, in our quest to extend the Quality of Life, we may not just be serving as cash cows to the corporate monster and shareholders of this truly fucked up, tentacled, BigPharma economy?
The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.
I still have a subscription to JAMA and read it with interest all the time. I find it interesting that a lot of the medicos feel the same as regular Joe's. Like they're owned by HMOs and Big Pharms.

I myself won't schedule an appointment with any doctor on a Monday because of the Pharm Reps that are there. Getting out of their BMWs and tugging their luggage behind them. It takes twice as long to see him because he has to take time to see them.

I do know that once started on Bupropion and other meds of their type it takes time and regulation to get the right chemical cocktail for each person. You have to be on top of it and your doctor so he knows what's happening in the patient. He can't know that anything is wrong if you don't tell him.

That said, I still get the feeling that we as a whole are using meds as a crutch like we never have before. It's easier than working through problems and finding solutions that might not be that easy to do/handle as popping a pill and saying the hell with it.
I find Riddlin a good example of that.
WHOA, Chef.

That's jacking with my eyes and I haven't even clicked on the Play Button.
The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.
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WHOA, Chef.

That's jacking with my eyes and I haven't even clicked on the Play Button.


Agreed......Need to get stoned & drunk and watch Pink Floyd's The Wall
Mr.NudiePants
[Certainly, there are real people, with real problems, that may benefit from aggressive drug therapy combined with regular counseling. One problem, though, is that the pharmaceutical companies spend billions in research and development coming up with new medications, then once the medication has been developed, they have to sell that medication to recoup their investment. There are far more diagnosable illnesses these days than there ever were before... but are all those illnesses real? It's up to the doctors to judge whether a person may actually benefit from drug therapy or not. The problem is, those doctors are being paid by the HMO's, who are all invested heavily in the pharmaceutical industry. In effect, the drug companies are paying the doctors to prescribe their drugs. The drug companies have one of the most militant lobbyist forces in Washington DC. The drug companies control the politicians who control the Food and Drug Administration, so they can basically wrote their own rules regarding regulation and safety. It's all about the almighty dollar, and how the corporations can make more of it... ]

I am fully aware that there are people out there who fake their diseases and disorders to get ahold of these drugs. BUt I know for a fact that the illnesses that I take medications for (which is PLENTY on this lest) are VERY real disorders. They are things that I need help with because I cannot conciously control them.

I suppose you wouldn't understand that, unless you had a disorder to deal with.

Rei
Just keep on adding to the deficit with new prescriptions. Print money on trees that are never replanted in a quantity equal to those chopped down. And when the last tree has been planted and the last crops have been harvested, and the last foods are consumed; will we realize that we cannot eat money.
We might be poisoning ourselves with our industriousness and created maladies in our populations, too?

http://elluminati.blogspot.com/2010/05/adhd-linked-to-pesticide-exposure.html

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Children exposed to higher levels of a type of pesticide found in trace amounts on commercially grown fruit and vegetables are more likely to have attention deficit hyperactivity disorder than children with less exposure, a nationwide study suggests.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=15490

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Children who live in homes with vinyl floors, which can emit chemicals called phthalates, are more likely to have autism, according to research by Swedish and U.S. scientists published Monday. The study of Swedish children is among the first to find an apparent connection between an environmental chemical and autism.
The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.
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Just keep on adding to the deficit with new prescriptions. Print money on trees that are never replanted in a quantity equal to those chopped down. And when the last tree has been planted and the last crops have been harvested, and the last foods are consumed; will we realize that we cannot eat money.


Our money isn't made out of paper.
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Our money isn't made out of paper.



You're right Chef I just saw a show about how US dollars are make on the discovery channel and they are made out of cotton!!!

Oh and don't let the term organic fool ya there are plenty of natural compounds that are far more deadly than anything that came out of a lab and using manure for fertilizer on food crops can most definately cause ecoli!
Bunny12


Bunny Rabbits cute and fuzzy they want to love you but they have razor sharp teeth - don't piss them off!
Ah screw it! As long as I've got Lush to keep me grounded I do not need any meds. Now, where's that darned corkscrew?
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I have a friend that is on antidepressants. She is generally a fun person to be around when she is in a good mood. The meds help her maintain that mood and she doesn't abuse them. She used to drink way too much and that has stopped too.

I'm sure there are people that can't handle meds and they abuse them. But I'm sure those people abuse everything. I think meds are like anything else that can be abused. Guns, cars, alcohol, secrets etc. can all be dangerous in the wrong hands and without proper training or guidance.
There is no need to blame "Big Pharma" for all these issues.

