The Trevor Project: Sharing Spaces. A conversation with Trans/nonbinary youth

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KInd of drunk? as in buzzed? If he had not had made inappropriate physical contact with you, would you still have punched him if he carried on verbally? Like he woulnd't take a hint and went on about your juicy booty and stuff?

Let me share a story with you from the day post High School. My friend's parents had a friend of theirs staying with them for awhile. He was gay no secret there. We hung out with him a bit. He bought us beer and drank with us it was all cool. Anyway. He claimed to give a great massage. My buddy worked out quite a bit and and decided to give it ago one day after weight lifting or whatever. So he's lying face down on the bed gettin a massage. Then BOOM there's the reach around and under. Dude grabs my buddy's stuff. So, this guy winds up on the floor getting kicked in the ribs repeatedly. After that incident we just ignored him thru the rest of the duration of his stay. Friend never told his parents about the incident. Was quit awkward goin over there after that.

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KInd of drunk? as in buzzed? If he had not had made inappropriate physical contact with you, would you still have punched him if he carried on verbally? Like he woulnd't take a hint and went on about your juicy booty and stuff?

Let me share a story with you from the day post High School. My friend's parents had a friend of theirs staying with them for awhile. He was gay no secret there. We hung out with him a bit. He bought us beer and drank with us it was all cool. Anyway. He claimed to give a great massage. My buddy worked out quite a bit and and decided to give it ago one day after weight lifting or whatever. So he's lying face down on the bed gettin a massage. Then BOOM there's the reach around and under. Dude grabs my buddy's stuff. So, this guy winds up on the floor getting kicked in the ribs repeatedly. After that incident we just ignored him thru the rest of the duration of his stay. Friend never told his parents about the incident. Was quit awkward goin over there after that.

1)drunk or buzzed. does it matter? no matter what his state, what he did/said was inappropriate.

2) if he''d not made physical contact would i still have hit him? probably not. hard to say. this was one of my first outings after being violently sexually assaulted. the comment alone might have gotten him punched, although i like to think that i'm better than that and would have just called him out on being a douchebag. grabbing me, tho, crossed the line. fyi, the bouncer was already pretty much ready to toss him, so if he'd continued to verbally harass me he would have gotten tossed. guaranteed.

3) unwanted/unwelcome sexual contact like that is not cool no matter who is doing it. what he did was undefendable. that said, a bunch of guys standing around and kicking someone in the ribs repeatedly is excessive and would possibly be considered assault and battery in most courts of laws. depends on how badly you hurt him and if he'd pressed charges.

4) on that note, this has strayed off the subject. if you wish to continue this convo, please start a new thread and i'll be happy to contribute.

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Apologies! Sorry, thought "Rainbow" was the safest way to refer to the organization because, it is their symbol of choice and all. I used to get called a Pollock a lot especially in the 80's. But after the age of 20 it never really bothered me much. Before i reached the age of 20 i just never admitted to being Polish. I was a closet Pollock.

Allow me to clarify. Riley gains drew a lot of shade because she said she was uncomfortable changing with a trans swimmer in the women's locker room. Especially when the trans swimmer's genitalia are different from the rest of those in the locker room.. She wasn't the only one who was uncomfortable but, she's the only one to publicly speak out. Look what that got her.

1) did you getting called a "pollock" go hand in hand with you being beaten up and left for dead? happens all too often to trans people. consider it an education and stick with the safe labels - lgbtq+ is probably the best one to use. consider it a sign of respect.

2) so, accusing her of "swinging her dick around in the ladies' locker room" was entirely inaccurate and histrionics on your part. got ya. btw, how did she know that the trans swimmer's genitalia were different? is this a known fact or an assumption?

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This world would be a LOT better place to live for everyone - if everyone actually experienced what it's like to be a bullied minority - who has a major problem with everyone around them who are contributing to their hard and soft actual persecution/harassment, simply because they are different looking/acting/talking/existing - within a fearful majority population.

I received a hearty dose of that intimidation for the 1st six years of my grade school attendance. My puberty experience as well as genetics - put a stop to all that happy horseshit by the time I entered high school. The lessons of being dehumanized on a weekly basis by my own peers - never has left my memory. I remember them whenever another class reunion I won't attend, comes rolling around.

