US Presidential election

Quote by Magical_felix

What's the green party going to do about it? Borrow some money from Russia to go plant a tree in Israel?

lol

Stop funding foreign wars. Apparently you can’t be arsed to read.

Quote by RowanThorn

Stop funding foreign wars. Apparently you can’t be arsed to read.

lol

I've been a Democratic voter for 40+ years. I've seen good presidents and bad presidents. This is why I'm voting for Biden:

Secure Act 2.0

Veterans Act

Infrastructure Act

Inflation Reduction Act

CHIPS and Science Act

Cap on insulin costs for millions of Americans, not just a few thousand (like Trump did)

Medicare allowed to negotiate for better pricing.

Unemployment has been less than 4% for 23 consecutive months.

Stock markets are at new all time highs.

Inflation is heading downwards and the U.S. is doing much better than other countries.

Infrastructure is being upgraded in every state.

Job growth in Biden’s first three years outperformed any previous president.

330,000 new jobs added in March 2024

270,000 new jobs added in April 2024

3.56 million jobs added during Biden’s time in office.

The economy is growing at 5.2%, a faster rate than when trump was president.

The number of uninsured Americans hit an all-time low of 7.2% in the second quarter of 2023, while the number of people who signed up for an Obamacare plan for 2024 surged to 21.3 million.

Net worth has climbed under Biden.

By any measure, Biden has been an effective President, operating without weekly chaos and trying to tear NATO apart - and Biden has earned my vote for another 4 year term.

I campaigned in 2020 for Bernie Sanders right up until it was evident that Biden was going to be selected to represent the Democrats.

I'd still like to see Sanders and Elizabeth Warren in cabinet positions where they can provide their leadership and experience best.

The Israeli situation is not one of Biden's making - tell us how you'd handle things Mr Thorn, were you large and in charge.

Vote for Trump or anyone but Biden - and you give your thumbs up to more of this fucking bullshit.

https://thesixthmovie.com/

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777

Quote by WellMadeMale

Vote for Trump or anyone but Biden - and you give your thumbs up to more of this fucking bullshit.

Vote for Biden to express your tacit approval of genocide, so long as we’re speaking in broad and overreaching terms.

Quote by RowanThorn

Vote for Biden to express your tacit approval of genocide, so long as we’re speaking in broad and overreaching terms.

Trump supports Israel, dummy.

Quote by Magical_felix

Trump supports Israel, dummy.

Yeah, I don’t support Trump. So it seems if I don’t want to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide in Palestine I need to vote for a third party. Thanks for the help.

The real purpose of the third parties in America. It's simple math.

Quote by sprite

cause that is somehow meaning full, screaming monkey?

Calling minorities "monkey" is a slur.

I think both candidates are well past their prime mentally, but Trump compounds that by being utterly ignorant and a convicted criminal to boot.

Quote by HornyBill

I am not in disagreement with you, but being a convicted criminal does not disqualify a person from running for or winning the office of president.

Which is absolutely bogus. If you can hold the highest position in this country as a convicted felon, then no job should be allowed to consider felony charges in their application/hire process.

Well, the voters of Florida passed by referendum that convicts can vote, but the right wing state government added a bunch of rules that makes it hard to tell if you can and really muddied the waters on the whole deal. After attempting to prosecute a few people who received mail that said they could vote and legitimately believed they could, many just refuse to because they are worried about those cases.

Voter suppression at its finest, business as usual in the South. Actually a really good case example of how the government suppresses the will of the people, even after they successfully pass laws by vote in the state. Read up on Amendment 4 that was passed in 2018 for more info.

Long story short, Trump probably can because he’s rich and has the connections to fast line any paperwork requirements to restore his voting rights. Also no DA in Florida is going to pursue those charges.

Speaking as someone who can't vote in your (i.e. US) election, can I please ask why on earth anybody has even expressed their intention for voting for Trump this time around?