The reality is that there are a small number of people with serious 'clinical depression' that will benefit from anti-depressants. These pills are meant as short-term control only, during which a person can go to counselling, use time as a healer, and help to get on the mend.

The issue is that doctors have been dispensing anti-depressants like smarties for all kinds of random, temporary ailments and maladies (ie, I'm sad my grandpa died, I'm upset because I found out my husband is having an affair, I gained 10 lbs and can't get bikini-weather-ready, I need to stop smoking, the winter weather is depressing etc.)... For an average family doctor, its easy to write scripts for anti-depressants as a blanket cure-all for everything.

There is a huge difference between being depressed... and having "Major Clinical Depression" (which is to the point where you don't want to get out of bed in the morning, don't want to shower, can't function or go to work)... These people will benefit from these pills...

The average person will go through many periods of sadness, mourning, depression throughout our lives... there is no need to drug yourself up. Use family/friends as a support system, use time as a healer, reach out to support groups, and do the work on your own.

It's only when you are literally unable to even take these initial steps that antidepressants can be useful as a stabilizer of your emotions/mood.

So we can blame Big Pharma who creates the meds or we can blame the doctor who suggests/dispense the meds.

BUT... why not take ownership as the person that is buying/ingesting the meds. Everyone has a choice. If the doctor suggests something, you have the right to say 'no, what are my other options'. Many years ago I was going through a bout of stress/sadness and my doctor suggested antidepressants, and I said no. A few months later, I was totally fine, and healthy/happy again.

As humans we are meant to deal with certain periods of sadness in our lives (especially during periods of family death, economical issues, and marital problems). Deal with the sadness and most of us will get over it on our own... A small number won't, and those are good candidates for anti-depressants.

Did you know that an antidepressant is only 37% more efficacious than a placebo pill? That means that if you take an antidepressant, you have a 37% chance of feeling better than you would if you just ate a jellybean. Do you like those odds? I don't....
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There is no need to blame "Big Pharma" for all these issues.

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BUT... why not take ownership as the person that is buying/ingesting the meds. Everyone has a choice. If the doctor suggests something, you have the right to say 'no, what are my other options'. Many years ago I was going through a bout of stress/sadness and my doctor suggested antidepressants, and I said no. A few months later, I was totally fine, and healthy/happy again.

As humans we are meant to deal with certain periods of sadness in our lives (especially during periods of family death, economical issues, and marital problems). Deal with the sadness and most of us will get over it on our own... A small number won't, and those are good candidates for anti-depressants.

Did you know that an antidepressant is only 37% more efficacious than a placebo pill? That means that if you take an antidepressant, you have a 37% chance of feeling better than you would if you just ate a jellybean. Do you like those odds? I don't....


I tend to agree. I still stand by what I wrote earlier. Without the attraction of HUGE profits, the main research would go into drugs to cure real ills. If anti-depressants were less profitable, then you wouldn't have the pharmaceutical companies twisting the doctors' arms to always push more varieties and higher quantities onto their patients.
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I tend to agree. I still stand by what I wrote earlier. Without the attraction of HUGE profits, the main research would go into drugs to cure real ills. If anti-depressants were less profitable, then you wouldn't have the pharmaceutical companies twisting the doctors' arms to always push more varieties and higher quantities onto their patients.


Actually there are many antidepressants that have gone generic, which means they are significantly cheaper, and no pharma company is promoting them. There has always been a generic version of an antidepressant available, so if cost is an issue, then doctors have always had the option to give a patient something cheaper that works just as well.

I agree, that pharma research goes into therapies for chronic illnesses, but many of these drugs are allowing patients to live longer lives with their disease or at least better improve their quality of life.

In the end, pharma is a corporation that requires profits to survive... just like any other corporation. They are not out to altruistically cure diseases at zero benefit to them. Pharma funds most of the research and clinical trials out there. So they have a right to pick and choose where they want to invest their money.

People don't want higher taxes, but I guess the greater question is whose responsibility is it to fund research into "cures"?

In the meantime, I believe that we need to take more ownership over our own care. There is a wealth of info out there on the internet these days, and its important to educate ourselves and not just accept whatever a doctor is telling us. Go to another doctor, go to a specialist, read up on what is available to better understand the illness, and know the side effects of whatever drug you are being prescribed. That seems to make the most sense to me.