Names and pictures of mass killers should never be released...

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You're assuming what you think is responsibly is what everybody else should think is responsibly.

So let's work that angle. What do you think is "responsibly"?

ok, so, in the past, when i laid out what i considered to be common sense laws, i was met with resistance (name calling, screaming, insults, etc) so i stopped. gonna try this again, see what happens.

how i think the gun laws in the US should read.

1) private citizens should not have access to certain guns, ie assault-style weapons, ghost guns, guns modified with kits to increase the amount of ammo they can hold, the rate of fire, etc.

2) all guns should be licensed and attached to either a singular owner, or a gun seller/store, who is responsible for that gun. if i+56+98t is sold, that license should be transferred to the new owner.

3) there needs to be a waiting period to buy a gun. no walking into a store, plunking down cash, and walking out armed. the time can be negotiated. personally, i think 2 weeks is reasonable. others may have differing opinions.

4) any one buying a gun needs to be background checked.

5) any one committing a violent crime, or a crime using a gun revokes their right to own a gun

6) first time buyers should be required to take a gun safety training course.

7) any gun owner should be required to renew their license every 4 years by repeating the safety course.

8) when not in use, guns should be kept in a safe. they should also be transported in a portable gun safe. guns should only be in an unsecured location when in use.

ok, does that seem unreasonable to anyone?

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3) there needs to be a waiting period to buy a gun. no walking into a store, plunking down cash, and walking out armed. the time can be negotiated. personally, i think 2 weeks is reasonable. others may have differing opinions.

1 lifetime.

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It’s good to read you think sprite is talking about what I’m talking about.

And ElCoco goes prone.

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Some of that's iffy, but lots of it is already in place.

what do consider "iffy" and what do you think is already in place?

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Well, I don't think the licensing and relicensing ideas have a chance. Gun ownership is a right, not a privilege, like a driver's license.

Losing the right to own and use a handgun after being convicted of a crime when using one is one of the ideas that I think is already in place.

so you think anyone and everyone should be able to own a gun without knowing even the basic safety rules of handling one?

also, you can, after 5 years, petition a court to restore your rights to possess a gun in the case of a domestic violence conviction.

so... what about my other points then? and i'd like to second Noll's query on what you believe responsible gun ownership should look like.

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Where did I say I think anyone and everyone should be able to own a gun without knowing even the basic safety rules of handling one? If you want an adult discussion, don't try to put words in other people's mouths.

I think there are other situations where a convicted felon can petition a court to restore your right to possess a gun in the case of a domestic violence conviction.

I asked you, remember?

"You're assuming what you think is responsibly is what everybody else should think is responsibly.

So let's work that angle. What do you think is "responsibly"?"

"Well, I don't think the licensing and relicensing ideas have a chance. Gun ownership is a right, not a privilege"

i am having an adult conversation. don't be such a reactionary and it will continue.

yes, there probably are other situations. That one happens to the one i can state off the top of my head, seeing that it falls under my wheelhouse/profession.

i just stated what i think is "responsibly". yes, that is what I think is responsible gun ownership. now am asking you what YOU think is responsible gun ownership.

an addendum: if you own a gun, you should never allow anyone else to use it or leave it in a place where anyone else can gain access to it. also, guns are not toys. don't use them as such. a gun should have exactly three functions. 1) self defense. 2) hunting. 3) shooting for sports ie target shooting. it should never be used as a show of force, a way to say 'look at how tough i am' or as an intimidation factor.

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If you try to put words into my mouth again, you'll forfeit future discussions with me. Your call.

People - you, me, everybody can behave responsibly and irresponsibly. What you posted was, "how i think the gun laws in the US should read." There's a world of difference between personal responsibility and laws that control society.

I'll agree with you that it's a bad idea to lend somebody else a weapon because they could shoot/kill somebody with it. I don't think the "never allow anyone else to use it" idea will work because of the 2nd amendment. If, by letting somebody know you've got a gun and are willing to use it, like the Armed Security In Schools idea is pushing, and somebody thinks twice before trying to do [whatever], then it's not out of the question.

ok, you would like it distilled then.

here you go.

1) a responsible gun owner should keep their gun locked up and inaccessible to anyone else at all times when not in use.

2) ARG (short hand for responsible gun owner) should only use their gun for it's intended uses: self defense. hunting. target/sport shooting

3) ARG should take safety classes before using their gun. they should refresh those classes every so often - 4 years is my call

4) ARG should never treat their weapon as a toy or something to show off

5) ARG should never purchase a gun that is meant to be used for something other than the above list (see #2). that includes assault style or modified weapons

6) ARG should only purchase a gun from a reputable and licensed source

7) ARG should never handle their weapon while under the influence (drink or drugs)

8) ARG should not use their weapon as an emotional reaction (anger) nor threaten any one except someone meaning to do them harm.

better?

so, i've asked you the same question twice now... i'd appreciate it if you answered in kind. thanks.

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Yes. Much better. Thanks.

I hope you won't be disappointed if I agree with you on all 8.

Qualifications

2) If letting somebody know you've got a gun, know how to use it, and are willing to use it, doing that isn't irresponsible since it might short-circuit a more serious confrontation.

4) Many gun owners like to show off their prized possession, in particular to other gun owners. Since in our BNW here, they'll all be trained on how to drive a gun, letting one handle it when it's unloaded should be acceptable.

I may dream up other differences between us about guns, and you might too, but this is a start.

2) if it's treated as a case of self-defense, than i would have no issue with that - if you really thought you were in danger of being harmed, sure.

4) no idea what a BNW but in a situation such as that, as long as you're SURE it's unloaded (plenty of cases where people thought the weapon was unloaded and it wasn't and someone ended up getting shot) then i have no real issue with it. i assume this is done in a controlled atmosphere.

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Cool.

Sorry about the undefined acronym (Brave New World).

Yep. I'm thinking about the armorer working the "Rust" production!

Or Brandon Lee on the set ofThe Crow - that comes to mind mainly because he's actually buried up here.

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Yes. Much better. Thanks.

I hope you won't be disappointed if I agree with you on all 8.

Qualifications

2) If letting somebody know you've got a gun, know how to use it, and are willing to use it, doing that isn't irresponsible since it might short-circuit a more serious confrontation.

4) Many gun owners like to show off their prized possession, in particular to other gun owners. Since in our BNW here, they'll all be trained on how to drive a gun, letting one handle it when it's unloaded should be acceptable.

I may dream up other differences between us about guns, and you might too, but this is a start.

Open-carrying a riffle into a Chipotle would be a "no" under your system?

If y'all don't mind, put forth your ideas to put a stop to mass killers, more in line with the original intent of this topic thread.