I seriously don't understand it. We in Britain have our own far-right ***** who call themselves "Reform". They might get 10% of the vote, in a rather different system to yours. In the short to medium term, the best/worst they might do is take away votes from the other bunch of right-wing ***** and mean they will not only lose the election but possibly get pushed into third place behind the current "third" party.

Please, explain it to me, because I genuinely don't understand. I get it if you don't like Biden. But Biden is not nearly as awful as Trump has proven himself to be, not as a person, and not as a President.

So yes, please do explain it to me, because I (and I know I'm not alone in this, over here) just don't get it.

Biden will be 81, Trump will be 78...Trump acts like a demented maniac who we damn sure know - creates chaos every other day.

Biden doesn't create controversy or attempt to bend the constitution and normalcy to his own narcissistic needs.

Biden inherited:

The deadly mess of Covid19 which Trump (advocating weird cures and remedies like deworming paste for horses, disinfectants directly into the bloodstream & ultraviolet rays shot into people's orifices) claimed was a nothinburger, when in fact, Covid killed hundreds of thousands of Americans while Trump did NOTHING except babble about stupid remedies and moronic cures.

An 8 dollar increased US deficit - thanks to Trump and his egregious spending on wars (he inherited) and trillions of tax cuts for the wealthy (Trump instigated).

But all people are going to remember is - Israel bludgeoning the Gaza Strip. They won't remember Hamas killing and kidnapping over 1500 Israelis.

Vote for Trump and Trump's own criminal chaos or vote for Biden and Israeli chaos. And Ukraine chaos while Trump wanted to give 1/3rd of Ukraine to his puppet master - Putin.

People do tend to remember supporting a genocide, yes.

Trumps campaign online has been exceptional. Partnering with Dr Phil and now going on Logan Paul’s podcast he’s reaching a huge and diverse demographic. Pair that with the no-doubt paid for headlines of Biden freezing inexplicably for a full minute (among loads of others) at some conference across publications.

All this to say that Democrats consistently underestimate Trump. They think that nobody could ever be that stupid. It’s a dangerous mindset because it’s geographical and subject to the echo chambers of your friends and family and even to a large extent this forum. If you know anything about voting, you know that large ideological issues like the genocide don’t mobilise voters to swap sides, it makes them abstain from voting. The net result is the same. Voter turnout is a huge issue when problems come up like the genocide because voters don’t want to vote for that party and support it inadvertently and they don’t vote the alternative for obvious reasons.

I hope the democrats invest heavily in getting their voters out the door.

Quote by PrincessC

Trumps campaign online has been exceptional. Partnering with Dr Phil and now going on Logan Paul’s podcast he’s reaching a huge and diverse demographic. Pair that with the no-doubt paid for headlines of Biden freezing inexplicably for a full minute (among loads of others) at some conference across publications.

All this to say that Democrats consistently underestimate Trump. They think that nobody could ever be that stupid. It’s a dangerous mindset because it’s geographical and subject to the echo chambers of your friends and family and even to a large extent this forum. If you know anything about voting, you know that large ideological issues like the genocide don’t mobilise voters to swap sides, it makes them abstain from voting. The net result is the same. Voter turnout is a huge issue when problems come up like the genocide because voters don’t want to vote for that party and support it inadvertently and they don’t vote the alternative for obvious reasons.

I hope the democrats invest heavily in getting their voters out the door.

As an American who talks to Americans offline everyday, the genocide in Gaza is not a talking point at all. Even when I’ve brought up what’s going on in Israel, Americans either don’t know, don’t care, or are supportive of Israel because “terrorism is bad”. It’s not as big of a single issue as it seems online amongst people who are already aware and either searching content about it or getting it recommended to them. The reality is that it’s not in the news here or on peoples minds. Not saying that’s right or wrong but it’s not a huge single issue that will get a majority or Americans to vote for a 3rd party. If anything, far left voters will get Trump elected again, ironically. Like you say, either they just won’t vote or 3rd party vote which is the same thing really. Biden being an old bag of bones hurts him yes and some might just not vote which is great for Trump. Going to be an annoying four years at best, dangerous at worst, no matter what.

