California Dreamin’

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Those San Fransisco residents learned the hard way what a real estate bubble is.

Thank you for saying nothing, again. What a useless poster this guy is.

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The failed local political experiment is the governance of San Francisco.

Local politics haven't been great for crime. They don't really have anything to do with corporations buying up housing in SF and driving up the price though. When you talk about the "state" taking control... What would you call that? lol

When the "state" takes control of the price? What is that Chryses?

Doesn't*

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The issues of crime and drugs that Governor Newsom is trying to get under control are having a real negative impact in San Francisco. Last week was the news about Hilton San Francisco Union Square and Parc 55 hotels. Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal followed up with some comparisons with other cities. It appears that while hotel traffic in other major cities has recovered, hotel traffic in San Francisco has not:

Hotel owners in New York and Los Angeles are filling nearly as many rooms this year as they did in 2019, according to hotel-data firm STR. Their revenue per available room exceeds what it was before the pandemic.

But in San Francisco, hotels are still struggling badly in both occupancy and room rates compared with before the pandemic. Revenue per available room was nearly 23% lower in April compared with the same month in 2019. . .

Now, a growing number of San Francisco hoteliers are signaling they may be ready to give up. In recent months, the owner of the city’s Huntington Hotel sold the property after facing foreclosure and the Yotel San Francisco hotel sold in a foreclosure auction. Club Quarters San Francisco, which has been in default on its loan since 2020, may also be headed to foreclosure, according to data company Trepp.

Other lodging properties in the city are also vulnerable. More than 20 additional San Francisco hotels are facing loans due in the next two years, according to data company CoStar.

Chryses, don't republicans blame democrat mayors for high crime in red state cities? Are you saying it's the Governor's fault in blue state cities?

Is this a double standard or what?

I mean... murder in red states is going wild.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

The Two-Decade Red State Murder Problem

Takeaways

• The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.

• Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020.

• Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.

• If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.

• Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

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While there are many double standards in this world (I thought you knew that), the open-air drug bazaars and the violent street crime Governor Newsom has dispatched the California national guard and Highway Patrol to eliminate were the results of local, not state, policies.

So what do you make of the high crime in red states?

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The title of this thread is California Dreamin'

lol

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I mean... murder in red states is going wild.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

The Two-Decade Red State Murder Problem

Takeaways

• The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.

• Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020.

• Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.

• If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.

• Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

Jack, don't torture Chryses with facts.

The fact that Republican states are more violent with more murders may be too much for right-wing Trumpers to take.

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What's the tipping point for the State to take control of local government?

Typically not safety reasons. Typically, it's financial reasons (the local government is in bankruptcy) or educational reasons (deemed "educational bankruptcy").

Here is Gavin Newsom completely ass-slamming Hannity on his own show about California misinformation Hannity spreads.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1669385357152878597

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CALIFORNIA’S ‘REPARATIONS TASK FORCE’ URGES COPS NOT TO ENFORCE PUBLIC URINATION LAWS

You forgot to make it bold too.

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Fixed.

Good, because California's public urination laws are crazily important.

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Fixed.

You know, you could dress like a woman in SF and no one would care.

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After Westfield Mall’s parent company said on 12-JUN-23 it would relinquish management of the downtown San Francisco shopping center, Cinemark is permanently closing its movie theater located within the mall.

Chryses, do you know which state ranks #1 when it comes to having the most shopping centers in the country?

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San Francisco continues to lose its economic base, and you talk of Californian shopping centers. Have you heard the phrase "Nero fiddled while Rome burned"?

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The answer is California, by a lot.

But anyway some context, Westfield malls are old 80's style malls that people don't go to anymore because of how many options we have in California. Like I just went to Irvine Spectrum over the weekend. A much much much better choice than any Westfield mall.

It's pathetic you consider this news... Why are hill persons so jealous of Californians?

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After Westfield Mall’s parent company said on 12-JUN-23 it would relinquish management of the downtown San Francisco shopping center, Cinemark is permanently closing its movie theater located within the mall.

Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Movie theaters have been slowly declining for years. With streaming and on demand new release rentals on your home large-screen HDTVs, people can watch movies at home. Yes, all while eating more reasonably priced popcorns, drinking cold beer. Pausing the movie to go pee, etc. Yeah, bringing up a theater closing is really a lame point.

I'm sure you were disappointed when they started making talking movies, and eventually movies in color. Weren't the black and white silent movies from back in the day for you?

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... chuckling ... With major corporations having departed from or downsized their office space in San Francisco (e.g. Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Oracle, Uber, Airbnb, Digital Reality, Salesforce, Yelp, Twitter), and the discounting of the San Francisco property market documented in this thread, that city certainly does not need the tax revenues from yet another business.

With those particular scumbag corporations leaving, it might make San Fran a more decent place to live. Of course, l,ll help any corporation find a new home when they pay me a helluva lot of cash. 🍺

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Why "scumbag"?

Why not?

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... chuckling ... I thought you might, this time, have a reason for using that epithet.

You focus on ad hominem "attacks" because it's an easy way to wiggle out of debating facts and logic.

Pathetic and embarrassing.

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After Westfield Mall’s parent company said on 12-JUN-23 it would relinquish management of the downtown San Francisco shopping center, Cinemark is permanently closing its movie theater located within the mall.

all the California hate is hilarious. want to get outraged, how about you talk about the fact that, in Flint, Michigan, the drinking water was toxic for 6+ years?

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... chuckling ... I thought you might, this time, have a reason for using that epithet.

Reason? You don't deal in reason, nor do you answer questions.

And your multi-personality 'crisis' lacks creativity.

Chuckle duckle doo!

Why or why not? Who cares?

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When I tink the questions are reasonable, I do.

When which one of you tinks?

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Tinky winky, Buz. Tinky winky.

Hard to believe this old hog was pretending to be a woman on here.

California would never vote for anyone that rapes a woman in a dressing room.

it's really just basic common sense.

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Please don’t think I have a particular animus against San Francisco. Oakland, on the other side of the bay, has also attempted suicide.

California sucks... Can you tell us how to improve using sample policies from where you are from?

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Yes, the misguided policies that may California jurisdictions have implemented have degraded life in the Golden State.

So no answer. Noted.

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California got itself into the mess it is in, and California can get itself out of it.

Perhaps.

So no answer on what policies from your state might be good to consider. Only "California makes me jealous". Noted.

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... chuckling ... Stop whining and correct your failures.

San Francisco on rampant drug use on city streets: “We need to change”

Drugs, famously, only a California problem.

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Oakland's "defund the police" decision serves as a warning to other cities.

If you're getting your info on FoxNews, you're getting a very skewed and biased view that's not based on anything other than opinion.

sincerely,

An Oaktown native,

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The guy in the piece is a convincing Oakland native. Another of Oakland's problems is that some of its natives refuse to admit they made a mistake. Their refusal to admit their policies haven't worked just makes Oakland's people suffer longer.

the population of Oakland - apx 435,000. so, one guy 'picked at random' by Fox News to interview represents all of them? and how do you know they are suffering? spend a lot of time there? friends and family there? just saying, that you're making an ill-informed statement based on a news blurb by FoxNews which was court ordered to admit that they do not actually deliver news but, in fact, deliver opinions. If you want to do some work and gather info from other sources, i might take this more seriously, but right now? sorry.