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Is This Too Realistic? New shooting game demo has people talking.

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This trailer has a lot of people talking...

Would you let your kids play this?

Does this breed the thrill to kill?

Is this kinda awesome?

Would it make a decent training tool in regards to playing out situations for cops or is reality too unpredictable and could this as a training tool backfire?

Do you play violent first person shooters?

Does this go too far?

Could it be like extreme porn that quenches a pervert's thirst or does it make them more thirsty eventually leading to them wanting to try it for real?

Are the eventual mods for this game going to be insanely racist and sexist and create little psychopaths?

Is it just like every other game, who cares?

Would a hyper realistic crayon eating game just like this encourage people to maybe have a tasty snack?

What say you?

It’ll be a great scape goat for the next round of mass shootings, that’s for sure.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


Quote by Dani

It’ll be a great scape goat for the next round of mass shootings, that’s for sure.

If it's a high bodycount, and if its like a straight up planned Columbine style one, and the shooter was a big fan of the game? What would you think? Besides the scapegoat rhetoric? Do you think it would have added to the problem? Even just 1%?

Hard pass. A person would need to lay out 2 grand for the graphics hardware to run this game at the same resolution with reflections - all drawn by a real time ray-tracing GPU - while dishing out at least 90 to 144 FPS.

https://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-GeForce-Founders-Graphics-GDDR6X/dp/B0BJFRT43X

I've been listening to hard rock n roll, metal and rap since the late 70s and enjoying rocket jumping while shooting grenades into the demonic hordes of Doom and then Quake & then DOOM again, since the early 90s.

All of that violent playtime never has instigated me to go drop 2 grand on an AR15 and air out people I mildly to greatly dislike.

Tipper Gore was full of shit in 1986, too.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1268/tipper-gore

The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

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If it's a high bodycount, and if its like a straight up planned Columbine style one, and the shooter was a big fan of the game? What would you think? Besides the scapegoat rhetoric? Do you think it would have added to the problem? Even just 1%?

I hesitate to say add in a causal way. But if someone chooses to be inspired by it, then sure.

In the same way that GTA leads to carjacking, murdering, soliciting prostitutes, etc. Or in the same way shit like FarmVille leading to growing/harvesting crops.

I think whatever leads to mass shooting is insidious, so in that vein, could something like this exacerbate it? Sure. But being an actual contributing factor? I’m not convinced.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


Quote by WellMadeMale

Hard pass. A person would need to lay out 2 grand for the graphics hardware to run this game at the same resolution with reflections - all drawn by a real time ray-tracing GPU - while dishing out at least 90 to 144 FPS.

https://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-GeForce-Founders-Graphics-GDDR6X/dp/B0BJFRT43X

I've been listening to hard rock n roll, metal and rap since the late 70s and enjoying rocket jumping while shooting grenades into the demonic hordes of Doom and then Quake & then DOOM again, since the early 90s.

All of that violent playtime never has instigated me to go drop 2 grand on an AR15 and air out people I mildly to greatly dislike.

Tipper Gore was full of shit in 1986, too.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1268/tipper-gore

I get that and I agree for the most part but me and you are from a different generation, you.. the silent generation, me a millennial... Our brains are wired to draw a hard line between reality and fantasy. Kids today are sheltered, they don't even ride bikes down the street and around town like we did. Imagine what these graphics will be like by the time an 8 year old covid kid is 15. Teaching them exactly how to handle real guns that they can easily get. Doom doesn't look real, this does.

Would you, let's say, your 13 year old play this? Would you let your 13 year old play Doom? I would let them play Doom, not this though.

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I hesitate to say add in a causal way. But if someone chooses to be inspired by it, then sure.

In the same way that GTA leads to carjacking, murdering, soliciting prostitutes, etc. Or in the same way shit like FarmVille leading to growing/harvesting crops.

I think whatever leads to mass shooting is insidious, so in that vein, could something like this exacerbate it? Sure. But being an actual contributing factor? I’m not convinced.

That's why I compared it to extreme porn which is real people on video, this is getting real close to real passing people doing crazy shit and porn that is made in a snuff style is banned almost worldwide. Why? Why would almost all countries ban snuff style porn? It's not like rap, or old school shooters, this looks real, desensitizing to people who don't have media literacy. Media literacy is lacking even in the most developed countries.

A Mom's 2 cents: I wouldn't let my son play this game had it been available when he was younger. It may not contribute to more shootings, but I believe it definitely desensitizes people to them. And it gives those struggling with mental issues a powerful adrenaline rush that they may want to duplicate. Lastly, it fails to show the consequences such as grieving families of victims. I know that last part wouldn't sell many games. I'm sure this one will be very popular sad And I hate it.

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That's why I compared it to extreme porn which is real people on video, this is getting real close to real passing people doing crazy shit and porn that is made in a snuff style is banned almost worldwide. Why? Why would almost all countries ban snuff style porn? It's not like rap, or old school shooters, this looks real, desensitizing to people who don't have media literacy. Media literacy is lacking even in the most developed countries.

On this we agree. I also have opinions about how the U.S. is more accepting of violence than sex and anything therein, but I don't wanna derail this thread.