Quote by RowanThorn

People do tend to remember supporting a genocide, yes.

That's exactly what the Trump administration did - to our fellow Americans from the earliest days of Covid 19 beginning to spread until he took his last special treatment to fix him up after his own Covid health struggles. Genocide.

Quote by WellMadeMale

That's exactly what the Trump administration did - to our fellow Americans from the earliest days of Covid 19 beginning to spread until he took his last special treatment to fix him up after his own Covid health struggles. Genocide.

This Biden boner shit is weird.

It's one thing to acknowledge and accept that Biden is the shiniest turd and is the only realistic option (not a third party vote, which is a pipe dream at this point. It's deluded to believe otherwise.) unless this hellscape becomes even more so. But the outright refusal to hold him accountable and damn near nominate the guy for sainthood is fucking astounding. All the "But Trump" shit is the same thing the right is doing re: Biden.

Biden is a senile war criminal who had a hand in one of the most heinous, racist crime bills in American history, and is currently funding a genocide. He's constantly pissing on legs and calling it rain because he's aware that he can get away with it because "At least I'm not Trump." And here you are, lapping it up. What a low fucking bar.

Yikes.

I'll be on your standby for your next "I've been around for ages, and you youngins don't know like I know" rant.

Quote by Magical_felix

As an American who talks to Americans offline everyday, the genocide in Gaza is not a talking point at all. Even when I’ve brought up what’s going on in Israel, Americans either don’t know, don’t care, or are supportive of Israel because “terrorism is bad”. It’s not as big of a single issue as it seems online amongst people who are already aware and either searching content about it or getting it recommended to them. The reality is that it’s not in the news here or on peoples minds. Not saying that’s right or wrong but it’s not a huge single issue that will get a majority or Americans to vote for a 3rd party. If anything, far left voters will get Trump elected again, ironically. Like you say, either they just won’t vote or 3rd party vote which is the same thing really. Biden being an old bag of bones hurts him yes and some might just not vote which is great for Trump. Going to be an annoying four years at best, dangerous at worst, no matter what.

Biden did not have a landslide victory in 2020. He won many key states by thin margins. One of the biggest demographics he held was the youth vote. Current polling shows that the youth vote is now more divided than ever with 30% of those who voted in 2020 or first-time voters saying they will vote third party or not at all. An additional 10% are now undecided.

Key States like Georgia had an astounding 55% voter turnout in the under-30 category, something that sadly is a record in America for that state.

Another key thing to remember is youth activism was huge for the Biden campaign. College students were a workhorse for the 2020 campaign, getting new people registered to vote or spreading messages on social media helped propel him in many states. But this year we had the Biden administration actively defending police action and arrests of protestors on campuses.

Similarly, Biden's recent asylum restrictions have soured another key voting demographic in his 2020 victory, Latino voters. He's lost much of that support while Trump's base remains unmoved. Biden's asylum policy was made hoping he would win votes over from Trump, but the Trump voters are unmoving.

His repeated backing of corporations and oil companies, opening more drilling than Trump did, caving to any demand Manchin made and starting drilling in the Appalachian Mountains have soured environmentalists.

Touting the Dow numbers do nothing to sway 90% of Americans who own no stock. All they see are record profits and no foreseeable way to afford homes. Record income inequality is pushed by Biden policies just as much as Trump's did. As the lower and disappearing middle class struggle, Biden celebrates metrics that will draw no new voters to him.

The point here is that the 2020 election was not won by wooing one demographic, it was won by inches and enticing many different groups to come out and vote for Biden. He's shown over the last four years that he holds no loyalty to those who voted for him and is far more concerned with trying to peel away from the 'swing voters' that don't really exist. Appealing to the poor, the minorities, the huddled masses is how the Democrats win elections. Instead, they appeal to Super PACS, the richest Americans, and corporate lobbyists hoping to win this election with a large war chest rather than grass roots efforts.