A very small % of that time as a picked on, puny goofball who wore pop-bottle thick spectacles from the 2nd grade onward involved actual physical violence. Most all of intimidation occurred with verbal abuse and threats of physical violence. The fact that I didn't have a champion near me who could or would put a stop to that bullshit - was probably more a result of the other dozen or so kids, who - like me - were nearly constantly bullied as well. Everyone was looking for a safe space and none existed on the playgrounds or in the classrooms. All of us would huddle together on playgrounds, trying not to be noticed or singled out. It fucking sucks major balls to be victimized, but unless you've experienced it from the victims point of view - chances are slim that you even understand the words and thoughts I'm typing now.

Sorry to hear you've had to endure that. That must have been tough.

Satan was the light bringer... He bucked against the Christian God's tyranny and frankly, selfishness.

I mean, in Genesis he literally urged humanity to eat from the tree of knowledge so we could get gud, gain enlightenment.

Why does humanity hate him? He's on our side.

The reason being, like, people hate this fictional character because it's all bullshit for one, but the actual reason is control, it's propaganda. Being smart and enlightened isn't cool, like, if you're a king or in the ruling class. The peasants must stay in the dark, slept, dumb.

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And it appears you’re very much into making inaccurate and irrelevant observations.

Please stick to the topic at hand. Much effort went into reviving the Think Tank. I’d hate to see it go to shit again because of the likes of you.

Thanks in advance.

I totally thought, why don't you guys just delete all the threads and leave up the think tank section, as a message... But you guys hid it before I even could suggest the absolute best solution. Like, calm down Clint Eastwood. Shootin' the forum for laughing at a horse.

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Understandable. The problem i have is you/others believe what you just posted.

But then you come at us with the existence of Aliens or Megalodon er some shit . Like that ain't stupid bullshit not even worthy of a fairytale. There's no such thing as Aliens. We are the only ones here. Alone. Start a new topic on it. I can't start one till i pay em 149 bucks.

Explain..

Also, 150 bucks now eh? I won my gold membership in a writing contest. Sucks right? Fee Speech. Talking about Fee Speech, you must be on board with Elon Musk charging to talk right? Or are you not MAGA? Why is it all of a sudden a problem when Lush does it?

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I totally thought, why don't you guys just delete all the threads and leave up the think tank section, as a message... But you guys hid it before I even could suggest the absolute best solution. Like, calm down Clint Eastwood. Shootin' the forum for laughing at a horse.

Jack, don’t make me get the spray bottle this soon after reviving the tank.

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I wouldn't say "sucks". Is what it is and it's not unreasonable. When you select create new topic the membership window drops down with the featured Platinum. Three options total, the gold seems the best option. The could add a unique perk to the platinum. Like 15 minutes of dirty chat with the moderator of your choice. That'd be special. I don't use twitter, so why are you giving me the business?

please stay on topic. That goes for you, too, Jack.

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**Content removed by moderator for being off-topic and hijacking thread.**

This is now your third time being asked to stay on topic. Going forward, let’s not make it a fourth.

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Hey fuck you!!!! you stupid fuckin cunt. You were better when you were "swippery when wet" You think i i actually care? i just come back to fuck with ya now and then and again. and again.

Go pretend you're a marine biologist. Fuckin idiot. lol the likes of you lol SAD bye bye. sweetie.

This guy's got problems.

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Hey fuck you!!!! you stupid fuckin cunt. You were better when you were "swippery when wet" You think i i actually care? i just come back to fuck with ya now and then and again. and again.

Go pretend you're a marine biologist. Fuckin idiot. lol the likes of you lol SAD bye bye. sweetie.

you just earned yourself a very very long time out - consider it permanent.

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you just earned yourself a very very long time out - consider it permanent.

How come I always miss the real-time implosions? 😢

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Sorry to hear you've had to endure that. That must have been tough.

I know it's funny to clown on wmm, iv'e done it for a decade, but really, he's one of the better ones america's got. I can't stand the motherfucker either........................ But he's one of the best we got, deal with it noll, It's a cruel world. show him at least a little respect. The world doesn't want full force American hatred directed to it which it could become if you hate too hard on the likes of wellmade male, little jeffery.