What I will say is that I don't think apart from maybe military/armed forces training (and that's a strong maybe), I don't think we need anything that gives a realistic simulation of killing people with guns...or at all.

"What is the quality of your intent?" - Thurgood Marshall


Not many teenagers are going to possess a $5000 desktop computer, properly equipped with a CPU & a GPU and a power supply, along with the expensive RAM and equally expensive computer monitor which would even remotely allow a powerful computer program (like this one mentioned) to load and seamlessly play well enough that the simulation is that much of an addictive draw.

I had not considered the actual/probable desensitivity which probably would accompany playing a game such as this for those kids who do have access to the hardware necessary to make the immersive experience workable. As you may be aware, I have no offspring around me to guide nor advise nor feed/clothe or take care of. But I've had numerous occasions to be around youth aged newborn to age 17 - and though I type and talk like a sailor - on adult websites and even out in public - when I curse, it's usually an unspoken thought - or heavily modulated depending on the audience likely to hear my voiced thoughts.

I don't/won't curse like a sailor around children. I also won't show any violent behaviour, make any verbal nor physical threats to others while in the presence of school to pre-school age kids. I won't participate in overnight booty calls with mothers who still have young children in their home. Not everyone thinks nor behaves like I do, though.

Missouri recently legalized recreational cannabis products for sale. A reasonable parent isn't going to make any trips to the dispensary to purchase flower or dabbing concentrates for their teen age children.

A reasonable parent isn't going to purchase a handgun with ammunition for their children, nor leave said equipment within easy reach and control of kids.

A reasonable parent wouldn't allow their children to access pornhub.

A reasonable parent would know almost exactly what their child or children were accessing (during their alone or friend play-time) via the internet, and set their limits accordingly.

A reasonable parent would not allow their children to glue their fingers and noses to smartphones or desktop super computers - while engaging in social media and computer games - and they certainly wouldn't allow their under 17 age children to engage in a first person shooter game - where the targets are reasonable facsimiles of human beings.

I believe that many of the aborrhent behaviors which plague our society - are taught or introduced to our children by their parents and older siblings. Sometimes that occurs willingly by parents who shouldn't be parents - and oftentimes by parents who are delegating parenting of their children to other people who really couldn't care less about impressionable younger/developing minds soaking up 99% of the stuff they see or experience - during their youth.

There's way too many parents out in our world who aren't prepared for the 24x7 responsibilities which exist when raising a child or a covey of children. It's become easier to throw the kids some coin every week and telling them to purchase whatever floats their boats - while the parent(s) are off doing their own things.

Simply identifying temptations and risks for children is only doing half the job. Advising/guiding/parenting the child(ren) and educating them as to why cocaine, or semi-automatic handguns or watching mysogynistic porn isn't good for your short nor long term health and mental well being - is taking the more time consuming steps which a lot of parents aren't even equipped to deal with over a 17 year period of time.

The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

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A reasonable parent would know almost exactly what their child or children were accessing (during their alone or friend play-time) via the internet, and set their limits accordingly.

I wonder how many parents are able to do that, especially with teenage kids. Not that many I'd guess.


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I wonder how many parents are able to do that, especially with teenage kids. Not that many I'd guess.

If you're a 35 plus year old parent of a set of 16 year twins - what does that say about you, when your child is smarter or more clever or even more industrious than their much older/more experienced adult parent figure?

If that's the actual case, then - the roles have been reversed and total fubar would exist (and does).

The same GQP demanding we move on from January 6th, 2021 is still doing audits of the November 3rd, 2020 election.

Quote by WellMadeMale

If you're a 35 plus year old parent of a set of 16 year twins - what does that say about you, when your child is smarter or more clever or even more industrious than their much older/more experienced adult parent figure?

If that's the actual case, then - the roles have been reversed and total fubar would exist (and does).

I think such is quite often the case actually. I'm sure there are many parents who are less experienced in many kinds of IT-related things than their teenage kids. And older/more experienced in life doesn't necessarily mean they're smarter than their kids either.

I agree that parents should pay more attention in what their kids are doing/interacting with, but I also understand that that is very hard for many.


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Quote by WellMadeMale

If you're a 35 plus year old parent of a set of 16 year twins - what does that say about you, when your child is smarter or more clever or even more industrious than their much older/more experienced adult parent figure?

If that's the actual case, then - the roles have been reversed and total fubar would exist (and does).

Dude, if my goblins were 10 times smarter than me I would think I did a good job. This post of yours is totally out of line, even for you.

Quote by WellMadeMale

If you're a 35 plus year old parent of a set of 16 year twins - what does that say about you, when your child is smarter or more clever or even more industrious than their much older/more experienced adult parent figure?

If that's the actual case, then - the roles have been reversed and total fubar would exist (and does).

The world is vastly different regarding technology than when I was a kid. No cell phones. Atari tennis was the video game of choice. It's common and easy for us to know less than our kids about many things. Even if you don't allow your 3rd grader a cell phone, my son had classmates with one who showed him many things beyond my control. And like Felix, most of us hope our kids are smarter than us.

Parenting is harder than you think...

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