Quote by WellMadeMale

That's exactly what the Trump administration did - to our fellow Americans from the earliest days of Covid 19 beginning to spread until he took his last special treatment to fix him up after his own Covid health struggles. Genocide.

People could make their own choices about COVID-19, a global pandemic that nobody was truly prepared for. I don't excuse it and your own country should probably have done something about it but this is not the same and in extremely poor taste.

Of course, this is exactly what Magical Felix said. Americans don't care about Genocide, why would they when they are almost always making money from it 😊

Quote by PrincessC

People could make their own choices about COVID-19, a global pandemic that nobody was truly prepared for. I don't excuse it and your own country should probably have done something about it but this is not the same and in extremely poor taste.

Of course, this is exactly what Magical Felix said. Americans don't care about Genocide, why would they when they are almost always making money from it 😊

99.99% of Americans aren’t profiting from war but half of them have been brainwashed to vote against their own interests. For decades.

I mean Trump is now saying he will get rid of income tax… which makes dumb people think they will now have 30% more money but in reality the corporations, landlords, government etc. will still find a way to get that 30% from everyone. It’s like when he said Mexico will pay for the wall. It’s just stupid.

Quote by RowanThorn

Biden did not have a landslide victory in 2020. He won many key states by thin margins. One of the biggest demographics he held was the youth vote. Current polling shows that the youth vote is now more divided than ever with 30% of those who voted in 2020 or first-time voters saying they will vote third party or not at all. An additional 10% are now undecided.

Key States like Georgia had an astounding 55% voter turnout in the under-30 category, something that sadly is a record in America for that state.

Another key thing to remember is youth activism was huge for the Biden campaign. College students were a workhorse for the 2020 campaign, getting new people registered to vote or spreading messages on social media helped propel him in many states. But this year we had the Biden administration actively defending police action and arrests of protestors on campuses.

Similarly, Biden's recent asylum restrictions have soured another key voting demographic in his 2020 victory, Latino voters. He's lost much of that support while Trump's base remains unmoved. Biden's asylum policy was made hoping he would win votes over from Trump, but the Trump voters are unmoving.

His repeated backing of corporations and oil companies, opening more drilling than Trump did, caving to any demand Manchin made and starting drilling in the Appalachian Mountains have soured environmentalists.

Touting the Dow numbers do nothing to sway 90% of Americans who own no stock. All they see are record profits and no foreseeable way to afford homes. Record income inequality is pushed by Biden policies just as much as Trump's did. As the lower and disappearing middle class struggle, Biden celebrates metrics that will draw no new voters to him.

The point here is that the 2020 election was not won by wooing one demographic, it was won by inches and enticing many different groups to come out and vote for Biden. He's shown over the last four years that he holds no loyalty to those who voted for him and is far more concerned with trying to peel away from the 'swing voters' that don't really exist. Appealing to the poor, the minorities, the huddled masses is how the Democrats win elections. Instead, they appeal to Super PACS, the richest Americans, and corporate lobbyists hoping to win this election with a large war chest rather than grass roots efforts.

You’re making a case for not voting for a 3rd party, dummy. Because Trump winning will not make any of this go away, so braindead to think that.. And a 3rd party will not win. And a third party will be bought and sold just as easily. Not sure why you keep telling me things I already know, I’m not going to be pro-trump no matter what you say.

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You’re making a case for not voting for a 3rd party, dummy. Because Trump winning will not make any of this go away. And a 3rd party will not win. And a third party will be bought and sold just as easily. Not sure why you keep telling me things I already know, I’m not going to be pro-trump no matter what you say.

I'm not talking to you, sweetness. You have no sense and live in a similar reality of unthinking black and whites as Trump supporters.