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I know it's funny to clown on wmm, iv'e done it for a decade, but really, he's one of the better ones america's got. I can't stand the motherfucker either........................ But he's one of the best we got, deal with it noll, It's a cruel world. show him at least a little respect. The world doesn't want full force American hatred directed to it which it could become if you hate too hard on the likes of wellmade male, little jeffery.

I don't care how you try to twist it, but I actually meant what I said to WMM.

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I don't care how you try to twist it, but I actually meant what I said to WMM.

My post doesn't even make sense because I was drunk.

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My post doesn't even make sense because I was drunk.

Again, please stay on topic. Thanks.

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you just earned yourself a very very long time out - consider it permanent.

He got pretty close to setting a new record as far as a new voice introducing himself in the forum, then earning a well deserved shit-canning/ IP banning.

Ya'll saved him from contemplating spending $149.99 so he could create his own culture war diversion discussions.

Kudos

Not my words. Written by Drew Bowie, but I think they are important and everyone, no matter what your feelings about anything and everything trans SHOULD read.

"We recently watched the Pixar film, "Up." I think most people know the opening montage and what a heart string puller it is. But what got me on this viewing were the events immediately after that.

Mr Frederickson, having survived Mrs Frederickson, and now living on his own in a modest home is surrounded by construction noise as a corporation now occupies all the surrounding land around him. Mr Frederickson is woken early each morning by the sound of jackhammers, bulldozers, megaphones, and all sorts of cacophony that major construction brings. All of this is done right up to the very edge of his home, and continues all day. He is never given a reprieve from this monolith of capitalism as it surrounds and penetrates every waking moment of his life.

Add to this that the project is overseen by nameless, faceless men who are waiting and watching, ready to leap upon the merest crack in Mr Frederickson's behaviour for their own exploitation to their fullest legal capabilities.

As it happens, one day Mr Frederickson does crack. The constant noise, the vague legal threats coated in a thin sheen of kindness, the ever present threat of a large, well funded group hovering, waiting for him to do something, anything, all takes its toll. And all it takes then is for one of these men outside his house to make the smallest intrusion beyond the line, and Mr Frederickson hits him with his cane.

The men in suits are delighted. Here's the break they need. The man who got hit by a feeble octogenarian plays up the alleged injury for all its worth. Finally, here is the excuse they need.

Mr Frederickson is then taken to court. Nothing that has led to this moment matters. Not the constant noise, not the eradication of his neighbourhood and support network, or the isolation that came with it. Nor the hundreds of tiny intrusions and violations that occurred that built up to that one moment where it all became too much and Mr Frederickson swung his walking stick. For this, Mr Frederickson was now in the wrong, and the full weight of punishment was upon him.

This is what it's like to be Transgender now.

We are having our support cut off. We are being socially isolated by a right wing push to brand us all as dangerous to children. We are being legislated against, attacked in the streets, and we have a concerted, organised and well funded effort to remove us from any form of public life. This is particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom, but we are also feeling the effects in Australia.

And amid all this, even among constant 24/7 online abuse and an increasingly hostile social media landscape where it's apparently acceptable to label all of us abusers and paedophiles, we must remain unfailingly polite, calm, and level headed. The moment we show any singular crack in our armour and retaliate to this constant baiting, we immediately become the aggressors. If we are even remotely rude to someone who is spamming us with for example, instructions on how to tie a noose, we are the ones who are being aggressive and "unable to have a debate." If we respond in any form to the multitude of dog whistles these fascists use against us, we're the ones who are now attacking them. And this isn't limited to just the individual. The actions of any singular Trans person is unfairly reflected on us all. It's acceptable in these bigot's eyes to abuse a Trans person in Australia, because a Trans person in America finally had enough of their neighbour's constant harassment and kicked their letterbox over.

It has gotten so insidiously ridiculous that recently, a Trans woman who ran in a London marathon and placed something like 5,159th, was made to hand back her participation medal which all entrants who completed the run received. This was a leading story for several days with no mention of the fact the woman in question had raised over £30K for charity by running. None of that mattered.

Meanwhile, we must continue living in a tiny house, where it feels like most of our neighbourhood has already moved away, surrounded by an ocean of hatred, bigotry, and eradication all backed by a well funded movement dedicated to having us removed from that house. The difference is we don't have a retirement home to go to. Forcing us from that house is going to kill us. And we exist in this state in the full knowledge that mostly, no one else even seems to care."

Drew Bowie

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