This is a public forum and you're not the only person who reads these. The point of voting third party isn't to win in this election. It's to send a message and break control from third parties. To me the slow and methodical totalitarianism of the Democrats is more dangerous than Trump. Trump inspires marches in the streets and people fighting back against oppression. Trump radicalizes the left, and that's the only way we get out of this corporate-inspired apocalypse we're marching toward now.

Quote by RowanThorn

I'm not talking to you, sweetness. You have no sense and live in a similar reality of unthinking black and whites as Trump supporters.

This is a public forum and you're not the only person who reads these. The point of voting third party isn't to win in this election. It's to send a message and break control from third parties. To me the slow and methodical totalitarianism of the Democrats is more dangerous than Trump. Trump inspires marches in the streets and people fighting back against oppression. Trump radicalizes the left, and that's the only way we get out of this corporate-inspired apocalypse we're marching toward now.

You literally quoted me and put that long response.. what in the world? Lol

It's a counter-point, baby doll, so people know what I was responding to. There were posts in between. With how you troll the forums, I would have hoped you gleaned how this works by now.

If I thought you were the only person reading responses it wouldn't be worth my time to type them.

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It's a counter-point, baby doll, so people know what I was responding to. There were posts in between. With how you troll the forums, I would have hoped you gleaned how this works by now.

If I thought you were the only person reading responses it wouldn't be worth my time to type them.

There isn’t though.. you responded to me expressing, once again, your useful idiocy for Trump. I got it.. what do you want from me? To pat you on the head and say very good Rowan! You’re not a child.. stop asking me to treat you like one.

I really don’t care what you do. I’m addressing what you said, not you. Feel free to respond (which you always do even when you have nothing to say) but don’t expect you’re calls for blind subservience to the Democrats to go without response. Now go ahead and hear your head roar if you like, I’m going to stick to the topic at hand from here on out.

Quote by RowanThorn

I really don’t care what you do. I’m addressing what you said, not you. Feel free to respond (which you always do even when you have nothing to say) but don’t expect your calls for blind subservience to the Democrats to go without response. Now go ahead and hear your head roar if you like, I’m going to stick to the topic at hand from here on out.

Lol ok

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This Biden boner shit is weird.

I'll be on your standby for your next "I've been around for ages, and you youngins don't know like I know" rant.

If that's all you gather from skimming my posts concerning Biden vs Trump, you'd be better served ignoring everything that flies off my fingers. I campaigned for Bernie Sanders in 2015-16 until he dropped out of the nomination race. I also supported Bernie in 2020, again, until the Dems shut the door on him.

We can thank Joe Biden for many political catastrophes - such as Clarence Thomas making it onto the Supreme Court - after Biden joined with Republicans to humiliate, ignore and crush Anita Hill's testimony in 1991. You should probably also thank Obama for selecting Biden as his running mate in 2008 - which further elevated the verbal gaff-machine in the Dem party.

There's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to the Israeli/Palestine relationship since 1948. I have never read any positive solutions/suggestions for how Biden/America is supposed to proceed with dealing with the nationalistic warmongers who are large and in charge of the Israeli military and law enforcement. Perhaps America shouldn't have been supporting Israel with billion$ of discounts to purchase state of the art weaponry from American manufacturing profiteers. Trump didn't end any of that during his first term in office, but neither have any US Presidents going back nearly 75 years.

I get that you would feel safer if NATO was completely disbanded and all member nations split apart and Europe was ripe for the picking by Putin's war machine. Trump and Biden are a couple of assholes, they've both made numerous bad decisions over the entirety of their lifetimes. But Biden has never attempted a coup nor acted like a dictator.

For my entire lifetime, there has been at least one major war occurring somewhere in this world. And when there hasn't been one, two or three major wars (Iran vs Iraq, Korea vs NATO, genocide on the African continent in multiple different countries, Central American wars fought by proxy America/Soviet Union, too many wars and skirmishes for me to keep track of. It appears that humans are good at procreation and at killing & maiming one another.

My Biden boner is born of not wanting to see Trump anywhere near the oval office again. But you be you, youngling.